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Post by kchoya on Oct 18, 2015 9:49:41 GMT -5
Um, Sleepy Floyd says hello. Um, how many three pointers did Sleepy make at GU? Not as many as Wallace.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 18, 2015 9:54:55 GMT -5
Um, Sleepy Floyd says hello. Um, how many three pointers did Sleepy make at GU? Not as many as Wallace. Does three point shooting define a pure shooter? Maybe today, but my money is on Eric. Plus, Eric didn't have to be set up. He could just take his.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 18, 2015 9:59:26 GMT -5
Um, Sleepy Floyd says hello. Um, how many three pointers did Sleepy make at GU? Not as many as Wallace. Three point shot introduced in college basketball for the 1986-87 season, wisenheimer. Sleepy graduated in 1982. Having seen him play, he'd have been in first if the line was active his entire career.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 18, 2015 10:17:42 GMT -5
Um, how many three pointers did Sleepy make at GU? Not as many as Wallace. Three point shot introduced in college basketball for the 1986-87 season, wisenheimer. Sleepy graduated in 1982. Having seen him play, he'd have been in first if the line was active his entire career. Not that I want to dispute your thirty five year old memories ... but I think there's a question. Sleepy shot a lot more than Wallace, but he also shot only 49.6% overall for his career -- including layups, etc. That's not all that far from Wallace's 3pt %. His career 3pt % was 43.3%, but his junior and senior years he shot about 47.5%. Sleepy also only shot 77% from the line. Wallace shot 82%. We'll never really know the answer and Sleepy was a better overall player, but I've got to dispute the idea that Sleepy was clearly the better pure shooter.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 18, 2015 11:26:04 GMT -5
Um, Sleepy Floyd says hello. Sleepy Floyd was a beast and much more of a complete guard. Floyd and Iverson were the best, most exciting and complete guards we've had. I think Wallace as a pure shooter was IMO better.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 18, 2015 12:10:10 GMT -5
Brandon Bowman, one of the original members of Long & Lanky Wing U along with Jeff Green for the Hoyas. I know Bowman bridged the end of the Eshrick & beginning of JT3's era. I remember beating number 1 Duke, telling the world the dark days were over and Georgetown Basketball was back where it belongs. Unfortunately I also remember Bowman missing the layup at the end of the game against Florida in the Sweet 16 that would of changed history. Still a very good Hoya who along with JG provided a blueprint for Otto Porter, Greg Whittington, Issac Copeland, Paul Whiteand hopefully Jaren Jackson Jr. to follow. If the Association was using the currently envougue stretch 4 when he graduated from Georgetown, he may have been able to carve out an NBA career. He has had a pretty good career overseas.
Funny that Bowman's coach in the 2nd clip is current Cleveland Cavaliers HC David Blatt!
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 18, 2015 12:59:40 GMT -5
Three point shot introduced in college basketball for the 1986-87 season, wisenheimer. Sleepy graduated in 1982. Having seen him play, he'd have been in first if the line was active his entire career. Not that I want to dispute your thirty five year old memories ... but I think there's a question. Sleepy shot a lot more than Wallace, but he also shot only 49.6% overall for his career -- including layups, etc. That's not all that far from Wallace's 3pt %. His career 3pt % was 43.3%, but his junior and senior years he shot about 47.5%. Sleepy also only shot 77% from the line. Wallace shot 82%. We'll never really know the answer and Sleepy was a better overall player, but I've got to dispute the idea that Sleepy was clearly the better pure shooter. You won't find the word 'clearly' anywhere in my post. The beauty in such arguments is we will never have actual data. I love John Wallace, but Floyd was better. Not by a lot, but better.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 18, 2015 13:23:59 GMT -5
Um, how many three pointers did Sleepy make at GU? Not as many as Wallace. Three point shot introduced in college basketball for the 1986-87 season, wisenheimer. Sleepy graduated in 1982. Having seen him play, he'd have been in first if the line was active his entire career.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 18, 2015 15:07:12 GMT -5
Comparing Floyd/Iverson to Wallace is apples to oranges. Wallace was a plodder and could only shoot if left open, the other two could create and couldn't be contained.
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Post by beenaround on Oct 18, 2015 16:35:46 GMT -5
i do not know about the stats, but best pure shooters I saw in the Thompson era in order... Sleepy, JWall, Reggie Williams.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 18, 2015 16:43:42 GMT -5
Johnathan Wallace aka Mr. Dagger! Just came across this video. Not sure if it's been posted before. If it has been, it's worth watching again. One of my favorite Hoyas of all time! Possibly the best pure shooter to ever wear the Blue & Gray! I never compared Wallace to Sleepy Floyd/Allen Iverson as that would be utterly ridiculous. Wallace is not even in the conversation with the 2 NBA Greats and Georgetown legends. I said from a pure perimeter shooting perspective (while on the Hilltop) he is arguably the best to wear the Hoyas jersey. I have no reservations saying he was a better pure shooter then Iverson was while both were at Georgetown. Iverson no doubt was the dominant ungaurdable player while Wallace was for the most part just a shooter, a perfect fit for JT3's first recruiting class. The stats and scoring records tell me how dominant Sleepy Floyd was as I was to young to remember (outside of highlights and YouTube) his time at Georgetown. I'll defer to Dan if he says Floyd was a better pure shooter then Wallace.
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Post by HometownHoya on Oct 18, 2015 18:56:37 GMT -5
Hold on guys, MM happened already...no need for this offseason stuff.
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 18, 2015 19:21:29 GMT -5
Johnathan Wallace aka Mr. Dagger! Just came across this video. Not sure if it's been posted before. If it has been, it's worth watching again. One of my favorite Hoyas of all time! Possibly the best pure shooter to ever wear the Blue & Gray! I never compared Wallace to Sleepy Floyd/Allen Iverson as that would be utterly ridiculous. Wallace is not even in the conversation with the 2 NBA Greats and Georgetown legends. I said from a pure perimeter shooting perspective (while on the Hilltop) he is arguably the best to wear the Hoyas jersey. I have no reservations saying he was a better pure shooter then Iverson was while both were at Georgetown. Iverson no doubt was the dominant ungaurdable player while Wallace was for the most part just a shooter, a perfect fit for JT3's first recruiting class. The stats and scoring records tell me how dominant Sleepy Floyd was as I was to young to remember (outside of highlights and YouTube) his time at Georgetown. I'll defer to Dan if he says Floyd was a better pure shooter then Wallace. I think you need to be clearer on what you mean by pure perimeter shooting means? Is that 3pt shooting or does it also encompass midrange shots. As far as 3pt percentage, Wallace has alot higher percentage than Iverson. If you look at Sleepy Floyd's 13 year NBA career his 3pt percentage is .324 although in his prime years he had 4 years where he hit .400/.384/.373/.380 which is very good. (For comparison sake Steve Kerr had a .454 3pt career percentage (#1), Steph Curry .440 (#3), Reggie Miller .395 (#47)
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 18, 2015 19:45:51 GMT -5
I never compared Wallace to Sleepy Floyd/Allen Iverson as that would be utterly ridiculous. Wallace is not even in the conversation with the 2 NBA Greats and Georgetown legends. I said from a pure perimeter shooting perspective (while on the Hilltop) he is arguably the best to wear the Hoyas jersey. I have no reservations saying he was a better pure shooter then Iverson was while both were at Georgetown. Iverson no doubt was the dominant ungaurdable player while Wallace was for the most part just a shooter, a perfect fit for JT3's first recruiting class. The stats and scoring records tell me how dominant Sleepy Floyd was as I was to young to remember (outside of highlights and YouTube) his time at Georgetown. I'll defer to Dan if he says Floyd was a better pure shooter then Wallace. I think you need to be clearer on what you mean by pure perimeter shooting means? Is that 3pt shooting or does it also encompass midrange shots. As far as 3pt percentage, Wallace has alot higher percentage than Iverson. If you look at Sleepy Floyd's 13 year NBA career his 3pt percentage is .324 although in his prime years he had 4 years where he hit .400/.384/.373/.380 which is very good. (For comparison sake Steve Kerr had a .454 3pt career percentage (#1), Steph Curry .440 (#3), Reggie Miller .395 (#47) Isn't the NBA three pointer longer than the college three?
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Post by prhoya on Oct 18, 2015 20:11:11 GMT -5
Johnathan Wallace aka Mr. Dagger! The Dagger is already taken.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 18, 2015 20:50:23 GMT -5
I think you need to be clearer on what you mean by pure perimeter shooting means? Is that 3pt shooting or does it also encompass midrange shots. As far as 3pt percentage, Wallace has alot higher percentage than Iverson. If you look at Sleepy Floyd's 13 year NBA career his 3pt percentage is .324 although in his prime years he had 4 years where he hit .400/.384/.373/.380 which is very good. (For comparison sake Steve Kerr had a .454 3pt career percentage (#1), Steph Curry .440 (#3), Reggie Miller .395 (#47) Isn't the NBA three pointer longer than the college three? It is. Then again, JW took a lot of his 3's from NBA range. It's a fun debate. I'd take JW in a game of HORSE and Sleepy in a live game. I don't understand why anyone would bring up Iverson in a discussion of efficient distance shooters.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 19, 2015 1:13:32 GMT -5
I never compared Wallace to Sleepy Floyd/Allen Iverson as that would be utterly ridiculous. Wallace is not even in the conversation with the 2 NBA Greats and Georgetown legends. I said from a pure perimeter shooting perspective (while on the Hilltop) he is arguably the best to wear the Hoyas jersey. I have no reservations saying he was a better pure shooter then Iverson was while both were at Georgetown. Iverson no doubt was the dominant ungaurdable player while Wallace was for the most part just a shooter, a perfect fit for JT3's first recruiting class. The stats and scoring records tell me how dominant Sleepy Floyd was as I was to young to remember (outside of highlights and YouTube) his time at Georgetown. I'll defer to Dan if he says Floyd was a better pure shooter then Wallace. I think you need to be clearer on what you mean by pure perimeter shooting means? Is that 3pt shooting or does it also encompass midrange shots. As far as 3pt percentage, Wallace has alot higher percentage than Iverson. If you look at Sleepy Floyd's 13 year NBA career his 3pt percentage is .324 although in his prime years he had 4 years where he hit .400/.384/.373/.380 which is very good. (For comparison sake Steve Kerr had a .454 3pt career percentage (#1), Steph Curry .440 (#3), Reggie Miller .395 (#47) I never talked about NBA/Professional career numbers. I specifically stated during their college years while wearing the Georgetown uniform. Perimeter shots typically mean midrange shots 15 feet and out with more emphasis on 3 point range.
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 19, 2015 5:02:37 GMT -5
Isn't the NBA three pointer longer than the college three? It is. Then again, JW took a lot of his 3's from NBA range. It's a fun debate. I'd take JW in a game of HORSE and Sleepy in a live game. I don't understand why anyone would bring up Iverson in a discussion of efficient distance shooters. Iverson was a scorer, not a pure shooter. I'd rank JW, Sleepy, and Reggie Williams, in that order.
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Post by beenaround on Oct 19, 2015 8:28:00 GMT -5
Isn't the NBA three pointer longer than the college three? It is. Then again, JW took a lot of his 3's from NBA range. It's a fun debate. I'd take JW in a game of HORSE and Sleepy in a live game. I don't understand why anyone would bring up Iverson in a discussion of efficient distance shooters. Tash...I had taken Sleepy #1..JW #2 and Reggie W (NOT cameron!) #3. But think I will agree with you, In a game of HORSE, Jwall might beat Sleepy. In terms of perimeter shooting in real games, Sleepy all the way. I guess we do need the season to begin, so these debates can end.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 19, 2015 8:51:31 GMT -5
It is. Then again, JW took a lot of his 3's from NBA range. It's a fun debate. I'd take JW in a game of HORSE and Sleepy in a live game. I don't understand why anyone would bring up Iverson in a discussion of efficient distance shooters. Tash...I had taken Sleepy #1..JW #2 and Reggie W (NOT cameron!) #3. But think I will agree with you, In a game of HORSE, Jwall might beat Sleepy. In terms of perimeter shooting in real games, Sleepy all the way. I guess we do need the season to begin, so these debates can end. Right? November 14th can't get here quickly enough....
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