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Post by 3xhoya on Jul 4, 2013 0:06:58 GMT -5
This is terrible news for our conference but Butler has the chance to rebound. They can make a splash by making a big hire. We are all obviously pulling for them as we are counting on them as being one of the stronger teams in our conference.
From the other side...what is Brad Stevens thinking? College coaches do not have a good track record in the NBA. You are trying to replace Doc, not a position I would want to be in. Not to mention this team is in total rebuild mode. This is a thankless position to be in. The next two years are going to be tough for the C's. In my opinion he gets a buy for those two years due to the team being blown up. However, that third year he better win, and win pretty big. I may be wrong, but the NBA is more about managing personalities than it is about actual 'coaching'. It will be interesting to see how he fares.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jul 4, 2013 0:09:57 GMT -5
Of all the dumb things ever written on this board, the idea of Steve Alford leaving his new job at UCLA for Butler may be the dumbest.
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 4, 2013 0:40:31 GMT -5
From the other side...what is Brad Stevens thinking? College coaches do not have a good track record in the NBA. You are trying to replace Doc, not a position I would want to be in. Not to mention this team is in total rebuild mode. This is a thankless position to be in. The next two years are going to be tough for the C's. In my opinion he gets a buy for those two years due to the team being blown up. However, that third year he better win, and win pretty big. I may be wrong, but the NBA is more about managing personalities than it is about actual 'coaching'. It will be interesting to see how he fares. Agreed. Stevens really messed up big time. He kind of just threw all his values and what he claimed he stood for down the toilet IMO. He left for money? I never really saw him as a $$$ guy but maybe he is. I've read that Brad Stevens doesn't like recruiting but he's not gonna like what the NBA offers in terms of coaching. It's not a coaching league at all. It's all about having the marquee player: (the Lebron, Kobe or MJ) or having that once in a generation dominant big man (Duncan, Shaq, Kareem, Olajuwon). Coaches have less impact on the game, and refs have way too much control over who wins and who loses compared to the NCAAs. In college you can make the national title game or final four with mediocre talent and great coaching but in the NBA it's impossible to make the NBA finals with mediocre no name talent. The better coaches have been in the NBA or pro leagues for years as assistants or coaches and know how to deal with egos and personalities something that Stevens hasn't dealt with. Sure the Celtics are tanking the season but so are the 76ers and Toronto and so on and so on. I'm not sold on Ainge as a draft talent evaluator either. He drafted Sullinger and Fab Melo and in 10 years his only great pick was Rondo. The best bet is to land some big names through free agency like they did with KG and Ray Allen but that's always a roll of the dice too. This move is a real head scratcher, came out of the blue and hasn't seemed well thought out by Stevens. I'm not sure what he's trying to accomplish with the move but he goes a notch down in my book. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 4, 2013 0:51:46 GMT -5
A reminder to conferences who pick schools because of the name on the bench and not the program: if you throw enough money at any coach, they will move, and this is the classic example of an immovable coach picking up roots. Twenty-three years ago this summer, it was very, very close to happening at Georgetown. It's also a reminder of the folly that lies within fans eager to push coaches out from their small schools because maybe the coach hasn't gotten the results they wanted. Look at Butler. Basically a mid major way station for coaches and a constant coaching carousel. Anything can happen but just makes you really appreciate having someone like JTIII, who is committed to the school, the program, and tradition and isn't gonna split at the first sign of money or something better coming along. If JTIII left or was pushed out that is the most likely scenario that will happen at Georgetown as young coaches come in and then are poached by the bigger schools or NBA. As Iowa fans found out in their crusade to get rid of Steve Alford, "Be careful, what you wish for" |
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Post by nolahoya on Jul 4, 2013 2:59:28 GMT -5
Hopefully Butler can continue winning with whoever they hire as a replacement.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 4, 2013 6:48:01 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 4, 2013 6:52:52 GMT -5
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Jul 4, 2013 9:37:24 GMT -5
The Celtics could have gone the safe choice and hire Hollins. I think Hollins is waiting to see how the Jason Kidd hire will work out at Brooklyn. I like the idea of hiring outside the "NBA box of coaches" and look at the Brad Stevens and Shaka Smarts of the world.
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Post by This Just In on Jul 4, 2013 11:17:09 GMT -5
This is not good for Butler nor the conference as Brad Stevens had the most recent high-profiled, success in the NCAA Tournament. Now it is essential that the coaches in the Big East fill in the void and make a run in the tournament...very deep runs.
Also...Happy 4th of July!!!!
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Post by This Just In on Jul 4, 2013 11:19:41 GMT -5
A reminder to conferences who pick schools because of the name on the bench and not the program: if you throw enough money at any coach, they will move, and this is the classic example of an immovable coach picking up roots. Twenty-three years ago this summer, it was very, very close to happening at Georgetown.
And, of course, this won't end well, at least for a career in the NBA. Stevens has not only inherited a team heading straight into the 2014 and 2015 lotteries, but will learn a lesson that everyone from Bones McKinney to Lou Carnesecca to Dick Vitale to Jerry Tarkanian to Rick Pitino to P.J. Carlesimo learned the hard way--coaching the NBA is altogether different than the college ranks and there is no patience for rebuilding. You can count on one hand the sucessful major college coaches who were successful in the NBA (Jack Ramsay, Dick Motta, maybe Fred Schaus...anyone else?) When Stevens, just 36, eventually returns to college ball, Indiana University will be calling, and so will a lot of others. Rick Pitino returned from the mess that was the Celtics and his Hall of Fame credentials were not damaged. And barring a monster hire, DePaul fans have a new neighbor in the Big East standings. Which NBA teams were after JTII? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2013 11:19:53 GMT -5
Lavall Jordon the leader according to twitter… Yes I did just site twitter as a source  |
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Post by hoyainla on Jul 4, 2013 12:12:26 GMT -5
Of all the dumb things ever written on this board, the idea of Steve Alford leaving his new job at UCLA for Butler may be the dumbest. I put it right there with all the people that are saying Stevens going to the Celtics is a bad decision for him. Don't let those Big East shaded glasses get in the way of good judgement. |
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Jul 4, 2013 12:32:34 GMT -5
LOL I couldn't imaging Alford leaving UCLA (on his own) for any job. Said it would be crazy idea and just BS'ing. Alford is one of those coaches that appear to always land on his feet at good programs.... some board writers had been bragging that Stevens would be one of the best coaches in the New Big East. Now he is an idiot and "traitor" - where have I herd that word before, for accepting a job from one of the better teams in the NBA. SMDH!
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Post by rustyshackleford on Jul 4, 2013 13:02:36 GMT -5
Lavall Jordon the leader according to twitter… Yes I did just site twitter as a source Apparently they are meeting with him and he's the front runner to replace Stevens. If they get this done quick this would help them in terms of recruiting - ESPN Article |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 4, 2013 14:41:37 GMT -5
Also terrible decision by Stevens. Of all the dumb things ever written on this board, the idea of Steve Alford leaving his new job at UCLA for Butler may be the dumbest. I put it right there with all the people that are saying Stevens going to the Celtics is a bad decision for him. Don't let those Big East shaded glasses get in the way of good judgement. $22 million a bad decision? From the BE Conference's and Butler's perspective, perhaps, but From Stevens' perspective, I don't think so. He's betting on himself and his ability to learn and adapt to the pro game. I'd take that bet, too, if I had the desire to coach in the pros. He can always return to college. After all, he's only in his mid 30's. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 4, 2013 15:00:18 GMT -5
Which NBA teams were after JTII? The main story on the front page references Denver, he was later contacted by Portland and the LA Clippers in 1994. When researching the story, it was interesting to read that Craig Esherick was already considered Thompson's sucesssor if he had left in 1990 (and presumably in 1994) but the issue of succession is always hovering over prominent coaches, as it is now at Butler. Syracuse faces many of these same sucession questions. This will be Mike Hopkins' 19th season as an assistant coach (Esherick was at Georgetown just over 16 seasons). While Hopkins hinted he would consider a move to USC his summer, he remained on the Syracuse staff. Either way, much like Dean Smith and John Thompson, Jim Boeheim hopes to make the call on his terms, whether sooner, later, or much later. (Boeheim could probably coach until he is 80, and he could also wake up one day and decide he'd rather play golf.) And, yes, the story of Georgetown basketball would have become a much different one had John Thompson taken that Denver offer; or for that matter, had Mike Krzyzewski left Duke that same season to coach the Lakers. |
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jul 4, 2013 21:31:30 GMT -5
Any reason why Ben Howland wouldn't be a good fit for them?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 5, 2013 6:44:01 GMT -5
Which NBA teams were after JTII? The main story on the front page references Denver, he was later contacted by Portland and the LA Clippers in 1994. When researching the story, it was interesting to read that Craig Esherick was already considered Thompson's sucesssor if he had left in 1990 (and presumably in 1994) but the issue of succession is always hovering over prominent coaches, as it is now at Butler. Syracuse faces many of these same sucession questions. This will be Mike Hopkins' 19th season as an assistant coach (Esherick was at Georgetown just over 16 seasons). While Hopkins hinted he would consider a move to USC his summer, he remained on the Syracuse staff. Either way, much like Dean Smith and John Thompson, Jim Boeheim hopes to make the call on his terms, whether sooner, later, or much later. (Boeheim could probably coach until he is 80, and he could also wake up one day and decide he'd rather play golf.) And, yes, the story of Georgetown basketball would have become a much different one had John Thompson taken that Denver offer; or for that matter, had Mike Krzyzewski left Duke that same season to coach the Lakers. Just as a point of information, Boeheim is gone after 2 more years. So we will see(from afar now) just how Hopkins's succession goes. |
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Post by skyhoya on Jul 5, 2013 7:42:19 GMT -5
Ben could fit, after all, he was the coach at PITT in the BE. I feel sorry for the players who thought they would play for Stevens.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 5, 2013 8:18:50 GMT -5
While I don't like the move from the perspective of its impact on Butler and, additionally, on the conference, Brad Stevens got offered his dream job. How could it be construed as a bad decision to take it from his perspective? He, amazingly, earned the shot by doing a great job at Butler. I wish him the best and hope for a soft landing for Butler's program.
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