GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 5, 2014 21:05:14 GMT -5
Is letting Moses go a good sign Josh Smith is on track? We'll see, but this is the right personnel decision either way.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 5, 2014 21:56:22 GMT -5
Well...Moses had a choice even if the coaches wanted him to stay aboard. It is possible that the coaches aren't worried about Josh AND wanted Moses to come back. But perhaps Moses wanted to move on.
Good luck to the big guy wherever he ends up and to his life beyond basketball too.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 5, 2014 22:14:37 GMT -5
Happy for Bowen return although it is what I expected.
Next year we will have Jabril, Aaron, Isaac, and LJ. That is some serious athleticism, the sort the Hoyas haven't had in a while (Mikael is a very good athlete too to be fair). While Jabril and Aaron must continue to work on perimeter shooting, I hope they keep up the work on dribbling too. This Hoya team must take another step in terms of driving to the basket. This past season wasn't a bad first step, but the team has to take that to another level.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 5, 2014 22:25:34 GMT -5
Figured he was coming back due to his body language after the the FSU game... Aaron Bowen coming back probably means an increased role... Only makes sense for a 5th year... I know some posters did not want him back... But I view this as a big positive for the roster next year and chance to make the NCAA Tourney... I'm happy to know that AB is coming back. I'd be very surprised, however, if he has an increased role (if you mean more minutes) than he played this year. If he does, the incoming class isn't at all what we're all hoping it will be or Aaron made a monster jump over the summer.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 5, 2014 22:31:37 GMT -5
You try oh...so hard Frazier to discredit me.. why?? For the record...I don't know what Moses did he went straight to the locker room... You want to check on that too?? Dude, chill out, I was just teasing. For what it's worth, one needs to have credit to be discredited.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 5, 2014 22:33:29 GMT -5
Is letting Moses go a good sign Josh Smith is on track? We'll see, but this is the right personnel decision either way. I have no clue but my gut feeling is that those are two mutually exclusive situations. Hopefully it means that someone is coming on late.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 5, 2014 23:32:22 GMT -5
III has been pretty adamant all along josh will be back next year. Not sure why there's question over that.
Glad Bowen is back next season. Need an energy hustle guy to compliment the influx of talented newbies
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 5, 2014 23:36:50 GMT -5
III has been pretty adamant all along josh will be back next year. Not sure why there's question over that. Because HT members have their own reality that trumps all else. They like to think Josh will follow the same path as Greg Whittington which therefore makes him unreliable. His one academic mistake has soured Hoya fans' expectations of him and thus they think he won't make it for an entire season.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 5, 2014 23:40:55 GMT -5
Congrats to Bowen & family on getting another year at GU! Work hard on the dribble and perimeter shooting during the off-season.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 6, 2014 2:22:00 GMT -5
The funny thing is you're being dismissive but you clearly don't know the importance on lower body health. The funny thing is you think you know me. No I don't. I just realize that you don't know what you're talking about.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 6, 2014 3:21:07 GMT -5
The funny thing is you think you know me. No I don't. I just realize that you don't know what you're talking about. Which proves that you don't know what you're talking about. Two can play this game.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 6, 2014 6:05:00 GMT -5
III has been pretty adamant all along josh will be back next year. Not sure why there's question over that. Because HT members have their own reality that trumps all else. They like to think Josh will follow the same path as Greg Whittington which therefore makes him unreliable. His one academic mistake has soured Hoya fans' expectations of him and thus they think he won't make it for an entire season. He was ineligible as soon as humanly possible after transferring. He has zero semesters at Georgetown where he fulfilled his academic requirements. That's reality. No "alternate" needed. Josh has to get serious. It's JTIII's job to say he'll be back and give him a chance to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 6:26:30 GMT -5
Giga don’t think that’s true. He enrolled in Gtown Spring Semester last year, so he would have had to fulfill his academic requirements for that semester in order to play Fall semester…..
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 6, 2014 6:35:20 GMT -5
Giga don’t think that’s true. He enrolled in Gtown Spring Semester last year, so he would have had to fulfill his academic requirements for that semester in order to play Fall semester….. Ok, if that's true, 50% of his semesters. Still no reason to just brush off his inability to stay eligible like it's clearly an outlier. I hope he's back on track but MCI was acting like he was never off track. He's ineligible! It's a real thing. If it weren't, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Apr 6, 2014 7:05:34 GMT -5
Because HT members have their own reality that trumps all else. They like to think Josh will follow the same path as Greg Whittington which therefore makes him unreliable. His one academic mistake has soured Hoya fans' expectations of him and thus they think he won't make it for an entire season. He was ineligible as soon as humanly possible after transferring. He has zero semesters at Georgetown where he fulfilled his academic requirements. That's reality. No "alternate" needed. Josh has to get serious. It's JTIII's job to say he'll be back and give him a chance to do that. WHAT? Giga, he spent two entire semesters at GU before he was sat down, right? When did you get a look at his transcript? And, no it's not III's job to say he'll be back. You make it sound like III's obligated to say things like that. I don't assume that at all. Plus, your statement that Josh has to get serious implies that he has not been. You have no idea what his academic abilities or challenges are. None. Believe it or not, being "serious" about one's academics is not the only consideration for success. We really have no idea what Josh's issue was. Play fair, bro.... Winter is coming!
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 6, 2014 8:02:52 GMT -5
Because HT members have their own reality that trumps all else. They like to think Josh will follow the same path as Greg Whittington which therefore makes him unreliable. His one academic mistake has soured Hoya fans' expectations of him and thus they think he won't make it for an entire season. He was ineligible as soon as humanly possible after transferring. That's not true. He was in school for the entire second semester of Otto's final season and didn't have any issue. It wasn't until the end of his second semester in GU that something happened. And we have no idea exactly what that was. Edited to say I just noticed others beat me to the punch on this point. Unfortunately I don't think there is a delete option with this new board.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 6, 2014 8:07:08 GMT -5
Giga don’t think that’s true. He enrolled in Gtown Spring Semester last year, so he would have had to fulfill his academic requirements for that semester in order to play Fall semester….. Ok, if that's true, 50% of his semesters. Still no reason to just brush off his inability to stay eligible like it's clearly an outlier. I hope he's back on track but MCI was acting like he was never off track. He's ineligible! It's a real thing. If it weren't, we wouldn't be having this discussion. You and a few others on this board acted as if Josh personally insulted you. Let it go already. Countless players have been declared ineligible for one reason or another only to come back and get back on track. There is nothing in Josh's history that I'm aware of that suggests he was a problematic student. Yeah maybe he is not the most discipline in regards to keeping his weight down, but that doesn't mean he is lousy on the academic front.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 6, 2014 8:17:45 GMT -5
He was ineligible as soon as humanly possible after transferring. That's not true. He was in school for the entire second semester of Otto's final season and didn't have any issue. It wasn't until the end of his second semester in GU that something happened. And we have no idea exactly what that was. Already addressed the fact checking issue. I retract that specific statement. Doesn't change the fact that he is ineligible. That is a fact and the only relevant one. And "not knowing what that was" does not mean "it was nothing." Everyone else on the team remained eligible. Was that "dumb luck"? Probably they had something to do with themselves remaining eligible. Just a hunch. And yes it is relevant that JTIII said Greg would return and he didn't. Not in the way that the two situations are the same but in the way that JTIII stating someone will return does not make it so. Why is this so weird to be concerned about an ineligible player getting eligible? Is it really that crazy to think Josh has to do something to get eligible and that thing requires more diligence of some sort than what led to his ineligibility? Seems pretty basic.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 6, 2014 11:03:24 GMT -5
I hpe Josh returns, but we all thought Whit would return.
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Post by Talos on Apr 6, 2014 11:14:09 GMT -5
With Moses not coming back, JTIII really needs another big for next year. Whether it's a 5th year senior, transfer, or freshman recruit, I'm not comfortable with only Smith, Hayes, and Hopkins as our bigs. All have huge question marks. For Smith, it's not just the academic suspension; it's the fact that he's had 4 years and still hasn't gotten himself into decent shape. I think it's understandable that fans would question his reliability as well as the wisdom of counting on him for next year. Even if he is academically eligible for the whole year, what are the chances he loses weight and gets in better shape? As for Hayes, I think a lot of us were encouraged when he got some minutes late in the season and didn't look totally overmatched. However, I was concerned by his hands...he missed a lot of passes and fumbled some rebounds. Maybe it was nerves or lack of PT, or maybe it's a legit concern with him and the reason he couldn't even get minutes over Moses. As for Hopkins, he's going into his 4th year and I think we know what we'll get with him.
So, we're returning 2 centers and 1 PF and we all know foul trouble is more of an issue for bigs than other positions. If JTIII doesn't grab at least one more big for next year, this is going to be a problem. Many programs have to deal with injuries, suspensions, transfers during the year, so it makes absolutely no sense to start the year already shorthanded.
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