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Post by professorhoya on Jul 5, 2013 9:36:13 GMT -5
Any reason why Ben Howland wouldn't be a good fit for them? On the Butler board they were saying that Howland disparaged their program last year with some negative comments.
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 5, 2013 9:59:15 GMT -5
. some board writers had been bragging that Stevens would be one of the best coaches in the New Big East. Now he is an idiot and "traitor" - where have I herd that word before, for accepting a job from one of the better teams in the NBA. SMDH! Tim Floyd. That's where you herd it. People have short memories but he was the college basketball wonder boy and darling before he left Iowa State for the Chicago Bulls and his buddy Jerry Krause. Great coach, greater charisma than Brad Stevens and he was supposed to develop all the young talent and high school players the Bulls were going to draft as they rebuilt. Floyd already had an oral commit from Kirk Heinrich to Iowa State. Kirk's best friend, and fellow Iowan, Nick Collison was likely to follow Heinrich giving Iowa State and Floyd one of the nations top recruiting classes. Floyd left for the NBA and Henrich decommmited and left with Collison for KU. Floyd was a disaster in the NBA, his reputation took a big hit, and he never recaptured the magic when he came back to college. Heinrich and Collision went on to KU where they had 4 great years and established a lasting legacy at Kansas. Had Floyd stayed at Iowa State with the Heinrich and Collision class they might have built the legacy there and Floyd's basektball career might have turned out much differently. Financially going to the NBA may have been a smart decision in the short run but for Floyd that one decision to go to the NBA was a huge mistake for his basketball coaching career.
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Post by hoyasexy on Jul 5, 2013 10:10:15 GMT -5
Floyd did a decent job with the Hornets after the Bulls and was doing well with USC after that (sweet 16), before his career was derailed by the fact that it turned out that he paid off OJ Mayo.
Floyd's career didn't take a hit from his stint in the NBA. It took a hit from his decisions made after he returned to college ball.
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Post by mapei on Jul 5, 2013 11:00:30 GMT -5
Stevens was awesome inthat press conference. The BE has lost a class guy and one of its brightest assets. I don't blame Stevens a bit for accepting an offer that from his position is fantastic on several levels. He will be hard to replace at Butler.
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 5, 2013 11:06:16 GMT -5
Any reason why Ben Howland wouldn't be a good fit for them? Read the SI piece on UCLA from a year or two back. Why would Butler want Howland? Or any retread, honestly--Butler should be going after young, hungry coaching talent that will grow the program and will want stay long term unless the NBA comes calling.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 5, 2013 11:22:57 GMT -5
Floyd did a decent job with the Hornets after the Bulls and was doing well with USC after that (sweet 16), before his career was derailed by the fact that it turned out that he paid off OJ Mayo. Floyd's career didn't take a hit from his stint in the NBA. It took a hit from his decisions made after he returned to college ball. Floyd also did a great job at the University of New Orleans. I saw them play many times, and they were well drilled.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 5, 2013 12:25:40 GMT -5
Any reason why Ben Howland wouldn't be a good fit for them? Read the SI piece on UCLA from a year or two back. Why would Butler want Howland? Or any retread, honestly--Butler should be going after young, hungry coaching talent that will grow the program and will want stay long term unless the NBA comes calling. I agree with you Tbird. That would be ideal. Although, now that Butler is in the BE (OK, a lesser BE than it was, but still pretty good and the BET's in MSG) I think they can also look at some still young, but more established guys. They have a great rep and a new conference. We should all be praying they get someone good in there.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 6, 2013 10:43:59 GMT -5
Pure genius by Brad Stevens and Danny Ainge. I'm not sold Stevens is even a great high major college coach much less an NBA coach. He's basically Mark Few. Take over a program built up for a decade and have a few good runs in the tournament. Butler was good before him and will be good after him.
But... will they be good enough for the Big East? That's a different question. If Stevens stays he has to deal with week-in and week-out competition...something he didn't have in the Horizon League. Even last year in the A-10 he caught a glimpse of how much harder it gets as you move up the ladder. So what do you do? Get Monsoned or Licklitered and go to a rebuilding high major and kill your rep? Stay and finish sixth a few times while your stock drops?
No, the best option is this. Go to the Celtics and suck (and he will suck, this team is awful) beef up the resume and return to college an even hotter commodity than you were when you left.
Ainge meanwhile gets his pick of real NBA coaches when this team is ready to win in a few years. It's perfect for everyone, maybe even Butler if they play it right and give the new guy a chance.
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Post by This Just In on Jul 6, 2013 11:34:57 GMT -5
A reminder to conferences who pick schools because of the name on the bench and not the program: if you throw enough money at any coach, they will move, and this is the classic example of an immovable coach picking up roots. Twenty-three years ago this summer, it was very, very close to happening at Georgetown. It's also a reminder of the folly that lies within fans eager to push coaches out from their small schools because maybe the coach hasn't gotten the results they wanted. Look at Butler. Basically a mid major way station for coaches and a constant coaching carousel. Anything can happen but just makes you really appreciate having someone like JTIII, who is committed to the school, the program, and tradition and isn't gonna split at the first sign of money or something better coming along. If JTIII left or was pushed out that is the most likely scenario that will happen at Georgetown as young coaches come in and then are poached by the bigger schools or NBA. As Iowa fans found out in their crusade to get rid of Steve Alford, "Be careful, what you wish for" I have missed something, what college teams or NBA teams are after JTIII?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 6, 2013 19:04:45 GMT -5
It's also a reminder of the folly that lies within fans eager to push coaches out from their small schools because maybe the coach hasn't gotten the results they wanted. Look at Butler. Basically a mid major way station for coaches and a constant coaching carousel. Anything can happen but just makes you really appreciate having someone like JTIII, who is committed to the school, the program, and tradition and isn't gonna split at the first sign of money or something better coming along. If JTIII left or was pushed out that is the most likely scenario that will happen at Georgetown as young coaches come in and then are poached by the bigger schools or NBA. As Iowa fans found out in their crusade to get rid of Steve Alford, "Be careful, what you wish for" I have missed something, what college teams or NBA teams are after JTIII? No college teams or NBA teams are after JTIII now, but that could easily change with another Final Four appearance or other post-season success. It doesn't take much to get your name out there - Andy Enfield at FGCU went from being a relatively little known coach to the USC coach by winning two NCAA games. It doesn't take much. John Thompson III has unique and special ties to Georgetown and that makes him less of a flight risk than other relatively young coaches would be. The Georgetown coaching job is more valuable to John Thompson III than it would be to other people with less history and a weaker tie to the school, and John Thompson III is also more valuable to Georgetown for the same reasons. But make no mistake - if Georgetown wins a championship or makes a few Final Fours, you will see John Thompson's name out there in relation to high college or NBA coaching slots. I think it's unlikely John Thompson III would pull a Brad Stevens (since I think he recognizes the good situation he has at Georgetown, much as Coach K has at Duke), but you never know.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Jul 6, 2013 19:33:09 GMT -5
Is there a better program for JTIII than Georgetown.
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Post by Just Cos on Jul 6, 2013 19:56:07 GMT -5
Is there a better program for JTIII than Georgetown. UNC and Kentucky. Dream jobs for any coach. You could argue UCLA too.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 6, 2013 21:18:52 GMT -5
Is there a better program for JTIII than Georgetown. No, there isn't.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 6, 2013 21:33:04 GMT -5
Is there a better program for JTIII than Georgetown. UNC and Kentucky. Dream jobs for any coach. You could argue UCLA too. Depends on what your dreams are, I guess. Mike Montgomery had a great job at Stanford and could have retired there. What did he do? Took an NBA job and was bounced in two years. How long would John Thompson have stayed in Denver had he left Georgetown? No one can say. Great salary, but not necessarily a dream job. I would not include UCLA or Kentucky on that list, either. No one been able at UCLA to approach the level of John Wooden and his shadow still looms over the program. They've gone through eight coaches since Wooden, all with a winning record, but none were good enough. Howland took UCLA to three straight Final Fours and even this was looked as insufficient. The UCLA fan base there expects more, but it's nothing like Kentucky, who will turn on a coach that doesn't meet its expectations. Billy Gillispie gave up a great situation at Texas A&M, loses Kentucky's second game of his first season to Gardner-Webb, and was gone in two years. Three years later, he's out of coaching altogether. John Calipari has ratcheted up (or down) the level of that program so much it's hard to imagine who will be able to match it when the NBA (or the NCAA investigators) finally send him packing. North Carolina probably comes closest to a dream job - budget, tradition, quality of life, a great place to raise a family - but every situation is different. It certainly didn't work for Matt Doherty. Roy Williams grew up dirt-poor in rural North Carolina and got only as far as the freshman team at UNC, finishing his college years doing statistics for the varsity. He married his wife there, sent his kids there, and at 700-180 lifetime, is now one of nine Tar Heels in the College Basketball Hall of Fame--but the only one who didn't make the varsity. There's a great story on Williams in Sports Illustrated years ago when he was at Kansas. Even then, he knew how remarkable his life has been, and he didn't have to coach the Boston Celtics or the Golden State Warriors to make it any better. www.rockchalk.com/john/john/siroy199.html
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