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Post by EtomicB on Feb 18, 2014 13:25:53 GMT -5
"He can't be worse than Moses on his bad days" is no justification for minutes. If the staff thinks he can give MORE than Moses, he should get that chance. Frazier wouldn't you like to see if Hayes has anything? Aren't you a little curious?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 18, 2014 14:56:31 GMT -5
"He can't be worse than Moses on his bad days" is no justification for minutes. If the staff thinks he can give MORE than Moses, he should get that chance. Frazier wouldn't you like to see if Hayes has anything? Aren't you a little curious? He has shown exactly zero in the fleeting glimpses we have seen, so not really. He had 2 rebounds in his hands and lost them both last time he played. We have no margin for error at this point. I trust that if there was any hope he could contribute even a little, he would get that chance.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 18, 2014 15:23:34 GMT -5
Frazier wouldn't you like to see if Hayes has anything? Aren't you a little curious? He has shown exactly zero in the fleeting glimpses we have seen, so not really. He had 2 rebounds in his hands and lost them both last time he played. We have no margin for error at this point. I trust that if there was any hope he could contribute even a little, he would get that chance. Moses has 3 rebounds and zero blocks in 26 minutes over the past 3 games.. Fair enough though... Go Hoyas!!
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Post by Talos on Feb 18, 2014 15:52:17 GMT -5
Frazier wouldn't you like to see if Hayes has anything? Aren't you a little curious? He has shown exactly zero in the fleeting glimpses we have seen, so not really. He had 2 rebounds in his hands and lost them both last time he played. We have no margin for error at this point. I trust that if there was any hope he could contribute even a little, he would get that chance. Good points. In the last game we saw Hayes, he showed really bad hands. Like you said, I remember him fumbling two easy rebounds and letting another pass deflect off his hands. With our lack of depth at the 5, there must be a really good reason he still doesn't get minutes...and I'm guessing this may be it. Moses has been very unproductive lately, but at least he can catch passes and squeeze rebounds.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 18, 2014 16:11:57 GMT -5
He has shown exactly zero in the fleeting glimpses we have seen, so not really. He had 2 rebounds in his hands and lost them both last time he played. We have no margin for error at this point. I trust that if there was any hope he could contribute even a little, he would get that chance. Moses has 3 rebounds and zero blocks in 26 minutes over the past 3 games.. Fair enough though... Go Hoyas!! Believe me, I have been disappointed by Moses's apparent regression, especially when we have needed him to step up. I just think there is a better chance that Moses gives us something in a game, since he has contributed at least at times in the past. And if our post-season lives weren't hanging by a thread, I would love to see Bradley get a couple minutes here and there when Moses (and/or Hop) is having one of those negative games, just to see if we might glimpse a spark from him. I just understand Coach's reluctance to take that chance given our circumstances. And despite the beliefs of some, I feel that Hayes could still give us some contribution the next 2 years if he works hard and gains some confidence and better control of his game. I know his development was stunted by injuries in high school, so he may still be a late bloomer.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 18, 2014 17:14:45 GMT -5
I believe if Bradley Hayes would foul more in practice like Hopper and Moses then maybe just maybe... he might get some playing time.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 18, 2014 17:41:49 GMT -5
I believe if Bradley Hayes would foul more in practice like Hopper and Moses then maybe just maybe... he might get some playing time. I just think that Hayes doesn't get blocked enough to compete with Hopkins. We need a center who eats the ball on at least 40% of his attempts.
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Post by JWallsTreBalls on Feb 18, 2014 18:09:36 GMT -5
Hopkins is one of the worst finishers at the rim that I've ever seen.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 18, 2014 18:17:15 GMT -5
I believe if Bradley Hayes would foul more in practice like Hopper and Moses then maybe just maybe... he might get some playing time. How do we know he doesn't?!
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Post by This Just In on Feb 18, 2014 20:05:13 GMT -5
I believe if Bradley Hayes would foul more in practice like Hopper and Moses then maybe just maybe... he might get some playing time. How do we know he doesn't?! You are right... Bradley Hayes does not have the right combination down yet... He needs to make sure that he can play for 10 mins, score 0 pts, commit 4 fouls and have 4 turnovers... That's the combination and ticket to more playing time.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 18, 2014 20:09:35 GMT -5
Moses has 3 rebounds and zero blocks in 26 minutes over the past 3 games.. Fair enough though... Go Hoyas!! Believe me, I have been disappointed by Moses's apparent regression, especially when we have needed him to step up. I just think there is a better chance that Moses gives us something in a game, since he has contributed at least at times in the past. And if our post-season lives weren't hanging by a thread, I would love to see Bradley get a couple minutes here and there when Moses (and/or Hop) is having one of those negative games, just to see if we might glimpse a spark from him. I just understand Coach's reluctance to take that chance given our circumstances. And despite the beliefs of some, I feel that Hayes could still give us some contribution the next 2 years if he works hard and gains some confidence and better control of his game. I know his development was stunted by injuries in high school, so he may still be a late bloomer. Something is wrong with him. He's not the same player he was last year or even earlier this year when Josh was playing. I know he hurt his elbow a couple games back so it might be that but it seems like he doesn't have the lift that he had earlier this season and last season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 20:27:38 GMT -5
Believe me, I have been disappointed by Moses's apparent regression, especially when we have needed him to step up. I just think there is a better chance that Moses gives us something in a game, since he has contributed at least at times in the past. And if our post-season lives weren't hanging by a thread, I would love to see Bradley get a couple minutes here and there when Moses (and/or Hop) is having one of those negative games, just to see if we might glimpse a spark from him. I just understand Coach's reluctance to take that chance given our circumstances. And despite the beliefs of some, I feel that Hayes could still give us some contribution the next 2 years if he works hard and gains some confidence and better control of his game. I know his development was stunted by injuries in high school, so he may still be a late bloomer. Something is wrong with him. He's not the same player he was last year or even earlier this year when Josh was playing. I know he hurt his elbow a couple games back so it might be that but it seems like he doesn't have the lift that he had earlier this season and last season. My issue with him is that if he doesnt have lift at least use that big body and box out. Too many times he's standing around on a rebound and somebody flies in from nowhere to steal his rebound for an easy putback....
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 18, 2014 20:33:22 GMT -5
Frazier wouldn't you like to see if Hayes has anything? Aren't you a little curious? He has shown exactly zero in the fleeting glimpses we have seen, so not really. He had 2 rebounds in his hands and lost them both last time he played. We have no margin for error at this point. I trust that if there was any hope he could contribute even a little, he would get that chance. same thing was said about Bowen. hayes actually has great hands; nerves. JTIII doesn't have patience with players who make mistakes....except Hopkins
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 18, 2014 21:47:59 GMT -5
He has shown exactly zero in the fleeting glimpses we have seen, so not really. He had 2 rebounds in his hands and lost them both last time he played. We have no margin for error at this point. I trust that if there was any hope he could contribute even a little, he would get that chance. same thing was said about Bowen. hayes actually has great hands; nerves. JTIII doesn't have patience with players who make mistakes....except Hopkins He hasn't shown those great hands in game time - when so many have suggested he could shine if given the chance. Hopkins at least has shown some positives, even had some very good games. If you don't show enough in practice, you better take advantage of whatever minutes you get in a game. I really want Bradley to improve. But he needs to show something to get on the court this year.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 18, 2014 21:54:35 GMT -5
How do we know he doesn't?! You are right... Bradley Hayes does not have the right combination down yet... He needs to make sure that he can play for 10 mins, score 0 pts, commit 4 fouls and have 4 turnovers... That's the combination and ticket to more playing time. The one time Hayes got meaningful minutes he had one foul, one botched pass and 2 lost rebounds in 3 minutes. Looks like he is right on pace.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 18, 2014 22:00:33 GMT -5
as much as this board complains about Nate, why would III keep Hayes next year, if he won't play him this year?
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 18, 2014 22:57:08 GMT -5
You are right... Bradley Hayes does not have the right combination down yet... He needs to make sure that he can play for 10 mins, score 0 pts, commit 4 fouls and have 4 turnovers... That's the combination and ticket to more playing time. The one time Hayes got meaningful minutes he had one foul, one botched pass and 2 lost rebounds in 3 minutes. Looks like he is right on pace. Which big on the squad hasn't had a stretch like that Frazier?
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Post by tashoya on Feb 18, 2014 23:08:36 GMT -5
"He can't be worse than Moses on his bad days" is no justification for minutes. If the staff thinks he can give MORE than Moses, he should get that chance. And, the corollary to that, of course, is that he isn't getting minutes even when Moses isn't having a good day. Does 2+2 not still equal 4? It seems fairly straightforward. We'd all like Hayes to be in a position to contribute. He clearly isn't according to the staff who might actually be in a position to evaluate such things. But what the heck? I'm in for pumping this thread up another few pages based on nothing other than wanting Hayes to be more ready than he is because this team could use the extra help.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 18, 2014 23:23:37 GMT -5
"He can't be worse than Moses on his bad days" is no justification for minutes. If the staff thinks he can give MORE than Moses, he should get that chance. And, the corollary to that, of course, is that he isn't getting minutes even when Moses isn't having a good day. Does 2+2 not still equal 4? It seems fairly straightforward. We'd all like Hayes to be in a position to contribute. He clearly isn't according to the staff who might actually be in a position to evaluate such things. But what the heck? I'm in for pumping this thread up another few pages based on nothing other than wanting Hayes to be more ready than he is because this team could use the extra help. So why did JT3 bother to play him at all this season? Why not RS him or let him go? Why waste a year of the kids eligibility if he wasn't ready to play and even more importantly when you had no intention on using him in any meaningful way this season?
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Post by tashoya on Feb 18, 2014 23:35:01 GMT -5
And, the corollary to that, of course, is that he isn't getting minutes even when Moses isn't having a good day. Does 2+2 not still equal 4? It seems fairly straightforward. We'd all like Hayes to be in a position to contribute. He clearly isn't according to the staff who might actually be in a position to evaluate such things. But what the heck? I'm in for pumping this thread up another few pages based on nothing other than wanting Hayes to be more ready than he is because this team could use the extra help. So why did JT3 bother to play him at all this season? Why not RS him or let him go? Why waste a year of the kids eligibility if he wasn't ready to play and even more importantly when you had no intention on using him in any meaningful way this season? Not a clue. Those are different questions than why isn't he playing right now. I could take a guess but it wouldn't have any evidence to back it up. What is plenty evident is his lack of playing time now when this team could very much use an inside presence.
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