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Post by EtomicB on Feb 19, 2014 0:08:08 GMT -5
So why did JT3 bother to play him at all this season? Why not RS him or let him go? Why waste a year of the kids eligibility if he wasn't ready to play and even more importantly when you had no intention on using him in any meaningful way this season? Not a clue. Those are different questions than why isn't he playing right now. I could take a guess but it wouldn't have any evidence to back it up. What is plenty evident is his lack of playing time now when this team could very much use an inside presence. Different yes but still part of the same argument imo.. Your only "evidence" is that he doesn't play, is that really evidence? You trust JT3's judgement that Hayes isn't ready to play now so he doesn't play him, which is fine by me.. I question his judgement when I see the same guys playing sub standard basketball game after game and he doesn't get so fed up with it, that he'd be willing to try anything.. I always thought a coach is supposed to try anything & anyone if kids aren't producing? I also question his judgement in wasting half of a youngster's athletic eligibility on 30 minutes of playing time, 27 of which came in pure garbage time..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 19, 2014 0:16:25 GMT -5
The one time Hayes got meaningful minutes he had one foul, one botched pass and 2 lost rebounds in 3 minutes. Looks like he is right on pace. Which big on the squad hasn't had a stretch like that Frazier? They all have. But they all have had many positive contributions. Unlike Bradley, albeit in limited minutes. I still trust that if the staff thought there was any realistic chance Hayes could contribute, he would certainly get his chance this year.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 19, 2014 0:34:43 GMT -5
Not a clue. Those are different questions than why isn't he playing right now. I could take a guess but it wouldn't have any evidence to back it up. What is plenty evident is his lack of playing time now when this team could very much use an inside presence. Different yes but still part of the same argument imo.. Your only "evidence" is that he doesn't play, is that really evidence? You trust JT3's judgement that Hayes isn't ready to play now so he doesn't play him, which is fine by me.. I question his judgement when I see the same guys playing sub standard basketball game after game and he doesn't get so fed up with it, that he'd be willing to try anything.. I always thought a coach is supposed to try anything & anyone if kids aren't producing? I also question his judgement in wasting half of a youngster's athletic eligibility on 30 minutes of playing time, 27 of which came in pure garbage time.. Again, everyone seems to be discounting the very real possibility that Hayes is that far behind Moses that he doesn't warrant time. Trying everything and everyone that make any sort of sense is what coaches do. Did you not see Caprio at center? What would be a more plausible reason for keeping him nailed to the bench when, ostensibly, he was brought in for exactly the role we need the most help with? It's not reasonable to think that JT3 just doesn't like the kid. Team success is JT3's success as a coach as well. In addition to which, it doesn't reflect well on JT3 to have a kid nailed to the bench that can't even grab 5 minutes a game. That makes it look like a bad job in recruiting with regard to Hayes to this point. Apparently, JT3 is willing to take that hit and that doesn't happen for no reason. And you can put evidence in quotes all you like. It is, in fact, all of the evidence we, as fans, get. "Evidence" for your side of the debate is you want to see him play. Why? What "evidence" do you have that his ceiling right now isn't below Moses' floor? JT3 is in the business of winning with all players available to him. And Hayes is academically eligible. And 7 feet tall. And nailed to the bench. Please do suggest a more likely reason than he isn't good enough right now to play and I'll gladly agree with you. He's behind Caprio on the depth chart. He's behind almost basically everyone on the depth chart. And he was meant to provide minutes at a position that we don't have a guy that fits well in outside of Moses. And, as we've seen, Moses fouls too much and is wildly inconsistent. And still, Hayes is on the bench. It's not a happy thought but the idea that "Hayes couldn't possibly do worse than Moses" when Moses isn't playing well is a baseless assumption. Of course he can. What have you seen that makes you think otherwise? Your answer will likely include something along the lines of not having seen him enough to evaluate. You know who has seen enough to evaluate that? The same staff that doesn't play Domingo because he can't play D and can't shoot the 3 that he was supposed to be able to do coming in. I'm not saying Hayes shouldn't get minutes. I'm saying that the staff clearly thinks he shouldn't and they know much more about him and his game than I do. It seems reasonable to trust people that have seen him play A LOT in practice as opposed to us as fans that haven't seen him in more than lay-up lines.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 19, 2014 7:11:43 GMT -5
It is hard for me to imagine that in practice Hopper and Moses aren't fouling or missing easy layups or getting their shots blocked...
These guys can't be looking like studs in practice and then come game time they look lost or slow or too soft to go up strong when they are near the rim...
Dont players play how they practice??
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 19, 2014 9:28:30 GMT -5
It is hard for me to imagine that in practice Hopper and Moses aren't fouling or missing easy layups or getting their shots blocked... These guys can't be looking like studs in practice and then come game time they look lost or slow or too soft to go up strong when they are near the rim... Dont players play how they practice?? Right, but Hayes might just be even worse than that. Given that the staff won't play him in game sitiuatons that's very likely.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 19, 2014 10:23:25 GMT -5
It is hard for me to imagine that in practice Hopper and Moses aren't fouling or missing easy layups or getting their shots blocked... These guys can't be looking like studs in practice and then come game time they look lost or slow or too soft to go up strong when they are near the rim... Dont players play how they practice?? No. Nikita, Thornton, etc... come to mind as 3-point legends in practice.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 19, 2014 10:31:26 GMT -5
The redshirt issue is a different one. Maybe the staff keeps hoping that the light will come on and Bradley will make huge strides that earn him minutes; given our deficiencies this year they may be willing to take that chance. Maybe they have discussed it with him, and he does not want to spend an extra year in college. Maybe JTIII just does not believe in redshirting kids. It would otherwise seem to make sense to give him that extra year to develop.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 19, 2014 11:00:04 GMT -5
You are right... Bradley Hayes does not have the right combination down yet... He needs to make sure that he can play for 10 mins, score 0 pts, commit 4 fouls and have 4 turnovers... That's the combination and ticket to more playing time. The one time Hayes got meaningful minutes he had one foul, one botched pass and 2 lost rebounds in 3 minutes. Looks like he is right on pace. I can expect Bradley Hayes putting up that type of stat line with limited playing time but not a starter. And let's face it...if Bradley Hayes would have done that... A Johnny come lately would post "Well u see why Bradley Hayes does not play now??"
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 19, 2014 11:29:24 GMT -5
Different yes but still part of the same argument imo.. Your only "evidence" is that he doesn't play, is that really evidence? You trust JT3's judgement that Hayes isn't ready to play now so he doesn't play him, which is fine by me.. I question his judgement when I see the same guys playing sub standard basketball game after game and he doesn't get so fed up with it, that he'd be willing to try anything.. I always thought a coach is supposed to try anything & anyone if kids aren't producing? I also question his judgement in wasting half of a youngster's athletic eligibility on 30 minutes of playing time, 27 of which came in pure garbage time.. Again, everyone seems to be discounting the very real possibility that Hayes is that far behind Moses that he doesn't warrant time. Trying everything and everyone that make any sort of sense is what coaches do. Did you not see Caprio at center? What would be a more plausible reason for keeping him nailed to the bench when, ostensibly, he was brought in for exactly the role we need the most help with? It's not reasonable to think that JT3 just doesn't like the kid. Team success is JT3's success as a coach as well. In addition to which, it doesn't reflect well on JT3 to have a kid nailed to the bench that can't even grab 5 minutes a game. That makes it look like a bad job in recruiting with regard to Hayes to this point. Apparently, JT3 is willing to take that hit and that doesn't happen for no reason. And you can put evidence in quotes all you like. It is, in fact, all of the evidence we, as fans, get. "Evidence" for your side of the debate is you want to see him play. Why? What "evidence" do you have that his ceiling right now isn't below Moses' floor? JT3 is in the business of winning with all players available to him. And Hayes is academically eligible. And 7 feet tall. And nailed to the bench. Please do suggest a more likely reason than he isn't good enough right now to play and I'll gladly agree with you. He's behind Caprio on the depth chart. He's behind almost basically everyone on the depth chart. And he was meant to provide minutes at a position that we don't have a guy that fits well in outside of Moses. And, as we've seen, Moses fouls too much and is wildly inconsistent. And still, Hayes is on the bench. It's not a happy thought but the idea that "Hayes couldn't possibly do worse than Moses" when Moses isn't playing well is a baseless assumption. Of course he can. What have you seen that makes you think otherwise? Your answer will likely include something along the lines of not having seen him enough to evaluate. You know who has seen enough to evaluate that? The same staff that doesn't play Domingo because he can't play D and can't shoot the 3 that he was supposed to be able to do coming in. I'm not saying Hayes shouldn't get minutes. I'm saying that the staff clearly thinks he shouldn't and they know much more about him and his game than I do. It seems reasonable to trust people that have seen him play A LOT in practice as opposed to us as fans that haven't seen him in more than lay-up lines.[/b] To be honest I don't think practice means anything at all when it comes to who plays, JT3 likes a set rotation and he almost never deviates from it.. How many kids have ever played themselves into one of JT3's rotation over the years? I'm talking about a kid who played little to none early in the year and then played solid minutes the rest of the way.. Maybe Aaron last year but he played very little at the end of the regular season.. Anyone else come to mind? I just think a coach has to have an eye towards the future, it can't all be about the present when you're in charge of a program... G'town blew out High point by 35, you really believe giving Hayes 8-10 minutes in that game would have changed the outcome? They smoked KState by 27 and the game was never close, Hayes played 1 minute.. Would decent minutes in that game have changed the outcome? Conversely what did extra playing time due for Moses? He's been bad all year and seems to be getting worse not better.. It's simple to me Moses is in and Hayes is out..
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 19, 2014 11:38:36 GMT -5
The redshirt issue is a different one. Maybe the staff keeps hoping that the light will come on and Bradley will make huge strides that earn him minutes; given our deficiencies this year they may be willing to take that chance. Maybe they have discussed it with him, and he does not want to spend an extra year in college. Maybe JTIII just does not believe in redshirting kids. It would otherwise seem to make sense to give him that extra year to develop. They're hoping the light comes on in practice Frazier? Both Markel & Nate spoke last year about Hopkins struggles by saying they know he'll come around because they see how good he can be each day in practice... I'm not fully in the AI camp when it comes to practice but it can be overrated.. Do you really believe the kid would turn down an extra year of free education if offered? Remember too that Hayes is a year younger than his class just like Domingo.. If JT3 doesn't believe in it then let the kid go elsewhere and move on..
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Post by This Just In on Feb 19, 2014 11:50:21 GMT -5
Again, everyone seems to be discounting the very real possibility that Hayes is that far behind Moses that he doesn't warrant time. Trying everything and everyone that make any sort of sense is what coaches do. Did you not see Caprio at center? What would be a more plausible reason for keeping him nailed to the bench when, ostensibly, he was brought in for exactly the role we need the most help with? It's not reasonable to think that JT3 just doesn't like the kid. Team success is JT3's success as a coach as well. In addition to which, it doesn't reflect well on JT3 to have a kid nailed to the bench that can't even grab 5 minutes a game. That makes it look like a bad job in recruiting with regard to Hayes to this point. Apparently, JT3 is willing to take that hit and that doesn't happen for no reason. And you can put evidence in quotes all you like. It is, in fact, all of the evidence we, as fans, get. "Evidence" for your side of the debate is you want to see him play. Why? What "evidence" do you have that his ceiling right now isn't below Moses' floor? JT3 is in the business of winning with all players available to him. And Hayes is academically eligible. And 7 feet tall. And nailed to the bench. Please do suggest a more likely reason than he isn't good enough right now to play and I'll gladly agree with you. He's behind Caprio on the depth chart. He's behind almost basically everyone on the depth chart. And he was meant to provide minutes at a position that we don't have a guy that fits well in outside of Moses. And, as we've seen, Moses fouls too much and is wildly inconsistent. And still, Hayes is on the bench. It's not a happy thought but the idea that "Hayes couldn't possibly do worse than Moses" when Moses isn't playing well is a baseless assumption. Of course he can. What have you seen that makes you think otherwise? Your answer will likely include something along the lines of not having seen him enough to evaluate. You know who has seen enough to evaluate that? The same staff that doesn't play Domingo because he can't play D and can't shoot the 3 that he was supposed to be able to do coming in. I'm not saying Hayes shouldn't get minutes. I'm saying that the staff clearly thinks he shouldn't and they know much more about him and his game than I do. It seems reasonable to trust people that have seen him play A LOT in practice as opposed to us as fans that haven't seen him in more than lay-up lines. To be honest I don't think practice means anything at all when it comes to who plays, JT3 likes a set rotation and he almost never deviates from it..
How many kids have ever played themselves into one of JT3's rotation over the years? I'm talking about a kid who played little to none early in the year and then played solid minutes the rest of the way.. Maybe Aaron last year but he played very little at the end of the regular season.. Anyone else come to mind?
I just think a coach has to have an eye towards the future, it can't all be about the present when you're in charge of a program... G'town blew out High point by 35, you really believe giving Hayes 8-10 minutes in that game would have changed the outcome? They smoked KState by 27 and the game was never close, Hayes played 1 minute.. Would decent minutes in that game have changed the outcome?
Conversely what did extra playing time due for Moses? He's been bad all year and seems to be getting worse not better..
It's simple to me Moses is in and Hayes is out..
Hey now... You dont want to say that... According to some poster's reasoning... the starters needed those final minutes of blow out wins to gel together for the final BE stretch. The starters needed to be out there pressing on defense and shooting on offense for the overall good of the team.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 19, 2014 12:01:11 GMT -5
Again, everyone seems to be discounting the very real possibility that Hayes is that far behind Moses that he doesn't warrant time. Trying everything and everyone that make any sort of sense is what coaches do. Did you not see Caprio at center? What would be a more plausible reason for keeping him nailed to the bench when, ostensibly, he was brought in for exactly the role we need the most help with? It's not reasonable to think that JT3 just doesn't like the kid. Team success is JT3's success as a coach as well. In addition to which, it doesn't reflect well on JT3 to have a kid nailed to the bench that can't even grab 5 minutes a game. That makes it look like a bad job in recruiting with regard to Hayes to this point. Apparently, JT3 is willing to take that hit and that doesn't happen for no reason. And you can put evidence in quotes all you like. It is, in fact, all of the evidence we, as fans, get. "Evidence" for your side of the debate is you want to see him play. Why? What "evidence" do you have that his ceiling right now isn't below Moses' floor? JT3 is in the business of winning with all players available to him. And Hayes is academically eligible. And 7 feet tall. And nailed to the bench. Please do suggest a more likely reason than he isn't good enough right now to play and I'll gladly agree with you. He's behind Caprio on the depth chart. He's behind almost basically everyone on the depth chart. And he was meant to provide minutes at a position that we don't have a guy that fits well in outside of Moses. And, as we've seen, Moses fouls too much and is wildly inconsistent. And still, Hayes is on the bench. It's not a happy thought but the idea that "Hayes couldn't possibly do worse than Moses" when Moses isn't playing well is a baseless assumption. Of course he can. What have you seen that makes you think otherwise? Your answer will likely include something along the lines of not having seen him enough to evaluate. You know who has seen enough to evaluate that? The same staff that doesn't play Domingo because he can't play D and can't shoot the 3 that he was supposed to be able to do coming in. I'm not saying Hayes shouldn't get minutes. I'm saying that the staff clearly thinks he shouldn't and they know much more about him and his game than I do. It seems reasonable to trust people that have seen him play A LOT in practice as opposed to us as fans that haven't seen him in more than lay-up lines.[/b] To be honest I don't think practice means anything at all when it comes to who plays, JT3 likes a set rotation and he almost never deviates from it.. How many kids have ever played themselves into one of JT3's rotation over the years? I'm talking about a kid who played little to none early in the year and then played solid minutes the rest of the way.. Maybe Aaron last year but he played very little at the end of the regular season.. Anyone else come to mind? I just think a coach has to have an eye towards the future, it can't all be about the present when you're in charge of a program... G'town blew out High point by 35, you really believe giving Hayes 8-10 minutes in that game would have changed the outcome? They smoked KState by 27 and the game was never close, Hayes played 1 minute.. Would decent minutes in that game have changed the outcome? Conversely what did extra playing time due for Moses? He's been bad all year and seems to be getting worse not better.. It's simple to me Moses is in and Hayes is out.. [/quote] JTIII has verbally made clear several times that practice is a huge input to his PT, starting with how he commented that he needed to adjust to the fact that Jessie Sapp was a much better game player than practice player and that it was hard for him to get over. In addition, DaJuan Summers, Roy Hibbert/DJ Owens, Tyler Crawford, Nikita, Jerelle, now Jabril and Cameron, plus a bunch of freshmen that worked their way into the role.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 19, 2014 12:18:55 GMT -5
The redshirt issue is a different one. Maybe the staff keeps hoping that the light will come on and Bradley will make huge strides that earn him minutes; given our deficiencies this year they may be willing to take that chance. Maybe they have discussed it with him, and he does not want to spend an extra year in college. Maybe JTIII just does not believe in redshirting kids. It would otherwise seem to make sense to give him that extra year to develop. They're hoping the light comes on in practice Frazier? Both Markel & Nate spoke last year about Hopkins struggles by saying they know he'll come around because they see how good he can be each day in practice... I'm not fully in the AI camp when it comes to practice but it can be overrated.. Do you really believe the kid would turn down an extra year of free education if offered? Remember too that Hayes is a year younger than his class just like Domingo.. If JT3 doesn't believe in it then let the kid go elsewhere and move on.. Believe it or not, some players actually do get better - much better - in practice. I don't dispute that Hayes could. and probably should, have been given a few more minutes in the lesser OOC games, although with Josh in the mix, that was the chance to give Moses more minutes. And given that Hayes is relatively young, and had multiple injury problems in High school that undoubtedly hindered his development, it is certainly possible that he could make big improvements during the course of a year in practice - and that he could be significantly improved by next October, even if he cannot contribute anything now. The staff certainly knows how little we are getting from the bigs right now. If there was any real hope that Bradley could contribute anything, I suspect we would see him get the chance. If he had grabbed and held those rebounds a few games back, or done anything positive, maybe we see more of him. Maybe circumstances will give him another chance to get a few minutes and show something. I would love it if that happened.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 19, 2014 12:21:54 GMT -5
The one time Hayes got meaningful minutes he had one foul, one botched pass and 2 lost rebounds in 3 minutes. Looks like he is right on pace. I can expect Bradley Hayes putting up that type of stat line with limited playing time but not a starter. And let's face it...if Bradley Hayes would have done that... A Johnny come lately would post "Well u see why Bradley Hayes does not play now??"Again, you seem to ignore the fact that Hop, and to a lesser extent Moses, have had games where they were very important contributors. Thus I suspect the staff believes it far more likely that they will contribute than they do that Hayes will. If Bradley wows them in practice, and shows that he is ready to help, he will get his chance. If eh doesn't. it will be because he hasn't shown enough in practice to earn it. Seems pretty simple.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 19, 2014 12:24:05 GMT -5
[/b] To be honest I don't think practice means anything at all when it comes to who plays, JT3 likes a set rotation and he almost never deviates from it.. How many kids have ever played themselves into one of JT3's rotation over the years? I'm talking about a kid who played little to none early in the year and then played solid minutes the rest of the way.. Maybe Aaron last year but he played very little at the end of the regular season.. Anyone else come to mind? I just think a coach has to have an eye towards the future, it can't all be about the present when you're in charge of a program... G'town blew out High point by 35, you really believe giving Hayes 8-10 minutes in that game would have changed the outcome? They smoked KState by 27 and the game was never close, Hayes played 1 minute.. Would decent minutes in that game have changed the outcome? Conversely what did extra playing time due for Moses? He's been bad all year and seems to be getting worse not better.. It's simple to me Moses is in and Hayes is out.. [/quote] JTIII has verbally made clear several times that practice is a huge input to his PT, starting with how he commented that he needed to adjust to the fact that Jessie Sapp was a much better game player than practice player and that it was hard for him to get over. In addition, DaJuan Summers, Roy Hibbert/DJ Owens, Tyler Crawford, Nikita, Jerelle, now Jabril and Cameron, plus a bunch of freshmen that worked their way into the role. [/quote] Summers played over 26 mins a game as a freshman, Roy played over 15, Owens 1st year with JT3 he played over 25, Bennimon played over 12 & both Jabril and Cameron were part of the rotation right away in their 1st years at G'town. Jabril Avg'd 11.4 and Reggie has Avg'd 14.3. I'll give you Nikita but I never figured him as a regular in my mind..
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 19, 2014 12:38:36 GMT -5
Please name me all these players at other schools who have absolutely no PT and suddenly become a big rotation member elsewhere?
Cameron did not play right away at the beginning of the season. There's a freaking thread on here where people suggest he transfer.
Everyone I listed was a matter of degrees -- players who started/went to the bench or watched at their playing time materially changed within a season. It's not a shock that a player who gets 5+ minutes is more likely to earn 10+ than someone who doesn't play at all. Why would you think the latter likely?
Minutes are a zero sum game. Hayes not only has to get better, but everyone above him has to materially get worse. The bigs are slumping right now, but we know III isn't knee-jerk like this board -- and that's a good thing. Hayes could be improving and STILL not be as good as Moses. I know you are going to come back with the "he should try everything!"
But no, he shouldn't. His job is to evaluate the best decision to win. This is a man who played Caprio at center. He's not afraid to do some unorthodox things. He's not dumb. I don't know why it's that hard to believe that as bad as Moses is playing, it's his best evaluation that Bradley Hayes is currently not a better option. And I don't know why it is inconceivable to you that he may know some things that if you knew, you might actually agree with him.
I'm not saying people need to TTS on everything; but the sheer lack of acknowledgement that Hayes really may be so obviously not ready in practice that it's a bad decision to play him when we are literally teetering on the edge of the tourney is baffling to me. A win means more right now than in many recent years.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 19, 2014 13:40:10 GMT -5
I'm not saying people need to TTS on everything; but the sheer lack of acknowledgement that Hayes really may be so obviously not ready in practice that it's a bad decision to play him when we are literally teetering on the edge of the tourney is baffling to me. A win means more right now than in many recent years. I completely agree. To believe that John Thompson III refuses to play Hayes only because JT3 is stubborn really makes no logical sense. I am sure the primary driving factor behind JT3's decision-making is a desire to win, and that would lead one to think that Hayes probably has not proven to the coaching staff that he could improve on what our front court is doing now. Since the bar is pretty low, it likely means that Hayes has not indicated that he is ready to improve upon what we are seeing now. Perhaps JT3 is less likely to play somebody like Hayes in a blowout situation, but I think that is really a judgment call. And really, whether Hayes played a few minutes in a few blowouts is really unlikely to affect anything anyway. We are still in the hunt for an NCAA tournament birth, so I do not see why JT3 would not continue to do what gives the team the best chance at success (which likely means sitting Hayes). JT3 has never benched someone who suddenly transferred and was great, or who finally got playing time and showed they were a superstar. That rarely happens on any other teams either - barring outside circumstances (like eligibility concerns, etc.) coaches generally do not sit players who help win games. The stubborn angle just does not work. JT3 has shown flexibility in a lot of ways, this year and other years. He has already made adjustments this year (for example, going small to avoid some of our front court problems), and he clearly does not like losing. I am pretty confident if adding one more player to the rotation was a viable option in leading us toward winning, that JT3 would do that.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 19, 2014 13:58:08 GMT -5
I'm even willing to admit that JTIII may be doing it out of spite or stubborness or some other imagined thing. It's possible. But it doesn't really seem like the guy's personality. And to not acknowledge that he may just not be ready -- and so clearly not -- is just weird.
It's not his responsibility to prove to the fanbase in game play that someone is not ready. I kind of feel like people are demanding that.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 19, 2014 14:34:04 GMT -5
I'm even willing to admit that JTIII may be doing it out of spite or stubborness or some other imagined thing. It's possible. But it doesn't really seem like the guy's personality. And to not acknowledge that he may just not be ready -- and so clearly not -- is just weird. It's not his responsibility to prove to the fanbase in game play that someone is not ready. I kind of feel like people are demanding that. NOBODY puts Hoyatalk in the corner. Not even JTIII.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 19, 2014 14:34:20 GMT -5
Please name me all these players at other schools who have absolutely no PT and suddenly become a big rotation member elsewhere? Cameron did not play right away at the beginning of the season. There's a freaking thread on here where people suggest he transfer. Everyone I listed was a matter of degrees -- players who started/went to the bench or watched at their playing time materially changed within a season. It's not a shock that a player who gets 5+ minutes is more likely to earn 10+ than someone who doesn't play at all. Why would you think the latter likely? Minutes are a zero sum game. Hayes not only has to get better, but everyone above him has to materially get worse. The bigs are slumping right now, but we know III isn't knee-jerk like this board -- and that's a good thing. Hayes could be improving and STILL not be as good as Moses. I know you are going to come back with the "he should try everything!" But no, he shouldn't. His job is to evaluate the best decision to win. This is a man who played Caprio at center. He's not afraid to do some unorthodox things. He's not dumb. I don't know why it's that hard to believe that as bad as Moses is playing, it's his best evaluation that Bradley Hayes is currently not a better option. And I don't know why it is inconceivable to you that he may know some things that if you knew, you might actually agree with him. I'm not saying people need to TTS on everything; but the sheer lack of acknowledgement that Hayes really may be so obviously not ready in practice that it's a bad decision to play him when we are literally teetering on the edge of the tourney is baffling to me. A win means more right now than in many recent years. Caris Levert from Michigan.. They were going to RS him but changed their minds after he kept playing so well in practice.. Cameron played minutes of 6, 18, 15, 10 & 14 in games to start the year.. He hasn't had one DNP all season, he's had games where he only played 4 minutes but he played.. To me he was instantly a rotation player. Same with Jabril his 1st year, he didn't have a DNP either his freshman year.. I was asking about kids who racked up DNP's to start but ended up playing solid minutes in the end.. Summers, Roy, Owens ect.. always played, they probably played more at the end but they always got playing time.. I definitely don't agree with the reasoning that another player has to get worse in order for another player to get time.. Seriously how can Moses play worse? He has 3 boards in his last 26 minutes of play and zero blocks.. To me if a player is consistently sub par in his play you should look at other options.. Honestly this sticks in my craw because I feel they've mishandled his career thus far.. If he's honestly this bad why did they bring him back this year? It was very obvious with Josh coming on board there'd be no playing time for him so why waste his eligibility? How has this not been a waste of 2 years of a kids college career? If Moses was grabbing 6.5 boards & Blocking 1.5 shots a game I wouldn't say a peep.. It would still bother me that Hayes's finite time is being tossed in the garbage but I'd acknowledge the bigger picture.. This to me is the worst of both worlds..
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