GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 22, 2014 21:11:38 GMT -5
That was pretty much the best thing that could've happened for my enjoyment of that game. Thanks, Magoo...
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 22, 2014 21:16:49 GMT -5
I guess we can say to Mr. Magoo, welcome to the ACC, the conference of duke and UNC.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 22, 2014 21:23:20 GMT -5
Like none of us saw that coming when 'Cuse made their first ACC visit to Cameron. What a shame. . . .
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Post by tashoya on Feb 22, 2014 22:50:19 GMT -5
That was pretty much the best thing that could've happened for my enjoyment of that game. Thanks, Magoo... I disagree. The Dookies could have started slapping the floor and the Cuse could have gotten angry that the Dookies were stealing their preferred courting ritual to use as a game time antic thus resulting in a slapfight where many Dookies would fall down without getting slapped. The fallout of which would be suspensions for the entirety of both squads for the rest of the year and subsequent forfeiture of the rest of their respective games. Both fanbases would be livid and complain that they were jobbed by the refs. The Cuse, having been dealt oranges and wanting to make orangeade, would then sell t-shirts made commemorating the first time one of their players had the stones to take a swing at a guy and donate the proceeds to the local police force for their continued cooperation in the "education" of their more "difficult" players. Barring something like that or, ya know, a meteor, I'm with you.
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Post by 3xhoya on Feb 22, 2014 22:56:33 GMT -5
That was a pretty amazing ending. I hate Duke, but my hatred for Cuse is on a different level. I wish them many more years of this to come as the become irrelevant on Tobacco Road.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 23, 2014 0:13:28 GMT -5
I wish them many more years of this to come as the become irrelevant on Tobacco Road. Yeah look, I hate both of these teams like I hated Craig Esherick's play calling, but the Duke-Syracuse series this season has been the polar opposite of irrelevant. They've played two games that will easily be among the Top 10 most memorable of the season, if not higher, despite both being marred by questionable calls at the end. Put another way, Syracuse ain't gonna become "irrelevant on Tobacco road" any time soon because they're "relevant in Bristol". I can laugh at Jim Boeheim photoshop memes (and seriously folks, do yourself a favor and get on that) and LOLOLOLOL Tony Greene, and then I remember Fox Sports 1 pre-empted the first half of our game for NASCAR practice.
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 23, 2014 8:03:45 GMT -5
B has to learn that flopping is a basic defense at Duke.
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Post by wahoohoya on Feb 23, 2014 8:48:46 GMT -5
Yeah - anybody who thinks Cuse will become irrelevant in the ACC isn't being objective. Sure, once Boeheim retires the program might take a step back for a little bit, but as long as ESPN is ESPN, Cuse will get a ton of support by the media and hence the conference. The Duke-Syracuse game will continue to be hyped as a must see event. Heck, I don't think it will take long for even those pompous Duke fans to admit that Cuse is a rival (always secondary to UNC, of course). I was one who thought that the Gtown-Cuse rivalry could persist, but frankly, I can't generate the same kind of hatred for them anymore. I just don't really care about them. I will still take pleasure in every Cuse defeat, but in watching that game last night, I think I realized I now hate Duke more.
And while Boeheim made it a perfect ending (making the win slightly less satisfying for Duke fans while making a fool out of himself), it was a great move for him. Yes, it cost his team a chance to win the game, but it was essentially a meaningless game. And in the grand scheme of things, it may cause refs to think twice about giving Duke every call, which may pay dividends in the ACC tournament and beyond. And frankly, it provides even more fuel to the rivalry hype machine. I believe him when he said he had no regrets over his antics. That was a terrible call and the ref needed to be called out.
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Post by biggmanu on Feb 23, 2014 8:58:08 GMT -5
I hate Duke and the obvious home cooking that goes on in Cameron as much as the next guy but Magoo and Cuse got what they deserved. Hard to decide who I wanted to see lose that game more but I'll absolutely take a gut-wrenching loss for Cuse losing their first place in conference spot to UVA (really UVA? gross). That charge call was the epitome of the ACC. Magoo and Cuse fans can complain all they want but they made their own bed (joining the ACC) and now they have to sleep in it and it won't be the last time the calls don't go their way in a Cameron game. As for the inevitable argument that Cuse lacks class (you would never see Coach K or JT3 ranting and raving) I have to say I actually love that Magoo stormed the court like a lunatic (extremely entertaining). It was a bad call and for all lovers of college basketball you hate to see a big game end that way. Georgetown has suffered at least 4 or 5 abysmal calls this year and I would have loved to see JT3 one tenth as fired up as Magoo got at the end of that game. Even though it is pretty silly to get a double-tech when the game is still close it actually somehow makes me feel better when a ref gets deservedly torn a new one.
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Post by wahoohoya on Feb 23, 2014 9:12:18 GMT -5
I hate Duke and the obvious home cooking that goes on in Cameron as much as the next guy but Magoo and Cuse got what they deserved. Hard to decide who I wanted to see lose that game more but I'll absolutely take a gut-wrenching loss for Cuse losing their first place in conference spot to UVA (really UVA? gross). That charge call was the epitome of the ACC. Magoo and Cuse fans can complain all they want but they made their own bed (joining the ACC) and now they have to sleep in it and it won't be the last time the calls don't go their way in a Cameron game. As for the inevitable argument that Cuse lacks class (you would never see Coach K or JT3 ranting and raving) I have to say I actually love that Magoo stormed the court like a lunatic (extremely entertaining). It was a bad call and for all lovers of college basketball you hate to see a big game end that way. Georgetown has suffered at least 4 or 5 abysmal calls this year and I would have loved to see JT3 one tenth as fired up as Magoo got at the end of that game. Even though it is pretty silly to get a double-tech when the game is still close it actually somehow makes me feel better when a ref gets deservedly torn a new one. Agree with your general sentiment but that is why I thought it was a good move for Boeheim - have to stand up and defend yourself otherwise those terrible calls will continue to happen (which they will anyway, but still have to try). Sit back and do nothing and they likely would have lost anyway. If you are going to go down, go down in style. Would love to see more of that from JT3. But on that note, have you not watched Coach K all these years? The guy is a straight up ref abuser. Sure, he might not have been ejected like that, but the notion that Coack K excudes nothing but class is one of those weird Duke myths.
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Post by biggmanu on Feb 23, 2014 9:15:16 GMT -5
We're not beating Creighton. I don't know what we've done this season to make anyone think otherwise. Must be our great win over Providence. Really? We held McDermott to 5 of 15 and only 14 pts at their place. Even Hopkins matched that total putting up 14 pts @creighton. Gotta believe even when it's hard.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 23, 2014 9:18:42 GMT -5
What Magoo did was pathetic. It's made even worse that his own player, CJ Fair, thinks it was stupid. He also continued to act like a baby about it in the post game presser. He didn't stick up for his players or deflect attention from the loss. He was a selfish prick who couldn't contain himself on a borderline call that happens all the time. I would love to see III stick up for his players, but that is not at all what Boeheim did. He better get fined or suspended, and I hope that affects them tomorrow. He was even intimating that the ACC intentionally allowed Maryland to not have a game on Saturday.
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Post by biggmanu on Feb 23, 2014 9:22:50 GMT -5
I hate Duke and the obvious home cooking that goes on in Cameron as much as the next guy but Magoo and Cuse got what they deserved. Hard to decide who I wanted to see lose that game more but I'll absolutely take a gut-wrenching loss for Cuse losing their first place in conference spot to UVA (really UVA? gross). That charge call was the epitome of the ACC. Magoo and Cuse fans can complain all they want but they made their own bed (joining the ACC) and now they have to sleep in it and it won't be the last time the calls don't go their way in a Cameron game. As for the inevitable argument that Cuse lacks class (you would never see Coach K or JT3 ranting and raving) I have to say I actually love that Magoo stormed the court like a lunatic (extremely entertaining). It was a bad call and for all lovers of college basketball you hate to see a big game end that way. Georgetown has suffered at least 4 or 5 abysmal calls this year and I would have loved to see JT3 one tenth as fired up as Magoo got at the end of that game. Even though it is pretty silly to get a double-tech when the game is still close it actually somehow makes me feel better when a ref gets deservedly torn a new one. Agree with your general sentiment but that is why I thought it was a good move for Boeheim - have to stand up and defend yourself otherwise those terrible calls will continue to happen (which they will anyway, but still have to try). Sit back and do nothing and they likely would have lost anyway. If you are going to go down, go down in style. Would love to see more of that from JT3. But on that note, have you not watched Coach K all these years? The guy is a straight up ref abuser. Sure, he might not have been ejected like that, but the notion that Coack K excudes nothing but class is one of those weird Duke myths. A good move, maybe. But CJ Fair didn't seem to think so in the post-game. Maybe the ref sealed that game, but there's always the opportunity to foul and extend the game making it an even better ending if Duke misses their FT's and Ennis sinks another ridiculous shot. I'm sure the players on Cuse would have much rather fouled immediately to extend the game rather than giving up 4 free throws. There's really nothing good that comes out of a double Tech other than pure entertainment value. The kids work extremely hard preparing and executing in big games and their time in college is always quickly fleeting. It's just terrible that a ref and a legendary coach robbed them of one of the most memorable games of their lives. Also, I don't think a ref is going to think twice about awarding Duke a generous flop-charge-foul in the future cause Magoo caused a stink about it that one time.
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Post by DallasHoya on Feb 23, 2014 10:03:40 GMT -5
My wife asked me why Magoo could be so stupid to react like that when his team still had a chance at that point in the game. I told her he has a degree from Syracuse.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Feb 23, 2014 11:52:36 GMT -5
More needs to be made about how winnable that game still was for Syracuse. Duke was shooting under 50% for the day from the line. The odds are that Cuse would have had almost 10 full seconds to tie (or less likely, win) that game. Even if Duke made both there was plenty of time for a quick 2-pt FG and another foul.
Although the call looked egregious in real time on TV, the replay showed that while it was a bad call, it wasn't a terrible call. It wasn't even the worst block/charge call to go against Cuse in that game - that honor went to Jabari Parker's runaway train fastbreak. Boeheim knows the NCAA tourney stars are aligned for him this year, and he desperately wants another NC to be considered in the class with K, Williams, etc. Winning that game would have all but locked up MSG, and he just lost his mind when he saw it slipping away. There's no other explanation for him to lose his mind like that over a single game after 30+ years of pretty much keeping his cool on the sidelines.
And it's despicable is that in the aftermath he wasn't man enough to acknowledge what an idiot he was. He reiterated that it was the "worst call of the year" and showed no remorse for his actions. Jerk.
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Post by wahoohoya on Feb 23, 2014 13:38:10 GMT -5
There is no dispute that Boeheim cost his team a chance to win that game. And I'm certainly not arguing in favor of Boeheim's character. All I'm saying is that he knew what he was doing. He knew by running on the court he would get T'd up and effectively end the game right there. I don't think he really cared much whether he won or lost that game. He is looking at the big picture. He damn well knows, like everybody else in the country, that Duke gets its disproportionate share of calls (particularly in that building). He knows he is likely to see Duke again in the ACC tournament. And god forbid, he might see them again when it really matters. So what is essentially a meaningless game in the grand scheme of things (they still control their destiny in terms of the regular season ACC title and #1 seed in the NCAA's), he chose to make a point. Sure, he could have made that same point without making such a clown of himself, but the way he made his point - by pretty much ending the game right then and there when the outcome was still in doubt - is in my mind the strongest way to make your point. Who knows if it will pay dividends down the road, but I think it very well could.
And Hoyaholic - to my eyes, that was absolutely a terrible call. Everything about the new rules emphasis in college basketball this year tells us that is not a charge. That call was a perfect example of what the NCAA was trying to get rid of, but that ref just couldn't resist putting his own personal stamp on that game.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 23, 2014 13:51:03 GMT -5
We're not beating Creighton. I don't know what we've done this season to make anyone think otherwise. Must be our great win over Providence. No our dominant win over Xavier! Stranger things have happened; heck, Creighton struggled with Butler.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 23, 2014 13:54:48 GMT -5
There is no dispute that Boeheim cost his team a chance to win that game. And I'm certainly not arguing in favor of Boeheim's character. All I'm saying is that he knew what he was doing. He knew by running on the court he would get T'd up and effectively end the game right there. I don't think he really cared much whether he won or lost that game. He is looking at the big picture. He damn well knows, like everybody else in the country, that Duke gets its disproportionate share of calls (particularly in that building). He knows he is likely to see Duke again in the ACC tournament. And god forbid, he might see them again when it really matters. So what is essentially a meaningless game in the grand scheme of things (they still control their destiny in terms of the regular season ACC title and #1 seed in the NCAA's), he chose to make a point. Sure, he could have made that same point without making such a clown of himself, but the way he made his point - by pretty much ending the game right then and there when the outcome was still in doubt - is in my mind the strongest way to make your point. Who knows if it will pay dividends down the road, but I think it very well could. And Hoyaholic - to my eyes, that was absolutely a terrible call. Everything about the new rules emphasis in college basketball this year tells us that is not a charge. That call was a perfect example of what the NCAA was trying to get rid of, but that ref just couldn't resist putting his own personal stamp on that game. Likely to see Duke again in the ACC tourney - unless they run into BC first!
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 23, 2014 14:16:00 GMT -5
And Hoyaholic - to my eyes, that was absolutely a terrible call. Everything about the new rules emphasis in college basketball this year tells us that is not a charge. That call was a perfect example of what the NCAA was trying to get rid of, but that ref just couldn't resist putting his own personal stamp on that game. How does the call represent a ref putting his personal stamp on the game? We can all agree that some foul was committed so a call needs to be made, right? It was going to be a big call no matter what. If the call had been a blocking foul, that's arguably even more significant, because it ties the game and puts CJ Fair on the line with a FT to take the lead with 10 seconds to go. The charge negates the basket and gives the ball back to Duke, but it's still a 2 point game with 10 seconds to go. Cuse can go for a steal or foul a team that was shooting sub-50% from the line. Boeheim ended the game, not the charge call. College basketball fans ascribe waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many nefarious intentions to officials. Help me out, which is it: was Tony Greene flashing his ego and trying to put his personal stamp on the game, or was he so timid and cowed by Cameron's history that he had to give that call to Duke? The reality is for the most part they're just trying to get by and sort through everything on the court. Tony Greene ended up with an incredibly tough call to make at full speed, and as I wrote in a different thread, he wasn't in perfect position either. Both guys--Tony Greene and Jim Boeheim--made snap decisions in the moment. That's it.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Feb 23, 2014 14:18:14 GMT -5
I wish them many more years of this to come as the become irrelevant on Tobacco Road. Yeah look, I hate both of these teams like I hated Craig Esherick's play calling, but the Duke-Syracuse series this season has been the polar opposite of irrelevant. They've played two games that will easily be among the Top 10 most memorable of the season, if not higher, despite both being marred by questionable calls at the end. Put another way, Syracuse ain't gonna become "irrelevant on Tobacco road" any time soon because they're "relevant in Bristol". I can laugh at Jim Boeheim photoshop memes (and seriously folks, do yourself a favor and get on that) and LOLOLOLOL Tony Greene, and then I remember Fox Sports 1 pre-empted the first half of our game for NASCAR practice. It's unquestionably true that the omnipresence of Newhouse alumni throughout sports media in general, and ESPN in particular, creates a level of coverage 'stickiness' that has kept Syracuse's media profile at a high level, even when their performance on the court has not justified it. That stickiness isn't going to vanish the second Boeheim decides to call it a career, so outright "irrelevance" is likely not in the cards anytime soon. On the other hand... there are tons of Medill alumni throughout ESPN and sports media as well, and we don't see disproportionate levels of coverage of Northwestern. The Orange are a much more accomplished program, obviously, but nonetheless it's clear that sportscasters' alma maters only go so far in terms of coverage. They're all chasing where the fans and the viewership and the sponsors are. Consider also the case of Syracuse football. Does it get more coverage than its generally woeful record of the last decade deserves? Probably... but not by much. Considering the relatively limited number of games in the Eastern time zone, it's not surprising that Cuse football gets some extra play than they might otherwise deserve. Taken as a whole, though, Syracuse football is indeed effectively "irrelevant" when it comes to the football landscape. ESPN is high on Syracuse right now and has merged them into their premier ACC basketball product. That's not necessarily a guarantee of future privileged status, though. Compare how much coverage Memphis got with Calipari there to what they get now. Personalities count for a lot; Boeheim has been obliging enough, although he doesn't have anywhere near the level of symbiosis with ESPN that Coach K or Roy Williams do. I'm sure that having a good relationship with the press will be a top criterion for judging Boeheim's replacement, but as the Bernie Fine fiasco has shown, when the media smells the possibility of a feeding frenzy, loyalties go out the door. As for the Fox Sports 1 cutaway... I think we do have to grade on a bit of a curve right now, given that the channel is less than a year old. If our game were on ESPN and was bumped to ESPN2 for the first half hour, how many people would care? Not too many, since everyone gets ESPN2 (or can watch online). Fox Sports isn't there yet, either in terms of Fox Sports 2 penetration or online access. But that is very much the plan, and getting in on the ground floor should pay more dividends down the line. I hope.
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