Talos
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Post by Talos on Oct 11, 2015 10:28:11 GMT -5
I'm guessing this goes beyond the NCAA investigating. Wouldn't local and federal authorities be looking into these allegations? In theory, yes. But I think the local police getting involved depends on what type of relationship they have with the university and the basketball program. Unfortunately, in many college towns justice takes a back seat to politicians and administrators looking to protect their moneymaking big-time athletic programs. Just look at the so-called "investigation" of the alleged sexual assault at FSU... As for federal law enforcement getting involved, there would probably have to be an interstate nexus...such as escorts that crossed state lines or recruits/players going to a different state. Or, the money used to pay for the escorts came from a different state or transferred through accounts/banks in different states. For something like this, I'm guessing there could potentially be some money laundering or structuring to hide the purpose of the money used to pay escorts.
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Post by triplehoya09 on Oct 11, 2015 12:33:21 GMT -5
What about athletes using interstate instrumentalities to arrive in Louisville?
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Post by bicentennial on Oct 11, 2015 13:45:50 GMT -5
Given that Louisville is on the Kentucky/Indiana border and that the madam chose to publish the book with a company in Indiana, it is certainly possible some of the girls/women may have been from Indianapolis. If they were from the Indiana side of the river, they almost undoubtedly would have travelled by an interstate(65)over the river. Whether the federal government would step in on an otherwise city/state investigation will be interesting to see. I think Louisville's greater risk would be the NCAA who can't want the press suggesting that they turn a blind eye on prostitution used to influence recruits.
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Post by dense on Oct 12, 2015 2:17:57 GMT -5
Given that Louisville is on the Kentucky/Indiana border and that the madam chose to publish the book with a company in Indiana, it is certainly possible some of the girls/women may have been from Indianapolis. If they were from the Indiana side of the river, they almost undoubtedly would have travelled by an interstate(65)over the river. Whether the federal government would step in on an otherwise city/state investigation will be interesting to see. I think Louisville's greater risk would be the NCAA who can't want the press suggesting that they turn a blind eye on prostitution used to influence recruits. Yeah the ncaa is gonna drop the hammer on them. They have to...... The optics of it look terrible especially when you aren't paying athletes.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 12, 2015 6:14:05 GMT -5
Worse then giving kids a scholarship to fake classes? Maybe its just me, but fraud on the scale of what occurred at UNC bugs me more than getting pro girls for guys who can probably get regular girls on their own anyway.
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Post by njhoya78 on Oct 12, 2015 12:37:37 GMT -5
Worse then giving kids a scholarship to fake classes? Maybe its just me, but fraud on the scale of what occurred at UNC bugs me more than getting pro girls for guys who can probably get regular girls on their own anyway. Well, Louisville does like to boast about all of its players that go pro. . . .
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dense
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Post by dense on Oct 13, 2015 14:08:05 GMT -5
He is going to reopen. I know we have a thing about not calling committed guys but I hope we at least get word to him we are interested.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 13, 2015 15:24:05 GMT -5
I would be out of Lville as quick as possible (same with UNC, CUSE, SMU and any other programs with black clouds over their heads). This coaches will tell you what you want to hear to get you in the door and once the shoe drops you are stuck. Rakeem Christmas would likely enjoy a senior year back with tourney possibilities. These kids get hosed.
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Post by carlosgibson on Oct 13, 2015 16:36:41 GMT -5
Rakeem Christmas played in a final four early in his career and developed offense to the point he can make a living playing basketball. He has nothing to cry about
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Post by hoyazeke on Oct 20, 2015 18:16:38 GMT -5
Where did we stand with VJ before he committed? Was he really considering us or was it just lip service because we were the local team? Also does anyone know Katina Powell's motivation for writing the book? Was it just money or has she changed her life and genuinely feel bad for her past lifestyle?
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Post by carlosgibson on Oct 20, 2015 18:47:33 GMT -5
Also does anyone know Katina Powell's motivation for writing the book? Was it just money or has she changed her life and genuinely feel bad for her past lifestyle?
Money had to play some part in it, She only made 10K from Louisville in almost 4 years of pimping girls and herself
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Post by daymondmyles on Oct 20, 2015 20:10:28 GMT -5
Pretty stupid since she could spend a long time in prison for this. Anyway, not sure King decommits anyway. He's very good friends with Hughes who just committed to Louisville and they spoke recently and King had only good things to say.
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dense
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Post by dense on Oct 20, 2015 20:32:19 GMT -5
Pretty stupid since she could spend a long time in prison for this. Anyway, not sure King decommits anyway. He's very good friends with Hughes who just committed to Louisville and they spoke recently and King had only good things to say. Pitino aint making it thru this. Even if they pin it all on McGee, the NCAA is gonna hit them and hit them hard. Louisville has to be proactive and ask him to resign to avoid getting killed. Every recruit will decommit as soon as it happens or if they sign a letter will be let out. It might be today or tomorrow or at the end of the season but Pitino will be quitting soon.
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Post by IDenj on Oct 21, 2015 5:42:40 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion he skates by and there will be minimal damage. I have zero faith in the NCAA. They don't want to cheese off any of their money making schools, the football schools.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 21, 2015 7:01:58 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion he skates by and there will be minimal damage. I have zero faith in the NCAA. They don't want to cheese off any of their money making schools, the football schools. Agree completely. Besides I am not certain that this will have the impact on the school and its team that others think. The 4-5 star players being recruited by Louisville are thinking professional basketball and relatively short stays at the school. The fact that a former assistant has been linked to a prior scheme that relied upon prostitution and sex parties to entice recruits and players to the school has little bearing on the team today, unless the allegations can be shown to be still ongoing. As long as Pitino is not linked to anything, the most that could happen is that the school is deemed to have a lack of institutional control, given a slap on the wrist and perhaps a self-imposed penalty. Assume that the NCAA actually did something and the team lost a scholarship or two for a couple of years. Would that impact anything in recruiting? Most coaches do not play more than 9-10 players. Many teams do not use all of their scholarships each year anyway, leaving one open for a possible transfer. Walk-ons can help at practice. Besides how long will this take? UNC remains active in recruiting battles simply by having its coach say he did not realize that his players were not being educated and attending bogus classes for more than a decade. Syracuse self-imposed penalties and avoided any major hit during a year when the team was down anyway. Really the only major programs that seem to have taken a real hit over NCAA violations in recent years are the USC football team and Penn State. I would argue that in the case of Penn State the NCAA had absolutely no choice but to react (overreact) to the crimes of the assistant coach. Prior to that it was Miami some time ago. Just does not happen much and particularly with the marquee programs.
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Post by dense on Oct 21, 2015 7:35:28 GMT -5
I dont know if you guys have seen the OTL report. This woman has proof that it happened. Its all documented even if he didnt know Andre McGee didnt put up his own money to do this. They have to figure where this money came from and its over. You can ride out your own transgressions but paying for sex for underage kids and the parents of kids you cant ignore.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Oct 21, 2015 7:55:16 GMT -5
I think this incident results in more than a slap on the wrist. The jury is still out as to whether or not Pitino survives. Much more to come in this story.
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Post by daymondmyles on Oct 21, 2015 8:12:50 GMT -5
The interesting thing to me is that unlike Cuse, UNC and a lot of other scandals, I'm not sure the head coach here did really know what was going on. But I'm not sure that should really matter. The sanctions go against the program most times not the coach. So the head coach's culpability really isn't all that important. If a staff member or booster does the crime, the program has to pay. That's the way it's always been done.
And sanctions are always made based on the violation itself not the effectiveness of the violation of the effect it has on the current team.
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 21, 2015 8:30:29 GMT -5
The interesting thing to me is that unlike Cuse, UNC and a lot of other scandals, I'm not sure the head coach here did really know what was going on. But I'm not sure that should really matter. The sanctions go against the program most times not the coach. So the head coach's culpability really isn't all that important. If a staff member or booster does the crime, the program has to pay. That's the way it's always been done. And sanctions are always made based on the violation itself not the effectiveness of the violation of the effect it has on the current team. The interesting thing here is that there really are potential crimes as noted by others, not just NCAA violations, allegedly committed by a member of the Louisville basketball staff on university property. I have not seen any news reports that the appropriate law enforcement authorities are investigating the prostitution and promotion of prostitution (misdemeanors and class D felony, respectively under KY law). Did I miss reports of law enforcement investigations of the matter?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Oct 21, 2015 8:43:01 GMT -5
Yes, law enforcement is supposedly investigating.
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