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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jun 8, 2014 5:39:40 GMT -5
We just have to hope that Allonzo was considered a GTown lean because he loved the program and not because it was the best choice at the time. If he only liked GTown because the bluebloods hadn't called yet then we are done. If he truly liked the program and truly is considering us then we are still in great position. I hope he wants to do something different and bring a C'ship to a school that hasn't won one in a few years. Even if he doesn't come to GTown I would be OK as long as it's not UK, KU, or UNC............ Best choice is something for him to decide. Even if we win a championship in the near future or 2 or 3 (can we please??), Georgetown will always be a very different animal than those other places if the past is any indication of the future (I hope it is in this case). We won't ever have an alumnus coming out saying that he had tutors write his papers and his classes were bogus. That's not Georgetown basketball or Georgetown the school. That's great for some and horrible for many. I couldn't help but think reading the latest about UNC, true or not, that if something like that was written about Georgetown, how would I feel? First off, no one would believe a word of it if it was an article about Georgetown. My sense is that pretty much everyone believes it about UNC. What more is there to say? They might be a blue blood in college basketball but at what cost? I'm happy to get guys like Jeff Green and Greg Monroe and Roy Hibbert and Jon Wallace and Alonzo Mourning and dozens and dozens of others that don't just enroll to play ball. Hell, Iverson went to class. I'd see him Tuesdays and Thursdays. Not some Tuesdays and Thursdays. ALL Tuesdays and Thursdays. Georgetown is different both to its credit and its detriment. The guys that choose to attend and find a good fit, almost to a man, make the rest of us look really good because they feel about the school how we feel about the school. If it's a bad fit and there's an easier road, of course many kids will pick that. Especially if they're a near lock for the draft. Having said that, there aren't many schools that talk about kids coming out of programs the way scouts talk about the guys that come out of Georgetown. Georgetown teaches basketball. The guys come out better than they came in. You learn to read the defenses and make the right pass or take the right shot. You learn to be a complete player. Talent can mask a lot of deficiencies. But more guys are Tim Duncan types than are LeBron James types. Tim Duncan isn't Tim Duncan without his time at Wake. LeBron is LeBron regardless. Most guys need that time to grow as a player. There aren't many programs that do it better than ours does. Both on and off the court. And that's not the easiest road or the easiest sell to a young guy. But, if you are one of the guys that chooses that path, it does pay its dividends. Second contract if nothing else. thing about trier's recruitment is that it has a lot to do with his handlers/advisers. kid is also blowing up, and those big dogs like KU/UK/UNC are showing growing interests. now the real real question is, will the hoyas bball program also play the game of recruitment dirty as others? a few of our incoming recruits also had handlers involved. the whole notion of only hoyas playing the game clean while rest of the whole nation playing it dirty might be a result of too much hoya blue in your blood...
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Post by daymondmyles on Jun 8, 2014 7:27:04 GMT -5
Which of our incoming recruits had true handlers involved? As good as this class is, I don't think we beat out any top program that plays dirty (UK, UNC, Duke, Uconn, Louisville, Arizona, Cuse, etc). We got Ike really early on before he blew up. Paul White's list of schools didn't really have any of the shady programs on it (other than Arizona which never really made him a priority and recruited over him and Uconn which was struggling at the time). Our main competition for Peak was South Carolina, Campbell was a local 3 star that liked us from the beginning and Mourning is self explanatory. Sounds like you are just speculating that because the class is good, we must have gotten our hands dirty.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jun 8, 2014 8:24:47 GMT -5
Best choice is something for him to decide. Even if we win a championship in the near future or 2 or 3 (can we please??), Georgetown will always be a very different animal than those other places if the past is any indication of the future (I hope it is in this case). We won't ever have an alumnus coming out saying that he had tutors write his papers and his classes were bogus. That's not Georgetown basketball or Georgetown the school. That's great for some and horrible for many. I couldn't help but think reading the latest about UNC, true or not, that if something like that was written about Georgetown, how would I feel? First off, no one would believe a word of it if it was an article about Georgetown. My sense is that pretty much everyone believes it about UNC. What more is there to say? They might be a blue blood in college basketball but at what cost? I'm happy to get guys like Jeff Green and Greg Monroe and Roy Hibbert and Jon Wallace and Alonzo Mourning and dozens and dozens of others that don't just enroll to play ball. Hell, Iverson went to class. I'd see him Tuesdays and Thursdays. Not some Tuesdays and Thursdays. ALL Tuesdays and Thursdays. Georgetown is different both to its credit and its detriment. The guys that choose to attend and find a good fit, almost to a man, make the rest of us look really good because they feel about the school how we feel about the school. If it's a bad fit and there's an easier road, of course many kids will pick that. Especially if they're a near lock for the draft. Having said that, there aren't many schools that talk about kids coming out of programs the way scouts talk about the guys that come out of Georgetown. Georgetown teaches basketball. The guys come out better than they came in. You learn to read the defenses and make the right pass or take the right shot. You learn to be a complete player. Talent can mask a lot of deficiencies. But more guys are Tim Duncan types than are LeBron James types. Tim Duncan isn't Tim Duncan without his time at Wake. LeBron is LeBron regardless. Most guys need that time to grow as a player. There aren't many programs that do it better than ours does. Both on and off the court. And that's not the easiest road or the easiest sell to a young guy. But, if you are one of the guys that chooses that path, it does pay its dividends. Second contract if nothing else. thing about trier's recruitment is that it has a lot to do with his handlers/advisers. kid is also blowing up, and those big dogs like KU/UK/UNC are showing growing interests. now the real real question is, will the hoyas bball program also play the game of recruitment dirty as others? a few of our incoming recruits also had handlers involved. the whole notion of only hoyas playing the game clean while rest of the whole nation playing it dirty might be a result of too much hoya blue in your blood... Yeah this isn't accurate... Haven't heard anything about trier having handlers. Moms is important in his decision. Only thing I've read like that
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jun 8, 2014 10:34:14 GMT -5
Let me ask you guys then what makes you guys think we are the only ones playing it clean while everyone else in the world all plays it dirty? Just because Duke and KU gets good players, i can also say YOU are speculating that they play it dirty because they have been getting good classes. Sure, Calipri has a record of playing it dirty, which was proven at Umass and Memphis. But him playing it dirty at Kentucky while getting paid about 7 million dollar per year can also be fetched as a speculation of the other butt hurt programs who have lost recruits to them.
Sure this is a hoyas board and I am a Hoya fan. But if we gonna play the game of recruiting just like other schools, we should stop whining about how we are the only school playing it clean while rest of 'em aren't, because that's not true. Sometimes you have the take the truth.
As of Trier, he is the one involved with the most handlers, believe it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 12:05:06 GMT -5
Which one of our incoming recruits had a Handler?
Cosmo’s right in the sense that a lot of the top guys have handlers and if you spend time landing those types of kids there will either be some shady stuff or at least the appearance of it..
Haven’t heard of a handler w/ Trier though
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 8, 2014 15:39:24 GMT -5
Let me ask you guys then what makes you guys think we are the only ones playing it clean while everyone else in the world all plays it dirty? Just because Duke and KU gets good players, i can also say YOU are speculating that they play it dirty because they have been getting good classes. Sure, Calipri has a record of playing it dirty, which was proven at Umass and Memphis. But him playing it dirty at Kentucky while getting paid about 7 million dollar per year can also be fetched as a speculation of the other butt hurt programs who have lost recruits to them. Sure this is a hoyas board and I am a Hoya fan. But if we gonna play the game of recruiting just like other schools, we should stop whining about how we are the only school playing it clean while rest of 'em aren't, because that's not true. Sometimes you have the take the truth. As of Trier, he is the one involved with the most handlers, believe it or not. I have never seen anyone on this board - and I mean anyone - suggest that "everyone else" is dirty or breaks the rules. That is just ridiculous hyperbole. Calipari earned his reputation, he has to live with that. And while you try to paint a broad brush for our incoming recruits, I have not seen any specifics to back it up. The fact that we may get involved with a kid who has "handlers" - and there are others on the board far more knowledgeable about our recruiting than you, so I will wait for confirmation from them - does not mean we are playing that game. Especially when we don't get a kid (like Noel) with those kind of ties.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 8, 2014 15:55:41 GMT -5
IMO, Cosmo is right. Everybody at least plays the gray, including us.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 8, 2014 18:39:49 GMT -5
IMO, Cosmo is right. Everybody at least plays the gray, including us. We play in the grey AND blue! (Black too sometimes)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 0:36:02 GMT -5
IMO, Cosmo is right. Everybody at least plays the gray, including us. I don’t think he was talking about playing the grey though?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 12:10:20 GMT -5
Allonzo Trier @iso_Zo 1m In 10 minutes at 12:15 I will be making an announcement about where I will be attending high school for my senior year.
Rumor is it’s Findlay Prep… Not good for us
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Post by lucky on Jun 9, 2014 12:16:47 GMT -5
Allonzo Trier@iso_Zo·14 secs My family and I have decided that I will transfer to Findlay Prep and play for coach Andy Johnson.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 12:21:03 GMT -5
That rumor which has been around for a couple weeks is why many thought our chances to land him had lessened… If you were wondering..
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jun 9, 2014 12:41:12 GMT -5
Yep. Not good. See ya later.
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 9, 2014 12:45:40 GMT -5
Even though the rumor was out there, it still caught some by surprise.
Like we did with our bigs, staff seems to have cast a wider net and are looking at several options at guard.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 9, 2014 12:46:34 GMT -5
While I read the threads here and things about our guys, I am not as up on recruiting as many others. Why is Findlay Prep bad for us? They don't typically send people our way? Handlers?
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 9, 2014 12:50:12 GMT -5
There is a strong pipeline to certain schools like Arizona. This doesn't bode well for a school like Georgetown. Further, if an East coast kid is willing to go out west for high school, its likely that he will be willing to do the same for college.
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Post by CaliHoya on Jun 9, 2014 12:53:24 GMT -5
And Trier isn't even an East Coast kid.... Sucks that JYD is no longer the coach at Findlay! Is he involved there at all anymore?
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 9, 2014 12:54:25 GMT -5
Lots of chatter about where Trier may end up. Staff is still very much in the game and committed to Trier. Is that "good" chatter or "bad" chatter? Bad chatter
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Post by TBird41 on Jun 9, 2014 12:55:08 GMT -5
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Post by nychoya3 on Jun 9, 2014 12:56:07 GMT -5
Trier's not from the East Coast - he was in Oklahoma and before that Seattle. He came to Montrose to play ball, and now he's going to Findlay to play ball. I don't think see why it's particularly bad to see him at Findaly, but it certainly makes him less convenient to recruit and tougher for the coaches to show him love by getting to his games. I don't expect Trier to be a Hoya, but I don't think this changes that calculus as much people seem to think.
Too bad JYD isn't at Findlay anymore, not that it helped us a lot when he was there.
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