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Post by hoyaLS05 on Jul 3, 2013 16:42:21 GMT -5
Wow! Brad Stevens to be the next Celtics coach!
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Post by royski on Jul 3, 2013 16:44:53 GMT -5
Wow! Brad Stevens to be the next Celtics coach! Brutal news for our conference. Oh well.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 3, 2013 16:51:25 GMT -5
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Post by rustyshackleford on Jul 3, 2013 17:08:59 GMT -5
Yep awful for the conf though placing a coach on an nba team like this is impressive for the school. Butler fans throwing out Brandon Miller and Lavall Jordan as potential replacements. Jordan might be able to recruit pretty well.
I also bet Jeff becomes one of Stevens' favorites almost immediately.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 3, 2013 17:27:18 GMT -5
A reminder to conferences who pick schools because of the name on the bench and not the program: if you throw enough money at any coach, they will move, and this is the classic example of an immovable coach picking up roots. Twenty-three years ago this summer, it was very, very close to happening at Georgetown.
And, of course, this won't end well, at least for a career in the NBA. Stevens has not only inherited a team heading straight into the 2014 and 2015 lotteries, but will learn a lesson that everyone from Bones McKinney to Lou Carnesecca to Dick Vitale to Jerry Tarkanian to Rick Pitino to P.J. Carlesimo learned the hard way--coaching the NBA is altogether different than the college ranks and there is no patience for rebuilding. You can count on one hand the sucessful major college coaches who were successful in the NBA (Jack Ramsay, Dick Motta, maybe Fred Schaus...anyone else?)
When Stevens, just 36, eventually returns to college ball, Indiana University will be calling, and so will a lot of others. Rick Pitino returned from the mess that was the Celtics and his Hall of Fame credentials were not damaged.
And barring a monster hire, DePaul fans have a new neighbor in the Big East standings.
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Post by calhoya on Jul 3, 2013 17:52:50 GMT -5
Butler's next move is critical for that school and the conference. Need to hire someone with credibility and who can maintain the momentum of recent years. It is a little late in the year for the school to be looking for a new head coach unless they go for an out of work former coach, like Howland or Fraschilla.
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Post by Locker on Jul 3, 2013 18:01:57 GMT -5
A reminder to conferences who pick schools because of the name on the bench and not the program: if you throw enough money at any coach, they will move, and this is the classic example of an immovable coach picking up roots. Of course, if the conference successfully translates those temporary names on the bench into huge long-term TV dollars, it really softens the blow.
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Post by rustyshackleford on Jul 3, 2013 18:25:21 GMT -5
A reminder to conferences who pick schools because of the name on the bench and not the program: if you throw enough money at any coach, they will move, and this is the classic example of an immovable coach picking up roots. Twenty-three years ago this summer, it was very, very close to happening at Georgetown. And, of course, this won't end well, at least for a career in the NBA. Stevens has not only inherited a team heading straight into the 2014 and 2015 lotteries, but will learn a lesson that everyone from Bones McKinney to Lou Carnesecca to Dick Vitale to Jerry Tarkanian to Rick Pitino to P.J. Carlesimo learned the hard way--coaching the NBA is altogether different than the college ranks and there is no patience for rebuilding. You can count on one hand the sucessful major college coaches who were successful in the NBA (Jack Ramsay, Dick Motta, maybe Fred Schaus...anyone else?) When Stevens, just 36, eventually returns to college ball, Indiana University will be calling, and so will a lot of others. Rick Pitino returned from the mess that was the Celtics and his Hall of Fame credentials were not damaged. And barring a monster hire, DePaul fans have a new neighbor in the Big East standings. While this is definitely a lesson that should apply to picking new teams Butler has had success before Stevens. Collier, Matta and Lickliter were all quality coaches and took them to the dance fairly often (or at least the NIT). The difference is whether Butler is going to continue to be a dark horse national contender or merely an occasional challenger to make the dance.
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Post by guru on Jul 3, 2013 18:28:11 GMT -5
Yet another knee jerk inflammatory reaction from our esteemed board leader, who has now declared Butler a bottom feeder at the level of DePaul. Just surprised there was no blame placed on espn. Yet.
Butler needs a good hire, but it remains a solid program. I suspect that in a month there will be a glowing front page appraisal of their new coach and long term future.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Jul 3, 2013 18:48:05 GMT -5
Butler will remain a competitive program that occasionally run deep in to the tournament. I believe the program will attract a very good coach. There are outstanding coaches in OVC and similar conferences just waiting on an opportunity for a perceived better job...... Perhaps Stevens believe the Celtics will be in the Wiggins sweepstakes.
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Post by jgalt on Jul 3, 2013 19:04:03 GMT -5
If Butler is willing to pay a new coach the way they were willing to pay Stevens then they will be all right. But if they try to go cheap it may not turn out as well.
Also terrible decision by Stevens. You have the next 30 years to fail in the NCAA and go to the NBA, why start failing in the NBA now? He is a great coach, but that roster is in rebuild mode. I cant remember the last coach in any sport that was hired for the rebuild and stayed for the success.
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Post by hoya95 on Jul 3, 2013 19:15:17 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 3, 2013 19:19:15 GMT -5
ESPN was spinning Boston as the perfect situation for Stevens because they are in rebuild mode so there will be no pressure to win right away so he'll have time to learn on the job with out fear of getting fired. Not sure if that's true or how boston is thinking about it though.
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Post by jwp91 on Jul 3, 2013 19:43:13 GMT -5
What a hit to their program....potentially.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 3, 2013 19:45:55 GMT -5
Yet another knee jerk inflammatory reaction from our esteemed board leader, who has now declared Butler a bottom feeder at the level of DePaul. Just surprised there was no blame placed on espn. Yet. So good to hear from you again, the knee is doing fine. Of course, being at DePaul's level might not be what you think. In fact, DePaul is due for an upturn--a 7th to 9th place finish this year is not entirely out of the question, if only because Oliver Purnell has to show some spark of improvement in short order. Seton Hall has some real questions ahead of it, too. If Butler drops to 6th or 7th or even 8th, that's not being a "bottom feeder" as you suggest, but this is a crucial moment for the Bulldogs to establish their place in the new conference order. Schools like PC and St. John's found out the hard way the last time the Big East reconfigured, circa 2005, that it was tough to be an NCAA contender once they were locked in as second tier programs. In that era, there were two Big Easts, with Syracuse, Louisville, Georgetown, Marquette, UConn, West Virginia, ND, and Villanova on one side of the ledger, and St. John's, USF, Rutgers, Seton Hall, PC and DePaul on the other, and outside of Cincinnati and a brief run at USF, there as very little movement between the two sides. Entering the season, there are shaping to be three tiers: Marquette, Georgetown, Creighton St. John's, Villanova, Providence Xavier, DePaul, Seton Hall Butler enters 13-14 with the smallest basketball budget in the league, comparable to Duquesne and Bradley. (As salaries go, Stevens' $1.1 million was in the bottom third of the current 10 schools.) Regardless, Stevens provided them the national attention and recruiting reach that a LaVall Jordan might not get...and the fact Stevens took the job after the start of the July 1 fiscal year may have some marginal impact on what they owe him in terms of a retention bonus--and this might affect what they can afford to pay a new coach, because the TV money doesn't kick in for a while. So with the possibility of an interim coach for 13-14 and potentially a lost recruiting year ahead of them, which tier is Butler heading into? That's the concern.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jul 3, 2013 19:57:15 GMT -5
You can count on one hand the successful major college coaches who were successful in the NBA (Jack Ramsay, Dick Motta, maybe Fred Schaus...anyone else?) I'd add current Dallas resident Larry Brown to that list.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jul 3, 2013 20:12:25 GMT -5
They will hire a butler guy. Look for graves as the hire
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Jul 3, 2013 20:28:04 GMT -5
Boston didn't go out and hire another recycled NBA coach to coach a young rebuilding team. Next years draft is thought to be one of the best. It is thought that 2015 will be an outstanding free agent group - Lebron James and John Wall among others..... with all the crazy things in coaching - would Steve Alford be a stretch at Butler.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jul 3, 2013 20:59:49 GMT -5
Yes that's a huge stretch? Why would he leave UCLA to take the butler job??
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Post by calhoya on Jul 3, 2013 21:39:22 GMT -5
Six months ago maybe Alford would go home but not now. Both sons are on the UCLA roster and by all accounts Alford is hitting the recruiting trail very hard.
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