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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 4, 2014 21:31:59 GMT -5
Does he have an offer from Duke or are they just monitoring him? Why back out of a verbal to GU unless you have a firm offer from a better option?
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Post by Dhall on Jul 4, 2014 22:06:19 GMT -5
At some point, college hoops will go the way of college football regarding verbals - they aren't worth squat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 23:30:45 GMT -5
Does he have an offer from Duke or are they just monitoring him? Why back out of a verbal to GU unless you have a firm offer from a better option? Monitoring him...
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 5, 2014 1:45:51 GMT -5
As far back as 6 months ago, he informed the staff that it was G'town or Duke...he was straight forward the whole time. Unfortunately, kids change their mind and he's entitled to do so. I do think he would have played a lot at the 4 since day one ...we could have really used a player with his skill set. It's still early and we have time to replace him. Honestly, then he shouldn't have committed. If he was always going to wait fir Duke, he should have waited. At the time he committed to is...his stock was on a down trend and other bigs were circling our program. He jumped the gun.
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Post by jwp91 on Jul 5, 2014 6:27:46 GMT -5
Dear Noah,
An old proverb:
A Georgetown offer in hand is worth 2 possible Duke offers.
jwp01
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 5, 2014 6:56:46 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 5, 2014 7:35:59 GMT -5
Honestly, then he shouldn't have committed. If he was always going to wait fir Duke, he should have waited. At the time he committed to is...his stock was on a down trend and other bigs were circling our program. He jumped the gun. And? Listen, I don't think he's an awful kid or anything, but the actual actions ... How would he have felt if the staff had pulled the offer post-commitment if we had found a prettier girl, so to speak? When Dickerson committed, other players stopped looking at GU and vice versa. But now that Duke might be calling? I'll stop now, because I don't think that Dickerson is a bad person and I get that he's 17 and this is a big decision -- one that impacts Dickerson more than you or me or the staff or Georgetown. But I do think there's something to character where you keep your word when it doesn't benefit you to do so.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jul 5, 2014 8:50:52 GMT -5
At the time he committed to is...his stock was on a down trend and other bigs were circling our program. He jumped the gun. And? Listen, I don't think he's an awful kid or anything, but the actual actions ... How would he have felt if the staff had pulled the offer post-commitment if we had found a prettier girl, so to speak? When Dickerson committed, other players stopped looking at GU and vice versa. But now that Duke might be calling? I'll stop now, because I don't think that Dickerson is a bad person and I get that he's 17 and this is a big decision -- one that impacts Dickerson more than you or me or the staff or Georgetown. But I do think there's something to character where you keep your word when it doesn't benefit you to do so. Agreed. And he was 17 years old, not 8. At this age, you know the consequences of your actions and what it means to stand by your commitments. He's obviously not inclined to be a person who lives up to his word.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 5, 2014 9:01:53 GMT -5
We do take these things personally, don't we??
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Post by nathanhm on Jul 5, 2014 9:08:23 GMT -5
Some people on this board seem to have forgotten what they were like at 17.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 5, 2014 9:44:00 GMT -5
And? Listen, I don't think he's an awful kid or anything, but the actual actions ... How would he have felt if the staff had pulled the offer post-commitment if we had found a prettier girl, so to speak? When Dickerson committed, other players stopped looking at GU and vice versa. But now that Duke might be calling? I'll stop now, because I don't think that Dickerson is a bad person and I get that he's 17 and this is a big decision -- one that impacts Dickerson more than you or me or the staff or Georgetown. But I do think there's something to character where you keep your word when it doesn't benefit you to do so. Agreed. And he was 17 years old, not 8. At this age, you know the consequences of your actions and what it means to stand by your commitments. He's obviously not inclined to be a person who lives up to his word. None of you guys applied to safety schools? As far as the verbal, it's not binding. Georgetown, apparently, was his safety school and, by giving his verbal, he assured himself a spot. Now, I guess, he feels like he's got a good shot at his dream school. Can't fault the kid for that.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 5, 2014 10:32:41 GMT -5
Agreed. And he was 17 years old, not 8. At this age, you know the consequences of your actions and what it means to stand by your commitments. He's obviously not inclined to be a person who lives up to his word. None of you guys applied to safety schools? As far as the verbal, it's not binding. Georgetown, apparently, was his safety school and, by giving his verbal, he assured himself a spot. Now, I guess, he feels like he's got a good shot at his dream school. Can't fault the kid for that. I don't think that analogy is accurate. When a college kid applies and gets accepted to a school the school does not stop accepting other students. In fact, schools always accept way more students than they can actually have attend. Where as basketball teams do not usually accept more commitments than they can handle ( this is happening more often, but still is not the norm).
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 5, 2014 10:40:12 GMT -5
Agreed. And he was 17 years old, not 8. At this age, you know the consequences of your actions and what it means to stand by your commitments. He's obviously not inclined to be a person who lives up to his word. None of you guys applied to safety schools? As far as the verbal, it's not binding. Georgetown, apparently, was his safety school and, by giving his verbal, he assured himself a spot. Now, I guess, he feels like he's got a good shot at his dream school. Can't fault the kid for that. Yes, you can. This notion that him being 17 makes his action acceptable is nonsense. And there is not anything wrong with people on this board calling him out on it just so long as it doesn't get nasty or vicious. Dickerson has a right to back out of a commitment just as Joshua Smith has a right to falter somewhat in the classroom (as MANY people do in college), but we can still be critical of these issues. Certainly folks here didn't hesitate to go after Joshua. My main gripe with Dickerson was that his de-commitment came so soon after his commitment. Usually such things happen after a player commits very early to a school and then has time to think about it; such as a kid who makes a commitment to a school sometime early during his junior year. One can be weary about such early verbals because a kid can stray when he has that much time left before he can actually sign. That is why if you had told me ahead of time that a Hoya recruit was going to reopen his recruitment I would have guessed it would have been Marcus Derrickson. Derrickson committed early and then saw how the Hoyas ended up getting verbals from two more highly rated big men about six months later. But Derrickson has remained firm. Dickerson reopened his recruitment about a month after he committed. What was the point? If he desired that much to get a call from a program he was really in love with he should have had the decency and maturity to wait it out. Don't tell one school you are coming and then all of a sudden inform the coaches that you changed your mind. Being seventeen does not excuse that. So what happened? He committed to Gtown, talked about how happy he was with the situation to the media and took a trip to Gtown in which led him to comment how much he loved the place and his new teammates. All looked good. But then he goes on to have a stellar Top 100 camp showing and all of a sudden he is worried about his ability to compete for time against the other Hoya players? Nonsense. He finally got the call he was waiting for and the person on the other end told him to keep his availability opened just in case he got the official invite. That's my theory at least. Not the end of the world. Doesn't make Noah a bad guy. But it isn't exactly a classy move either.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 5, 2014 11:16:43 GMT -5
None of you guys applied to safety schools? As far as the verbal, it's not binding. Georgetown, apparently, was his safety school and, by giving his verbal, he assured himself a spot. Now, I guess, he feels like he's got a good shot at his dream school. Can't fault the kid for that. Yes, you can. This notion that him being 17 makes his action acceptable is nonsense. And there is not anything wrong with people on this board calling him out on it just so long as it doesn't get nasty or vicious. Dickerson has a right to back out of a commitment just as Joshua Smith has a right to falter somewhat in the classroom (as MANY people do in college), but we can still be critical of these issues. Certainly folks here didn't hesitate to go after Joshua. My main gripe with Dickerson was that his de-commitment came so soon after his commitment. Usually such things happen after a player commits very early to a school and then has time to think about it; such as a kid who makes a commitment to a school sometime early during his junior year. One can be weary about such early verbals because a kid can stray when he has that much time left before he can actually sign. That is why if you had told me ahead of time that a Hoya recruit was going to reopen his recruitment I would have guessed it would have been Marcus Derrickson. Derrickson committed early and then saw how the Hoyas ended up getting verbals from two more highly rated big men about six months later. But Derrickson has remained firm. Dickerson reopened his recruitment about a month after he committed. What was the point? If he desired that much to get a call from a program he was really in love with he should have had the decency and maturity to wait it out. Don't tell one school you are coming and then all of a sudden inform the coaches that you changed your mind. Being seventeen does not excuse that. So what happened? He committed to Gtown, talked about how happy he was with the situation to the media and took a trip to Gtown in which led him to comment how much he loved the place and his new teammates. All looked good. But then he goes on to have a stellar Top 100 camp showing and all of a sudden he is worried about his ability to compete for time against the other Hoya players? Nonsense. He finally got the call he was waiting for and the person on the other end told him to keep his availability opened just in case he got the official invite. That's my theory at least. Not the end of the world. Doesn't make Noah a bad guy. But it isn't exactly a classy move either. BOOM!! Very well stated MCI..
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 5, 2014 12:13:29 GMT -5
Thank you, MCI.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 5, 2014 12:19:53 GMT -5
So according to MCI a kid for whatever reason whether its legitamate or not re-opens his recruitment (which is,in and of itelf a misnomer.) Its simply not a classy move. Now on the face of it thats reasonable. College recruiting at any level is not what should be considered a classy enterprise. I guess his recruiters having a feel for where he was at in the process and i'm sure had a good understanding of where Duke was in his thinking told him in late April to continue to wait on a Duke offer, and because of that he decided to pop for Georgetown. No like any good recruiter who ever had responsibilty for him continued to close him and happened to get it done i'm sure he never mentioned or implied that offers could be based upon certain future contingencies. Come on now I think we all know how it works. I'm sure the staff does.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 5, 2014 15:34:19 GMT -5
While I admit to being disappointed, I have no problem with the kid decommitting a year out if he feels that, whatever the reason, he wants to further explore his options. It's his life we are talking about here. Better he change his mind now rather than make a mistake on what likely is the biggest decision of his life to this point. I'd rather he get that right, for his sake and ours.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 5, 2014 16:37:09 GMT -5
So according to MCI a kid for whatever reason whether its legitamate or not re-opens his recruitment (which is,in and of itelf a misnomer.) Its simply not a classy move. Now on the face of it thats reasonable. College recruiting at any level is not what should be considered a classy enterprise. I guess his recruiters having a feel for where he was at in the process and i'm sure had a good understanding of where Duke was in his thinking told him in late April to continue to wait on a Duke offer, and because of that he decided to pop for Georgetown. No like any good recruiter who ever had responsibilty for him continued to close him and happened to get it done i'm sure he never mentioned or implied that offers could be based upon certain future contingencies. Come on now I think we all know how it works. I'm sure the staff does. That's not what he said. Remind me not to trust most of you.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jul 5, 2014 17:55:09 GMT -5
Agreed. And he was 17 years old, not 8. At this age, you know the consequences of your actions and what it means to stand by your commitments. He's obviously not inclined to be a person who lives up to his word. None of you guys applied to safety schools? As far as the verbal, it's not binding. Georgetown, apparently, was his safety school and, by giving his verbal, he assured himself a spot. Now, I guess, he feels like he's got a good shot at his dream school. Can't fault the kid for that. Sure, but I didn't commit to attending any of them.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 5, 2014 23:06:01 GMT -5
None of you guys applied to safety schools? As far as the verbal, it's not binding. Georgetown, apparently, was his safety school and, by giving his verbal, he assured himself a spot. Now, I guess, he feels like he's got a good shot at his dream school. Can't fault the kid for that. Sure, but I didn't commit to attending any of them. True. But you also didn't have to worry about them not admitting you because they filled their quota. In a normal situation for a college bound kid, you can hold the offers and wait to hear from the schools at which you got wait listed. Noah likely felt he couldn't wait at the time as Georgetown probably seemed like the best option for him. I'm not saying it's the "classy" move from the kid. But I can see the logic of it. And those that are questioning the kids morals and all of the other nonsense are being ridiculous.
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