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Post by rockhoya on Jun 13, 2016 7:57:22 GMT -5
Just a continuation of our poor recruiting efforts. Given our coaching deficiencies, we need to recruit at a top 10 level to have the talent to overcome it. Instead, we can't even land fringe top-100 kids in our backyard. I never understand this comment... Other than the obvious that we didn't land the player what specifically do you feel the staff did wrong here in their pursuit of Lykes? The kid just chose a team that plays an up tempo style of offense. Hovered in and out of the top 10 last year. Went to the sweet sixteen. Has successfully used in recent years 2 "smallish" point guards - Shane Larkin and Angel Rodriguez, putting 1 in the NBA. Seems like a perfect fit for the kid rather than a lack of effort or poor job by the staff here. It's because he's legitimately trolling
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Post by Elvado on Jun 13, 2016 7:58:22 GMT -5
Just happy he did not go to Nova. It is one thing to lose local recruits. It is quite another to have them stick it to you 2-3 times per year for the duration of their careers.
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 13, 2016 8:16:17 GMT -5
We all knew that we didn't fit his style of play from the get go. Further, we likely added a 2 year starter at his position in Mullmore during his recruitment. Miami was on Lykes as early as anyone, offerred him before we did, and the kid and school seem well aligned. It's all good.
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Post by 95hoya on Jun 13, 2016 8:41:48 GMT -5
It's been a while since we landed a top recruit in our backyard. That must change.
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Post by RBHoya on Jun 13, 2016 8:54:30 GMT -5
Yea, disappointing but not shocking. A lot of the teams in the mix are "hotter" as programs than we are at the moment, having conference affiliation that's as good or better than ours but having more recent post-season success. And several of those teams had reputations for guard-oriented play as well. Other than geographic proximity if he wanted to stay near his family, it's hard to see what our competitive advantage might be in this recruitment.
I think we all wanted to believe that we could just land one elite lead guard and he'd totally change our style of play to something uptempo and exciting. Like going from a frog to a prince or something. But in reality given the current state of our program, I think the opposite is true--we're going to have show that we can play a more uptempo style successfully and put out some high profile guards before the elite guard recruits really take us seriously. We've been in the mix with several over the last few years but it has rarely broken our way, and I think that's likely to continue until some things change on the court. Best thing that could happen for us would be Mulmore and/or Mosley bringing some athleticism to the lead guard position and taking the team deep into the tournament. If we can do that, I think we'll become more serious contenders for the Top 100-type point guards in the years to come.
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Post by beenaround on Jun 13, 2016 9:10:31 GMT -5
Have the Hoyas brought in a Top 100 PG since Markel? DSR was the 2 guard at Oak Hill. If not, that is quite awhile.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Jun 13, 2016 10:50:09 GMT -5
I don't share the "at least it wasn't 'Nova" feelings. Perhaps it is sacrilege to wish well upon our northern neighbors, but at this point, they are the face of the Big East. As a conference, and particularly until we are able to rebound as a program, we need Villanova to be an elite program imho.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 11:14:11 GMT -5
I don't share the "at least it wasn't 'Nova" feelings. Perhaps it is sacrilege to wish well upon our northern neighbors, but at this point, they are the face of the Big East. As a conference, and particularly until we are able to rebound as a program, we need Villanova to be an elite program imho. The BE as a conference just won a chip.. Our status is pretty solid at this point imo.. Honestly part of being a fan is hating your rivals, that's part of what makes it fun right?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 13, 2016 11:42:56 GMT -5
Man, would be nice to get a recruiting win here with a high schooler at some point. This incoming class of a walk on frosh, another frosh, a JUCO junior and a grad senior doesn't feel great.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Jun 13, 2016 11:49:39 GMT -5
I don't share the "at least it wasn't 'Nova" feelings. Perhaps it is sacrilege to wish well upon our northern neighbors, but at this point, they are the face of the Big East. As a conference, and particularly until we are able to rebound as a program, we need Villanova to be an elite program imho. The BE as a conference just won a chip.. Our status is pretty solid at this point imo.. Honestly part of being a fan is hating your rivals, that's part of what makes it fun right? Lol - I hear you YaBoy. In between the lines, after tip-off, I have no love for Nova. But just taking a 10,000 foot view...BE and Gtown does need a healthy Nova, particularly as we rebuild.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 13, 2016 12:24:11 GMT -5
BE and Gtown does need a healthy Nova, particularly as we rebuild. The Big East may be seen as rebuilding, but Georgetown is not. Unfortunately, the Hoyas are acquiring the reputation of a team like Temple: always competitive but not altogether threatening. Remember, not every major recruit wants to stay close to home. If they did, Patrick Ewing would have been a BC All-American and Allen Iverson would have made Old Dominion a national power.
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Post by dundermifflinhoya on Jun 13, 2016 12:25:34 GMT -5
We can talk about our failure to land local talent/elite guards, but sometimes the criteria of the student athlete is outside our hands. Chris wanted to major in engineering, something he could not do at Georgetown. I respect that he matched his athletic and academic pursuits.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 13, 2016 12:32:38 GMT -5
I would have liked to bring in Lykes, but I don't think it's as big a hit as others. I think the main attraction people saw was that his style was so much different from what we have been doing on the court, that there was hope that Lykes' presence might change our team and offense. That's fair, but if the staff really wants to go in that direction, there are others who can do similar things. It's not like Lykes is a once in a generation talent (if I end up being wrong about that I am happy to admit it) - as of now, he seems to be a high quality college guard, but there are many out there. If we can get someone else who is similar (and taller than 5'7) it will take some of the sting off.
No doubt, our recruiting efforts for the class of 2017 are not stellar. But, we just got two new assistants, and it's probably unreasonable to expect they'll have big impacts on the 2017 class so late in the game (though it'd be great if they did). I really think the class of 2018 is way more important than the 2017 class, because it will be larger and necessarily require that we pull in some top talent.
Keep in mind the Copeland/White/Peak class had 3 guys in the top 35 on ESPN's rankings (all ranked higher than Lykes in his class). That is a few years ago, but let's not pretend like we never get any high quality recruits, either. We do.
As far as the extraneous factors, clearly our horrible season and NCAA failures have been a drag on recruiting. The good news is that all it takes is one deep NCAA tournament run to turn that around. If we make the Sweet Sixteen or beyond in March, then suddenly things begin to look a lot better.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 13, 2016 13:08:58 GMT -5
2003, I feel like we are always pointing to the "next" recruiting class though. Our rising junior and sophomore class are really strong and even though we will likely lose pieces, they should carry us for two more years. The pipeline needs to be more balanced though. That is how Nova has gotten to where they are by bringing in steady groups that fit their profile.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 13:24:56 GMT -5
2003, I feel like we are always pointing to the "next" recruiting class though. Our rising junior and sophomore class are really strong and even though we will likely lose pieces, they should carry us for two more years. The pipeline needs to be more balanced though. That is how Nova has gotten to where they are by bringing in steady groups that fit their profile. Why do we need to point to an Next recruiting class because Lykes commiteed to another school in June... There's prob less than 5% of kids commited in his class.. We can and need (as you alluded to above) to focus on landing some quality this year...
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Post by dense on Jun 13, 2016 13:44:48 GMT -5
I also think he just wanted to not play near home. Some people do not want to go to college near home.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 13, 2016 13:48:19 GMT -5
We don't have to yaboy, but I just get that sinking feeling. Lykes is gone and JJ Jr. seems to be trending away from us. Guys like Rafus, Simms, Watson don't seem likely. I don't follow this stuff and am admittedly uninformed but I feel like I have heard this in prior years. It is always about the next class. I just hope this 17 class can get three solid recruits that fill needs and are focused on the three to four year players we need for continuity.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 13, 2016 13:55:20 GMT -5
Just a continuation of our poor recruiting efforts. Given our coaching deficiencies, we need to recruit at a top 10 level to have the talent to overcome it. Instead, we can't even land fringe top-100 kids in our backyard. I never understand this comment... Other than the obvious that we didn't land the player what specifically do you feel the staff did wrong here in their pursuit of Lykes? The kid just chose a team that plays an up tempo style of offense. Hovered in and out of the top 10 last year. Went to the sweet sixteen. Has successfully used in recent years 2 "smallish" point guards - Shane Larkin and Angel Rodriguez, putting 1 in the NBA. Seems like a perfect fit for the kid rather than a lack of effort or poor job by the staff here. Beantown, consider the source.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 13, 2016 14:01:23 GMT -5
The good news is that all it takes is one deep NCAA tournament run to turn that around. If we make the Sweet Sixteen or beyond in March, then suddenly things begin to look a lot better. So going far in the tournament is more important for recruiting?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 15:19:07 GMT -5
We don't have to yaboy, but I just get that sinking feeling. Lykes is gone and JJ Jr. seems to be trending away from us. Guys like Rafus, Simms, Watson don't seem likely. I don't follow this stuff and am admittedly uninformed but I feel like I have heard this in prior years. It is always about the next class. I just hope this 17 class can get three solid recruits that fill needs and are focused on the three to four year players we need for continuity. I feel you but most times you will lose on your top targets. 5 schools at minimum prioritized Lykes so 4 out of the 5 missed on their top target. One of those being the most recent National Champion. So imo these things happen. The problem is identifying those backup options. Guaranteed as wonderful as Lykes is there will be some kids in the 75-150 range that will outperform him in College. It happens every year it will continue to happen. Look for kids in that area that have a strong IQ, love to wk, and get aggressive. If your conscience of fit it really doesn't matter their ranking tbh. As good as Wallace was for us he was prob a LM/MM recruit in talent but he brought a HM basketball IQ, work ethic and leadership skills. I'd love to have a couple of those big kids, not really a fan of Rafus currently but till watch more, but being able to recruit quality at positions 3-5 doesn't really seem to be the problem in my eyes. I always figure they can add a talented kid at those spots even if they miss on some guys. Heck we have about 9 right now. The problem is quality guards and more than one..
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