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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 14, 2014 10:49:03 GMT -5
Why is the assumption always that people aren't working hard? Who says Bradley Hayes hasn't been in the gym all year? I only use Hayes as an example. We know DSR and Starks did extra free throw practice because they said so. Unless some of you have ties to the program and players, how do we know who is working hard and who isn't? Clearly, we want our guys working hard to improve. Sometimes that's the answer - especially for guys who need to develop. But sometimes, hard work isn't all there is to it. I'll throw out the cliche. Practice Doesn't Make Perfect. Perfect Practice Makes Perfect. Yeah I don't see that assumption either. Every coach tells his players what they need to work on the most in the off-season. And probably makes some reference to "work hard", even though it is a coaching cliché. Telling a kid to work hard in no way means you think he hasn't been working hard before. Maybe "keep working hard" is a better term. Because I think we probably do a pretty good job of bringing in kids who are willing to do the work. It seems that almost all of the Hoyas in the NBA the last 10 years have been praised by their coaches for their work ethic.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 14, 2014 11:08:42 GMT -5
Why is the assumption always that people aren't working hard? Who says Bradley Hayes hasn't been in the gym all year? I only use Hayes as an example. We know DSR and Starks did extra free throw practice because they said so. Unless some of you have ties to the program and players, how do we know who is working hard and who isn't? Clearly, we want our guys working hard to improve. Sometimes that's the answer - especially for guys who need to develop. But sometimes, hard work isn't all there is to it. I'll throw out the cliche. Practice Doesn't Make Perfect. Perfect Practice Makes Perfect. I didn't read where anyone is asserting/assuming that. There have been assertions that some guys may not have improved enough to earn time. Not that they aren't necessarily working hard. Then again, a guy like DSR who clearly got into better shape and worked on his conditioning and free throws and midrange, it's easy to see. There's a difference between working hard and working hard. If you don't put the hours in, you aren't going to improve as much as guys who do.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 25, 2014 8:46:53 GMT -5
Stats vs FSU
13 mins, 1/2 FG's, 2/2 FT's
4pts, 4rebs, 1 stl
Played the most mins. to date...looked raw but that is still expected
Work on your hands in the off-season as you bobble passes a lil too much
Definitely a force on the glass just based on your sheer height...wished u would have gotten more mins. during the season
Liked the energy you brought and your upside.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 25, 2014 8:57:53 GMT -5
Stats vs FSU
13 mins, 1/2 FG's, 2/2 FT's 4pts, 4rebs, 1 stl Played the most mins. to date...looked raw but that is still expected Work on your hands in the off-season as you bobble passes a lil too much Definitely a force on the glass just based on your sheer height...wished u would have gotten more mins. during the season Liked the energy you brought and your upside. It's beyond shameful that another year of eligibility has been wasted and there's still no clear indication of what he's capable of.. Smh..
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Post by dungeon ball on Mar 25, 2014 9:06:05 GMT -5
"Beyond shameful" is a wee much. It's "beyond shameful" to let your players continue playing after they've punched their girlfriends.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 25, 2014 9:13:08 GMT -5
I think it's a stretch to say there's "no clear indication of what he's capable of." I think even in his limited time, Hayes has shown that he can rebound pretty well, he's very raw offensively, and otherwise a bit shaky. As I've said in other threads, I think our frontcourt has slowly deteriorated throughout the season. First, Josh Smith went out. Then, Hopkins seemed to begin losing confidence. And all of our guys could not stay out of foul trouble.
In hindsight, I agree Hayes probably should have gotten some more time (given the lack of production from everybody else), but I think the frontcourt situation became far more dire as time passed, which is part of the reason we saw a little more Hayes at the end of the year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 9:16:12 GMT -5
Pretty sure we know what he can do at this point….
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 25, 2014 9:42:40 GMT -5
I think it's a stretch to say there's "no clear indication of what he's capable of." I think even in his limited time, Hayes has shown that he can rebound pretty well, he's very raw offensively, and otherwise a bit shaky. As I've said in other threads, I think our frontcourt has slowly deteriorated throughout the season. First, Josh Smith went out. Then, Hopkins seemed to begin losing confidence. And all of our guys could not stay out of foul trouble. In hindsight, I agree Hayes probably should have gotten some more time (given the lack of production from everybody else), but I think the frontcourt situation became far more dire as time passed, which is part of the reason we saw a little more Hayes at the end of the year. We as fans knew what Moses was from game 1 this year, he's the same low production player he's always been.. Hayes should have been given his time in the ooc part of the year.. Josh goes out and JT3 actually played Moses more instead of trying out Hayes.. This isn't hindsight for me... The staff has done a bad job with this kid..
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 25, 2014 9:44:03 GMT -5
Pretty sure we know what he can do at this point…. How can you in such little playing time?
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 25, 2014 9:46:22 GMT -5
Pretty sure we know what he can do at this point…. How can you in such little playing time? By being perceptive and knowledgeable.....
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 25, 2014 9:52:11 GMT -5
What part of "If you do that {work as hard as you ever have} you will have the chance to compete for playing time" did you not understand? And yeah, we do have to play by the rules. And maybe some of the playing time decisions the last few years, and the transfers that have occurred, are directly related to how hard certain players work. I don't know. But I have no doubt that the staff frequently makes it clear to every guy on the team that you earn time by working hard and improving. Now some players who don't perform consistently, or don't improve noticeably, may keep their minutes only because others don't improve. But I just can't believe that JTIII would ever fail to play the guys whom he believes give him the best chance to win.I have agreed in the past, but i'm not sure sometimes. Care to explain why you feel this way?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 25, 2014 10:00:44 GMT -5
Why wouldn't JT3 player the guys who he believes give him the best chance to win? That would mean JT3 was consciously making the team worse than it needs to be, which is crazy. There is no indication - and never has been - that JT3 wants to do anything but win.
Now, you may disagree with who JT3 thinks gives him the best shot at winning, but that's a whole other question.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 25, 2014 10:06:41 GMT -5
Stats vs FSU
13 mins, 1/2 FG's, 2/2 FT's 4pts, 4rebs, 1 stl Played the most mins. to date...looked raw but that is still expected Work on your hands in the off-season as you bobble passes a lil too much Definitely a force on the glass just based on your sheer height...wished u would have gotten more mins. during the season Liked the energy you brought and your upside. It's beyond shameful that another year of eligibility has been wasted and there's still no clear indication of what he's capable of.. Smh.. You may have no idea what he's capable. I'm pretty sure the staff knows exactly where he's at.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 25, 2014 10:10:08 GMT -5
Pretty sure we know what he can do at this point…. I don't think this is true. I think people forget how raw / inexperienced Hayes is. He played one full season in high school due to injury problems as a sophomore/junior and he wasn't a big until he had a major growth spurt his junior year. There's definitely still room for growth if he works at it.
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Post by chep3 on Mar 25, 2014 10:13:42 GMT -5
I think he could emerge as a solid defender/rebounder. He's enormous, but shows promise to me on that end. He's looked decently comfortable in the couple of games where he's gotten decent minutes. But boy are his hands bad--Moses like bad. He needs to carry around an egg or some sort of thing that James Caan would've done in The Program. I'm coming around to the view that he should've taken some of Moses's minutes as the year went on. He probably gets in the way offensively in a way that I'm not attuned to (as the coaches would be). I'm hopeful that he can be the defensive big that we're lacking for the next two years.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 25, 2014 10:18:29 GMT -5
His lateral movement stinks. He picked up a couple fouls last night on that alone. Offensively, he has nothing. I think I would let Moses graduate and give his minutes to Hayes next year as they are both fouling machines. Hopkins propensity to foul is insane. None of those calls were bad last night against him. We will need Josh for O next year but we will need scoring out of Copeland & White both inside & out to be more balanced. It also wouldn't hurt if our knock down shooter recruits (Cameron & Domingo) could actually knock them down Florida State style.
With the senior class and all the recruits there will be a ton of turnover. With the optional turnover (RS seniors) and the inevitable transfer which seems to happen with every program every year, I hope we can find depth with a 5th year inside presence somewhere.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 25, 2014 10:24:12 GMT -5
It's weird how his touch from the freebie line is better than when he's near the rim.. I think if he had hands like Roy, I think he would play more.. Hopefully, that is something that would get better with time.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 25, 2014 10:28:24 GMT -5
I agree that Bradley should get Moses's minutes next year. He is bigger and more of a presence on defense, although he is slower which led to him fouling at an almost Hop-like pace last night. He seems to have a sense of where he should be on the offensive end, but he moves so slowly and stiffly at times that he is not quite in the right place at the right time. Hopefully he can work on his footwork and quickness, and hopefully he can make a big jump in confidence between now and November.
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 25, 2014 10:40:22 GMT -5
It's Hayes decision on his future. The grass might be greener elsewhere, With as much foul trouble our bigs have had this season, one would think he would have gotten more run this year. Usually at the end of the soph year, the coach and the players sit down and discuss the options going forward. You can't teach seven foot, but the decision is obvious, as it was with Hollis for different reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 10:40:42 GMT -5
Pretty sure we know what he can do at this point…. How can you in such little playing time? I think the staff and players know what he can do, they see him everyday in practice, pick-up, Kenner etc… You’re right though “I" don’t know.
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