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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 24, 2014 20:58:05 GMT -5
haha, i mean, these things are true, but you gotta admit that's exactly the type of post big dog was referencing Big dog is right that sometimes people are overly confident about our chances against teams like this, but I don't think there is a lot of that happening this year. It's just factually true that Marquette is not anywhere near as good as Creighton or Nova. This was exactly the point I was making. Big Dog may feel differently. I don't.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 24, 2014 21:22:25 GMT -5
I don't think people realize that winning this game would be a very big surprise and a huge deal. The Hoyas have won exactly ONCE at the Bradley Center since Marquette joined the Big East in 2006--that was with Roy Hibbert and Jonathan Wallace on the roster. That win was so long ago, that the Hoyas have actually won two--that's right TWO--NCAA tournament games since then. While the games have generally been competitive, including last season when Whitt missed the key FT at the end--the home cooking has always been the difference. Personally I think this is the most difficult to win of the remaining 3 games, and I will be very, very surprised if we pull it out. Every year I post this and every year people come on here and tell me how this year's Marquette team is down and it won't be as hard to win as it has been in the past, and every year we lose anyway, so spare me that one. This is a very, very tall order--one more reminder how unfortunate it is that the Verizon side of the matchup was played during the wilderness period with no Jabril. Could not agree more. Computer numbers have all sorts of limitations, but KenPom, BPI and Sagarin all say Marquette is roughly equal or actually better than us. And their home court has killed us for years, it's one away arena we haven't been able to win at in a long time. At best, we're even going in. These last 3 will all be extremely challenging games - the good news we really only need 2 to stay on the bubble heading to the BE Tournament. That will give us another marquee win on the resume and an RPI in the mid to upper 40s, with a very strong SOS.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 24, 2014 22:41:34 GMT -5
just win, losers don't get to dance
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 25, 2014 15:54:32 GMT -5
The difference is we've never found it particularl hard to win at Nova (I'll just pretend last year didn't happen), and the Creighton game is a home game. The relative impact of the home court advantages makes a huge difference here. None of the games is easy. We shouldn't be favored in any of them.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 25, 2014 15:58:22 GMT -5
Noone said winning at Marquette would be easy. Still for all this talk about how difficult it has been for the Hoyas to win on their turf can someone tell me how many times the Hoyas have actually played at Marquette since that GU win during Hibbert and Wallace's senior seasons? Two times? Three?
Don't forget that it wasn't as if the Hoyas were going to Milwaukee every year, thus the opportunities to beat Marquette at Marquette have been limited. And during that same time Marquette has had just as much difficuty beating Gtown in DC. The Golden Warriors managed to do so this season a few weeks ago. Now lets go and retunr the favor.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 25, 2014 16:04:07 GMT -5
The Hoyas have played there every year since MU joined the conference except for 2007 and 2010 I believe. So they've lost something like four straight there, and five times in six tries I believe.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 25, 2014 16:31:11 GMT -5
The Hoyas have played there every year since MU joined the conference except for 2007 and 2010 I believe. So they've lost something like four straight there, and five times in six tries I believe. Well we all know that this is an atypical Hoya squad - so the past means nothing!
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 25, 2014 16:36:12 GMT -5
Actually, the Marquette game is at the Verizon Center. The front page never lies. Next Game Marquette (16-11) Feb. 27, 9:00 pm EST Verizon Center TV: Fox Sports 1 GU Radio: WTEM-980 MU Radio: WAUK
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 25, 2014 16:40:25 GMT -5
Noone said winning at Marquette would be easy. Still for all this talk about how difficult it has been for the Hoyas to win on their turf can someone tell me how many times the Hoyas have actually played at Marquette since that GU win during Hibbert and Wallace's senior seasons? Two times? Three? Don't forget that it wasn't as if the Hoyas were going to Milwaukee every year, thus the opportunities to beat Marquette at Marquette have been limited. And during that same time Marquette has had just as much difficuty beating Gtown in DC. The Golden Warriors managed to do so this season a few weeks ago. Now lets go and retunr the favor. I wouldn't call playing there every year but 1 since 2008 limited opportunities. As you point out, we've usually beaten them at Verizon (MU has won twice in DC--2009 and this season), and we are undefeated in 3 tries I believe at MSG, but that only underscores the point that they have given us fits regardless of whether we are capable of beating them or flat-out better. If this game were on a neutral floor or back in DC with Jabril in the lineup, its a Hoyas W.
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Post by hoyas1995 on Feb 26, 2014 0:26:38 GMT -5
Since Marquette joined the Big East in 05-06:
05-06 @ Marquette L 57-51 vs Marquette @msg W 62-59
06-07 @ Georgetown W 76-58
07-08 @ Marquette W 70-68 OT
08-09 @ Marquette L 94-82 @ Georgetown L 78-72
09-10 @ Marquette L 62-59 vs Marquette @ MSG W 80-57
10-11 @ Georgetown W 69-60
11-12 @ Georgetown W 73-70 @ Marquette L 83-69
12-13 @ Marquette L 49-48 @ Georgetown W 63-55
13-14 @ Georgetown L 80-72 @ Marquette ?
Totals @ Georgetown 4-2 @ Marquette 1-5 @ MSG 2-0
WE DO NOT PLAY WELL AT MARQUETTE. This wont be easy by any means
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 26, 2014 6:48:17 GMT -5
must win yup NOW
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 26, 2014 9:47:18 GMT -5
When on the road this year, we are currently averaging the 6th highest number of fouls per game in the country. www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/personal-fouls-per-gameStaying out of early foul trouble was probably the second biggest reason why we won so handily against Xavier (the first being taking care of the ball... 3 turnovers is an amazing achievement). Honestly, I'd just like to see us get a fair shake on the road for a change and see if our players can beat theirs in a basketball game rather than a FT shooting contest, because we are likely losing the latter.
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Post by jackdog74 on Feb 26, 2014 10:20:32 GMT -5
To keep driving home the point on how hard it is to win at the Bradley Center. When we won in 2008, we were down by 3 in the closing seconds. Jonathan Wallace was fouled on a game-tying three pointer, then, with ice water in his veins, calmly sank all 3 free throws to force overtime when we eventually won. So, when we win in Milwaukee, it takes epic plays by Georgetown legends. We really, really, really need this win. But it's really, really, really not likely because it is Milwaukee.
Obviously, I agree 110% with Big Dog and GUJook97.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 26, 2014 11:17:29 GMT -5
Meh. I know i'm a huge homer, but we should've won 2 of those games we lost last year's and 09-10. Which means we really should be 3-3 at marquette as opposed to 1-5. I know we didn't win them, but my point is if it was so hard to win there we'd be getting blown out every game. So I don't think it's so impossible to win at Marquette. If we play like we played vs. Xavier we win easily.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 26, 2014 11:47:20 GMT -5
Meh. I know i'm a huge homer, but we should've won 2 of those games we lost last year's and 09-10. Which means we really should be 3-3 at marquette as opposed to 1-5. I know we didn't win them, but my point is if it was so hard to win there we'd be getting blown out every game. So I don't think it's so impossible to win at Marquette. If we play like we played vs. Xavier we win easily. But the point is we didn't win them. And as far as home court advantages go, I think pulling out close, tightly contested games at home is the very definition of home court advantage. You're winning games that you otherwise could/would lose. If you're blowing teams out, you'd do that on the road as well. Is Wisconsin dominant at home because they blow everyone out? Unlikely.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 26, 2014 11:52:15 GMT -5
To keep driving home the point on how hard it is to win at the Bradley Center. When we won in 2008, we were down by 3 in the closing seconds. Jonathan Wallace was fouled on a game-tying three pointer, then, with ice water in his veins, calmly sank all 3 free throws to force overtime when we eventually won. So, when we win in Milwaukee, it takes epic plays by Georgetown legends. We really, really, really need this win. But it's really, really, really not likely because it is Milwaukee. Obviously, I agree 110% with Big Dog and GUJook97. So you're saying we need an epic play by Nate??
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 26, 2014 12:01:09 GMT -5
Gardner is the key for them against the Hoyas. He is so tough once he gets the ball inside. Hoyas will have to try to deny him without fouling(major challenge for Hopkins and Aegba) and help defense will have to rotate to force ball back out instead of letting him dump it down to another big. Kid also makes his free throws. The Hoyas just have not had anyone since Gardner arrived at Marquette to match his wide body and quickness inside. Would have loved to have seen him try to guard Smith inside, but it was not to be. The Hoya 7 will have to give " forty minutes off hell" effort to win. This is not the Nolan Smith "forty minutes of hell" pressure on the other team, but forty minutes of hell on themselves in giving all out effort on both ends of the court. They have had four days to rest and prepare. Play like this is the last game on the schedule, with chance to play in the NCAA in the balance. Don't see Cameron providing much given his defensive liabilities and their bigs athleticism unless he goes lights out from 3pt land.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 26, 2014 12:23:46 GMT -5
Didnt Marquette go to the Sweet 16 pretty much every year we lost to them in Milwaukee? Dont you guys think that correlation is somewhat relevant? i.e, they were tought to beat because they were good Look, no doubt this is a tough road game, but I dont agree that the Bradley Center is some epic homecourt. Creighton just beat them by like 20. When we were good the last several years, we were winning all of our home games, too. Like Frazier said, Marquette is not that good of a team. The biggest issue is that we arent either.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 26, 2014 13:04:35 GMT -5
Meh. I know i'm a huge homer, but we should've won 2 of those games we lost last year's and 09-10. Which means we really should be 3-3 at marquette as opposed to 1-5. I know we didn't win them, but my point is if it was so hard to win there we'd be getting blown out every game. So I don't think it's so impossible to win at Marquette. If we play like we played vs. Xavier we win easily. I mean, I guess close games are better than blowouts, but Marquette generally controls the proceedings when we play at Bradley. In 2013, we led for a grand total of 2:36, never for longer than 1:36 and no later than 15:45 to go in the game. In 2010, we led for a grant total of 3:40, never for longer than 2:05 and no later than 6:23 to go. Shoot, even in the 2008 win Marquette led by 11 in the second half, and we didn't lead for basically 34 minutes of game action (16:26 left 1H to 3:32 left 2H). But hey, we got a favorable (and correct call) from John Cahill, so rainbows and bunnies! So it's a tough place for us. Whether that's just voodoo and small sample size, who knows. The entire Big East is basically a random number generator at this point, so choose your favorite lottery machine/dartboard/back of a psych textbook.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 26, 2014 16:42:58 GMT -5
Gardner is the key for them against the Hoyas. He is so tough once he gets the ball inside. Hoyas will have to try to deny him without fouling(major challenge for Hopkins and Aegba) and help defense will have to rotate to force ball back out instead of letting him dump it down to another big. Kid also makes his free throws. The Hoyas just have not had anyone since Gardner arrived at Marquette to match his wide body and quickness inside. Would have loved to have seen him try to guard Smith inside, but it was not to be. The Hoya 7 will have to give " forty minutes off hell" effort to win. This is not the Nolan Smith "forty minutes of hell" pressure on the other team, but forty minutes of hell on themselves in giving all out effort on both ends of the court. They have had four days to rest and prepare. Play like this is the last game on the schedule, with chance to play in the NCAA in the balance. Don't see Cameron providing much given his defensive liabilities and their bigs athleticism unless he goes lights out from 3pt land. You meant..Nolan Richardson the former Arkansas Razorback Coach. Nolan Smith played for Duke and has a National Championship. Also played with Kyrie Irving his Senior year.
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