hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 25, 2015 13:06:35 GMT -5
Bowen - medical. Moses - medical. Ewing - transfer, no redshirt. DJ - partial qualifier, or whatever the proper term is. No redshirts just to do it. To get an extra year is a red shirt. Don't care what the reason. They Red shirted. If Ewing had used his Red Shirt at Indiana he would have only had 1 year at GTown. He wouldn't got 2 years because he transferred. Owens was able to use his Red shirt for his non qualifier year. Student-Athletes are only allowed 4 years of playing eligibility. If they had 5 years on the team, they took a red Shirt somewhere. I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you, because you are wrong. I suggest you go back and read the original post, which said "redshirted anyone to give them an extra year to develop", which we have not. Medical redshirt seasons are not taken to give a kid an extra year to develop. Ewing did not redshirt. Neither did DJ. If you want to extend the definition of the term beyond its meaning, that's on you.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 25, 2015 13:54:10 GMT -5
Not an "excuse" - if we don't do it, we don't do it. That is a staff philosophy. The fact that the fans might want you to does not matter. And I can certainly see a kid not wanting to commit an entire extra year for just a possibilty for some extra PT that fifth year. Yes many kids would do it, but not necessarily all of them. That's fair, if it's JT3's philosophy.. The same principal worked out well for him with Owens & Pat Jr. It wasn't awful for Bowen and didn't hurt in the case of Moses.. The player isn't losing a year though Frazier, they're actually saving a year.. It's a win/win no matter how you slice it in my eyes.. I'd bet a grip of money Hayes would give back the 14 minutes of PT his freshman year for another season of eligibility .. We can agree to disagree though.. Yeah now he would, but that's having the luxury of knowing the outcome of a very hard decision......and it's not even for sure if he would.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 25, 2015 14:06:24 GMT -5
Not an "excuse" - if we don't do it, we don't do it. That is a staff philosophy. The fact that the fans might want you to does not matter. And I can certainly see a kid not wanting to commit an entire extra year for just a possibilty for some extra PT that fifth year. Yes many kids would do it, but not necessarily all of them. That's fair, if it's JT3's philosophy.. The same principal worked out well for him with Owens & Pat Jr. It wasn't awful for Bowen and didn't hurt in the case of Moses.. The player isn't losing a year though Frazier, they're actually saving a year.. It's a win/win no matter how you slice it in my eyes.. I'd bet a grip of money Hayes would give back the 14 minutes of PT his freshman year for another season of eligibility .. We can agree to disagree though.. You may be right about Bradley of course. And I would love to see him have 2 years left, I think he still can be a solid contributor. So maybe we don't disagree that much!
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Post by michaeldm9 on Mar 25, 2015 14:14:26 GMT -5
To get an extra year is a red shirt. Don't care what the reason. They Red shirted. If Ewing had used his Red Shirt at Indiana he would have only had 1 year at GTown. He wouldn't got 2 years because he transferred. Owens was able to use his Red shirt for his non qualifier year. Student-Athletes are only allowed 4 years of playing eligibility. If they had 5 years on the team, they took a red Shirt somewhere. I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you, because you are wrong. I suggest you go back and read the original post, which said "redshirted anyone to give them an extra year to develop", which we have not. Medical redshirt seasons are not taken to give a kid an extra year to develop. Ewing did not redshirt. Neither did DJ. If you want to extend the definition of the term beyond its meaning, that's on you. Whatever. Read the NCAA rule books. Ewing was Red Shirt. As well as Owens. 5th year is granted via Red Shirt Rules. Period. Understand the rules for Red Shirting and it has nothing to do with Players development. Has to do with playing time.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 25, 2015 14:26:08 GMT -5
I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you, because you are wrong. I suggest you go back and read the original post, which said "redshirted anyone to give them an extra year to develop", which we have not. Medical redshirt seasons are not taken to give a kid an extra year to develop. Ewing did not redshirt. Neither did DJ. If you want to extend the definition of the term beyond its meaning, that's on you. Whatever. Read the NCAA rule books. Ewing was Red Shirt. As well as Owens. 5th year is granted via Red Shirt Rules. Period. Understand the rules for Red Shirting and it has nothing to do with Players development. Has to do with playing time. Understanding the rules of red shirting should be a prerequisite to participating in this conversation.
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Post by Filo on Mar 25, 2015 15:50:41 GMT -5
Whatever. Read the NCAA rule books. Ewing was Red Shirt. As well as Owens. 5th year is granted via Red Shirt Rules. Period. Understand the rules for Red Shirting and it has nothing to do with Players development. Has to do with playing time. Understanding the rules of red shirting should be a prerequisite to participating in this conversation. Here is the exchange. Has Georgetown ever redshirted anyone to give them an extra year to develop? I can think of no one, of significance or otherwise. Bowen, Moses, Ewing, Darrel Owens under JTIII If someone can't see who it wrong and who is right, he or she is either dim or just being purposefully obtuse.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 25, 2015 19:08:00 GMT -5
If you sit a year for transfer that is not a redshirt. It is not playing because you are not eligible to play. Medical redshirts consist of regaining eligibility lost because of injury. In both cases, player development is not the driving factor though it might be an ancillary benefit.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 25, 2015 20:14:12 GMT -5
If you sit a year for transfer that is not a redshirt. It is not playing because you are not eligible to play. Medical redshirts consist of regaining eligibility lost because of injury. In both cases, player development is not the driving factor though it might be an ancillary benefit. I wore a red shirt after work on Monday. I redshirted Monday night. I did it for purposes of developing my sleep game. It didn't help. But I totally redshirted Monday night. As a result, I get an extra night next week. If you don't believe me, you can check the rule book.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 25, 2015 20:25:05 GMT -5
I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you, because you are wrong. I suggest you go back and read the original post, which said "redshirted anyone to give them an extra year to develop", which we have not. Medical redshirt seasons are not taken to give a kid an extra year to develop. Ewing did not redshirt. Neither did DJ. If you want to extend the definition of the term beyond its meaning, that's on you. Whatever. Read the NCAA rule books. Ewing was Red Shirt. As well as Owens. 5th year is granted via Red Shirt Rules. Period. Understand the rules for Red Shirting and it has nothing to do with Players development. Has to do with playing time. I think micaeldm9 rode the red bus to school - the short red bus.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 25, 2015 22:37:51 GMT -5
Whatever. Read the NCAA rule books. Ewing was Red Shirt. As well as Owens. 5th year is granted via Red Shirt Rules. Period. Understand the rules for Red Shirting and it has nothing to do with Players development. Has to do with playing time. I think micaeldm9 rode the red bus to school - the short red bus. Too early in the off season. Just too early.
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Post by aristides on Mar 26, 2015 10:27:43 GMT -5
I have to say, Hayes's free throw stroke in the Eastern Washington game looked really smooth. It's the first time I really noticed it but I did a double take. His career stats indicate that he's a poor free throw shooter but now I'm wondering if the sample size has just been too small and is consequently misleading.
Probably no surprise to anyone by now but I think I'm fully on board the Hayes bandwagon, and not just cause he sank two free throws. I just look at the guy and see someone who can have a major impact at the position. 7 feet, good attitude, and really moves well for that size... His inability to crack the rotation is concerning, but I'm a believer nevertheless.
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Post by vv83 on Mar 26, 2015 12:07:27 GMT -5
Hayes shot quite a few free throws in the Kenner league this summer - he hit around 50% on an average of about 4 attempts per game. He tended to be streaky - within a given game, either he would make most of them, or miss everything. His shot can get real flat, and that is when he seemed to really struggle from the line.
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Post by beenaround on Mar 26, 2015 14:15:27 GMT -5
I loved what Hayes did for us in 20 mins against EWU. For the first time, I actually felt some hope that he could be a real player for us. But for anyone to be convinced in his ability to be a solid BE center, based on his body of work , seems somewhat crazy to me.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 26, 2015 14:42:41 GMT -5
I loved what Hayes did for us in 20 mins against EWU. For the first time, I actually felt some hope that he could be a real player for us. But for anyone to be convinced in his ability to be a solid BE center, based on his body of work , seems somewhat crazy to me. It was 10 mins. Due to how the staff played it this year, we're starting from scratch next year. The center starting spot is wide open and I think we'll be doing the center-by-committee again. How many minutes can we expect from Bradley? No one can answer reasonably. This is one of the reasons why he should have been those 5 mpg this year.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 26, 2015 14:56:51 GMT -5
I loved what Hayes did for us in 20 mins against EWU. For the first time, I actually felt some hope that he could be a real player for us. But for anyone to be convinced in his ability to be a solid BE center, based on his body of work , seems somewhat crazy to me. It was 10 mins. Due to how the staff played it this year, we're starting from scratch next year. The center starting spot is wide open and I think we'll be doing the center-by-committee again. How many minutes can we expect from Bradley? No one can answer reasonably. This is one of the reasons why he should have been those 5 mpg this year. The coaching staff can answer that reasonably. The same can't be said for us posters.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 26, 2015 15:13:39 GMT -5
It was 10 mins. Due to how the staff played it this year, we're starting from scratch next year. The center starting spot is wide open and I think we'll be doing the center-by-committee again. How many minutes can we expect from Bradley? No one can answer reasonably. This is one of the reasons why he should have been those 5 mpg this year. The coaching staff can answer that reasonably. The same can't be said for us posters. Not even the coaching staff as JT3 expressed...didn't he say "unbelievable" to Bradley's performance?
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Post by michaeldm9 on Mar 26, 2015 17:42:09 GMT -5
Mark it right here!!!! The man on the little red bus said it. Bradley will not start nor receive a large amount of playing time next year. JTIII will live and die with Govan. He will play Govan like he did Monroe. Hayes will see small amount of minutes based on foul trouble or garbage time. His minutes will increase about 10%. Just like early in this thread I was right about Hayes needing to play, I will be proven right about this declaration as well.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 26, 2015 18:01:18 GMT -5
Mark it right here!!!! The man on the little red bus said it. Bradley will not start nor receive a large amount of playing time next year. JTIII will live and die with Govan. He will play Govan like he did Monroe. Hayes will see small amount of minutes based on foul trouble or garbage time. His minutes will increase about 10%. Just like early in this thread I was right about Hayes needing to play, I will be proven right about this declaration as well. Would that make you feel better about yourself? You seem to live for "I told you so". I think you also forget how highly touted Monroe was coming in. He was a 5 star, top 10 player, and number 1 at his position. He wasn't going anywhere he wasn't going to start day 1. Govan is a top 50 player, talented for sure but not at the same caliber.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 26, 2015 18:14:46 GMT -5
Mark it right here!!!! The man on the little red bus said it. Bradley will not start nor receive a large amount of playing time next year. JTIII will live and die with Govan. He will play Govan like he did Monroe. Hayes will see small amount of minutes based on foul trouble or garbage time. His minutes will increase about 10%. Just like early in this thread I was right about Hayes needing to play, I will be proven right about this declaration as well. Would that make you feel better about yourself? You seem to live for "I told you so". I think you also forget how highly touted Monroe was coming in. He was a 5 star, top 10 player, and number 1 at his position. He wasn't going anywhere he wasn't going to start day 1. Govan is a top 50 player, talented for sure but not at the same caliber. What, you don't remember the threads from 2008-09? "Greg Monroe Is Killing Us" "JTIII insists on starting Greg because of self-internal jealousy toward Julian and Nikita" Or the thread from 2011 "Did Henry Simms [sic] have a better freshman year than Greg?"
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Post by michaeldm9 on Mar 26, 2015 19:17:13 GMT -5
Would that make you feel better about yourself? You seem to live for "I told you so". I think you also forget how highly touted Monroe was coming in. He was a 5 star, top 10 player, and number 1 at his position. He wasn't going anywhere he wasn't going to start day 1. Govan is a top 50 player, talented for sure but not at the same caliber. What, you don't remember the threads from 2008-09? "Greg Monroe Is Killing Us" "JTIII insists on starting Greg because of self-internal jealousy toward Julian and Nikita" Or the thread from 2011 "Did Henry Simms [sic] have a better freshman year than Greg?" LMAO!!!!!!
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