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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 26, 2015 22:10:38 GMT -5
Just like early in this thread I was right about Hayes needing to play...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 26, 2015 23:23:53 GMT -5
Mark it right here!!!! The man on the little red bus said it. Bradley will not start nor receive a large amount of playing time next year. JTIII will live and die with Govan. He will play Govan like he did Monroe. Hayes will see small amount of minutes based on foul trouble or garbage time. His minutes will increase about 10%. Just like early in this thread I was right about Hayes needing to play, I will be proven right about this declaration as well. If Govan is as good as Monroe he should play as much as Monroe. That's really not something that would be questionable. Really as long as Govan is better than Hayes (almost certain) he should play more. You say Hayes "needed" to play but you do not identify any games that would have ended differently had that happened. The fact that he performed pretty well in the tournament almost proves that extra minutes here and there weren't necessary.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 26, 2015 23:40:25 GMT -5
Watching some of the other bigs in the tournament, I think JTIII needs to not force a square peg into a round hole and use Hayes in a way that will maximize his contributions. Hayes was successful against EWU because his role was limited, rebounds and putbacks. I've seen him hit the 12 ft baseline jumper too. He has better hands than Hopkins so maybe some pick and roll too, but te way that ND uses Zach Auguste and Arizona uses Kaleb Tarczewski is what I'd like to see. The caveat to that is both teams have guys that can pass off the dribble by drawing defenders and this unfortunately isn't a key strength of any of our perimeter players.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 26, 2015 23:52:52 GMT -5
Mark it right here!!!! The man on the little red bus said it. Bradley will not start nor receive a large amount of playing time next year. JTIII will live and die with Govan. He will play Govan like he did Monroe. Hayes will see small amount of minutes based on foul trouble or garbage time. His minutes will increase about 10%. Just like early in this thread I was right about Hayes needing to play, I will be proven right about this declaration as well. If Govan is as good as Monroe he should play as much as Monroe. That's really not something that would be questionable. Really as long as Govan is better than Hayes (almost certain) he should play more. You say Hayes "needed" to play but you do not identify any games that would have ended differently had that happened. The fact that he performed pretty well in the tournament almost proves that extra minutes here and there weren't necessary. Honestly, a smallish increase in playing time would be fine by me -- we need him to be a solid backup; if he's a big minutes guy, it means the players we should be counting on more aren't doing enough or are in foul trouble too often. If B Hayes can be a solid contributor in increased, but not major, minutes, he would be another great piece of the puzzle. I am very happy how he came along this year, and that by the end he was ready and able to contribute important minutes for us. Kudos to the kid for the effort, and for the staff for bringing him along to this point, and here's to hoping he has a solid season next year -- there will be some matchups where he could really help the team out.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Mar 27, 2015 7:08:09 GMT -5
Mark it right here!!!! The man on the little red bus said it. Bradley will not start nor receive a large amount of playing time next year. JTIII will live and die with Govan. He will play Govan like he did Monroe. Hayes will see small amount of minutes based on foul trouble or garbage time. His minutes will increase about 10%. Just like early in this thread I was right about Hayes needing to play, I will be proven right about this declaration as well. If Govan is as good as Monroe he should play as much as Monroe. That's really not something that would be questionable. Really as long as Govan is better than Hayes (almost certain) he should play more. You say Hayes "needed" to play but you do not identify any games that would have ended differently had that happened. The fact that he performed pretty well in the tournament almost proves that extra minutes here and there weren't necessary. What Game? The season would have been different. Hayes should have been the starting Center his sophomore year. I think Hayes would have made a bigger impact on the defensive end of the ball. He is better in Pick and Roll situations as well I think he would have provide more length and quickness to play more zone this year.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 27, 2015 7:41:50 GMT -5
If Govan is as good as Monroe he should play as much as Monroe. That's really not something that would be questionable. Really as long as Govan is better than Hayes (almost certain) he should play more. You say Hayes "needed" to play but you do not identify any games that would have ended differently had that happened. The fact that he performed pretty well in the tournament almost proves that extra minutes here and there weren't necessary. What Game? The season would have been different. Hayes should have been the starting Center his sophomore year. I think Hayes would have made a bigger impact on the defensive end of the ball. He is better in Pick and Roll situations as well I think he would have provide more length and quickness to play more zone this year. Wow. Your insights are amazing. Would you be amenable to being hired as a talent scout/recruiter/assistant coach/coach? I mean off relatively little evidence you can reach -- that's the word -- seemingly knowledgeable conclusions. You truly have a GIFT. God bless you!
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 27, 2015 8:15:02 GMT -5
What Game? The season would have been different. Hayes should have been the starting Center his sophomore year. I think Hayes would have made a bigger impact on the defensive end of the ball. He is better in Pick and Roll situations as well I think he would have provide more length and quickness to play more zone this year. Wow. Your insights are amazing. Would you be amenable to being hired as a talent scout/recruiter/assistant coach/coach? I mean off relatively little evidence you can reach -- that's the word -- seemingly knowledgeable conclusions. You truly have a GIFT. God bless you! It's not rocket science
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Post by prhoya on Mar 27, 2015 8:23:18 GMT -5
If Govan is as good as Monroe he should play as much as Monroe. That's really not something that would be questionable. Really as long as Govan is better than Hayes (almost certain) he should play more. You say Hayes "needed" to play but you do not identify any games that would have ended differently had that happened. The fact that he performed pretty well in the tournament almost proves that extra minutes here and there weren't necessary. What Game? The season would have been different. Hayes should have been the starting Center his sophomore year. I think Hayes would have made a bigger impact on the defensive end of the ball. He is better in Pick and Roll situations as well I think he would have provide more length and quickness to play more zone this year. As anyone can tell from this thread, I was one of the fans calling for more pt (5 mpg) for Bradley, but starting center as a soph is a 7' stretch. His FT stroke is different every time for a 10 of 19 in FTs at GU. As Hops and Smith, he is not a threat from outside his hook range, so his defender will back off when we're doing our hand-off offense around the perimeter. One defender will be able to guard Bradley and the ohter GU player doing the handoff while his defender can clog the lanes.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 27, 2015 8:32:29 GMT -5
If Govan is as good as Monroe he should play as much as Monroe. That's really not something that would be questionable. Really as long as Govan is better than Hayes (almost certain) he should play more. You say Hayes "needed" to play but you do not identify any games that would have ended differently had that happened. The fact that he performed pretty well in the tournament almost proves that extra minutes here and there weren't necessary. What Game? The season would have been different. Hayes should have been the starting Center his sophomore year. I think Hayes would have made a bigger impact on the defensive end of the ball. He is better in Pick and Roll situations as well I think he would have provide more length and quickness to play more zone this year. I believe everyone can agree Bradley Hayes was the most effective center that night against Eastern Washington. I think that JTIII has a picture of Bradley Hayes that will not change any time soon. The most recent example is the way Hayes dominated Eastern Washington in the 1st half when JTIII was forced to play him. Despite being the 1st half MVP of that game, Bradley Hayes not only did not start the 2nd half but barely played for the rest of the game.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 27, 2015 8:35:04 GMT -5
You say Hayes "needed" to play but you do not identify any games that would have ended differently had that happened. The fact that he performed pretty well in the tournament almost proves that extra minutes here and there weren't necessary. The season would have been different, not one game. Pick any game where Smith was off or when he was out of breath and ready to foul. Or, pick any game where Hops was off or had picked his first two fouls in the first half. Why not use Bradley to stretch Hops and Smith's available minutes or pt without foul trouble instead of playing carefully to not pick up the next foul and have to sit or play tired? Why not find out what he can do instead of be surprised every year in March? I don't understand the second sentence. The fact that he performed well when JT3 was forced to use him in the tournament last year proved that he should have been used a lot this season, not wait a year and bring him out when forced in March.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 27, 2015 8:36:26 GMT -5
Watching some of the other bigs in the tournament, I think JTIII needs to not force a square peg into a round hole and use Hayes in a way that will maximize his contributions. Hayes was successful against EWU because his role was limited, rebounds and putbacks. I've seen him hit the 12 ft baseline jumper too. He has better hands than Hopkins so maybe some pick and roll too, but te way that ND uses Zach Auguste and Arizona uses Kaleb Tarczewski is what I'd like to see. The caveat to that is both teams have guys that can pass off the dribble by drawing defenders and this unfortunately isn't a key strength of any of our perimeter players. He was also being guarded by a completely overmatched 6'6" "power forward."
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Post by prhoya on Mar 27, 2015 8:45:41 GMT -5
What Game? The season would have been different. Hayes should have been the starting Center his sophomore year. I think Hayes would have made a bigger impact on the defensive end of the ball. He is better in Pick and Roll situations as well I think he would have provide more length and quickness to play more zone this year. I believe everyone can agree Bradley Hayes was the most effective center that night against Eastern Washington. I think that JTIII has a picture of Bradley Hayes that will not change any time soon. The most recent example is the way Hayes dominated Eastern Washington in the 1st half when JTIII was forced to play him. Despite being the 1st half MVP of that game, Bradley Hayes not only did not start the 2nd half but barely played for the rest of the game. Next year JT3 will be forced to use him. No way getting around it...
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 27, 2015 8:46:18 GMT -5
With Hayes, are we making too much of a single game performance against one of the smaller teams we played all season? His offensive rebounding in that game sure looked more about being bigger and taller than everyone else versus the use of some newfound talent.
No question Hayes has the ability to be better offensively than Hopkins and better defensively than Smith. So he is serviceable, but he does neither well enough right now to be this excited.
There is definitely more reason now than ever to beleive Hayes can contribute in his senior year, but I think we are getting carried away to think he is going to make a Henry Sims jump - those are not fair expectations for Hayes.
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Post by matersammich on Mar 27, 2015 8:51:22 GMT -5
With Hayes, are we making too much of a single game performance against one of the smaller teams we played all season? His offensive rebounding in that game sure looked more about being bigger and taller than everyone else versus the use of some newfound talent. No question Hayes has the ability to be better offensively than Hopkins and better defensively than Smith. So he is serviceable, but he does neither well enough right now to be this excited. There is definitely more reason now than ever to beleive Hayes can contribute in his senior year, but I think we are getting carried away to think he is going to make a Henry Sims jump - those are not fair expectations for Hayes. Henry's jump was pretty incredible... He transformed into an NBA player. While I hope Hayes can make that leap I agree it isn't a fair expectation to put on him.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 27, 2015 8:52:16 GMT -5
Watching some of the other bigs in the tournament, I think JTIII needs to not force a square peg into a round hole and use Hayes in a way that will maximize his contributions. Hayes was successful against EWU because his role was limited, rebounds and putbacks. I've seen him hit the 12 ft baseline jumper too. He has better hands than Hopkins so maybe some pick and roll too, but te way that ND uses Zach Auguste and Arizona uses Kaleb Tarczewski is what I'd like to see. The caveat to that is both teams have guys that can pass off the dribble by drawing defenders and this unfortunately isn't a key strength of any of our perimeter players. He was also being guarded by a completely overmatched 6'6" "power forward." Venky Jois is listed at 6'-8" by ESPN, the same by draft express, CBS Sportsline ect.. EWU's sophomore Milijkovic is 6'-7" Those were their 2 bigs.. Neither are 6'-6".. Why downplay his accomplishments? Especially after seeing Smith & Hopkins fail to take advantage of the same line-up.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 27, 2015 8:54:47 GMT -5
With Hayes, are we making too much of a single game performance against one of the smaller teams we played all season? His offensive rebounding in that game sure looked more about being bigger and taller than everyone else versus the use of some newfound talent. No question Hayes has the ability to be better offensively than Hopkins and better defensively than Smith. So he is serviceable, but he does neither well enough right now to be this excited. There is definitely more reason now than ever to beleive Hayes can contribute in his senior year, but I think we are getting carried away to think he is going to make a Henry Sims jump - those are not fair expectations for Hayes. We're not making too much of a single performance. Why is the FSU performance as a soph forgotten? I guess it's better to make some point if that performance did not exist. It's this notion that what he did last year vs FSU in the NIT did not merit pt this year when Hops and Smith were what they are. How couldn't JT3 figure pt for Hayes throughout this season? It's not about getting excited, it is what it is.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 27, 2015 8:55:58 GMT -5
He was also being guarded by a completely overmatched 6'6" "power forward." Venky Jois is listed at 6'-8" by ESPN, the same by draft express, CBS Sportsline ect.. EWU's sophomore Milijkovic is 6'-7" Those were their 2 bigs.. Neither are 6'-6".. Why downplay his accomplishments? Especially after seeing Smith & Hopkins fail to take advantage of the same line-up. Jois would have eaten Cope or White alive.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 27, 2015 9:01:34 GMT -5
Watching some of the other bigs in the tournament, I think JTIII needs to not force a square peg into a round hole and use Hayes in a way that will maximize his contributions. Hayes was successful against EWU because his role was limited, rebounds and putbacks. I've seen him hit the 12 ft baseline jumper too. He has better hands than Hopkins so maybe some pick and roll too, but te way that ND uses Zach Auguste and Arizona uses Kaleb Tarczewski is what I'd like to see. The caveat to that is both teams have guys that can pass off the dribble by drawing defenders and this unfortunately isn't a key strength of any of our perimeter players. He was also being guarded by a completely overmatched 6'6" "power forward." I'm not disagreeing, but he's a decent rebounder and you can't teach his size. Tarczewski was not impressive in the least, totally outplayed by Stainbrook, but he still ended up with a double double because he had 2 inches on him and an even longer reach. Arizona's best rebounder is probably Hollis-Jefferson anyway. I'm not extrapolating the we missed on some sort of major contribution by not playing Hayes, I just think going forward we're gonna need 10-15 mins from him at the 5 and it'd be a lot more effective to use him in situations where he can be successful. I think he can provide some production if used the same way those teams use their bigs.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 27, 2015 9:01:45 GMT -5
I believe everyone can agree Bradley Hayes was the most effective center that night against Eastern Washington. I think that JTIII has a picture of Bradley Hayes that will not change any time soon. The most recent example is the way Hayes dominated Eastern Washington in the 1st half when JTIII was forced to play him. Despite being the 1st half MVP of that game, Bradley Hayes not only did not start the 2nd half but barely played for the rest of the game. Next year JT3 will be forced to use him. No way getting around it... In a lot of ways, the treatment of Bradley Hayes reminds me of how Henry Sims was treated. Freshmen year not red-shirted and played limited minutes behind Greg Monroe. Then Sims played minimal minutes and had to sit behind a limited Julian Vaughn during his Sophomore and Junior years until JTIII was forced to use Sims in a major/starting role his Senior year.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 27, 2015 9:05:26 GMT -5
With Hayes, are we making too much of a single game performance against one of the smaller teams we played all season? His offensive rebounding in that game sure looked more about being bigger and taller than everyone else versus the use of some newfound talent. No question Hayes has the ability to be better offensively than Hopkins and better defensively than Smith. So he is serviceable, but he does neither well enough right now to be this excited. There is definitely more reason now than ever to beleive Hayes can contribute in his senior year, but I think we are getting carried away to think he is going to make a Henry Sims jump - those are not fair expectations for Hayes. Folks are forgetting the 2 nice passes he threw in the EWU game.. One led to a PW basket, the other to Tre led to good ball movement. Also folks are ignoring his 4 boards in 8 minutes against Utah as well.. Hayes can't stretch the D with his shot but with his height/length he can see over the top of most defenders.. Couple that with the height/ length of Copeland, White, Agua more passes should be able to be thrown over the top to cutting players.. Most defenders guard against the bounce pass when covering cutters which prevents a lot of passes from being thrown, use Hayes to go over the top some.. He won't make a Henry jump but I do believe he'll be a solid contributor next season..
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