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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 2, 2014 13:38:20 GMT -5
SF, I think that falls into the "90% of this game is half mental" category...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 2, 2014 14:36:50 GMT -5
I would be interested in knowing whether Noah contacted the staff and let them know he was withdrawing his commitment before he tweeted it. If he had the integrity to do that, then there is nothing to criticize just because a young man has had second thoughts - or more likely, because there has been increased interest from programs in which he may have great interest. However, if he did not let the staff know - as I fear he did not from blueandgray's comments - then that is a different issue.
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Post by flyoverhoya on Jul 2, 2014 14:37:04 GMT -5
When a student commits to a university, isn't there a non-refundable deposit involved? For an incoming '15 Freshman? Not until May 1, 2015. Not sure when or if actual letter of intent signees make deposits or otherwise observe the same calendar, but at any rate, a verbal from a '15 isn't really binding on anyone.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Jul 2, 2014 14:38:24 GMT -5
SF, I think that falls into the "90% of this game is half mental" category... Makes perfect sense, coming from someone who's not a COMPLETE idiot!
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 2, 2014 15:25:16 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is on a ledge here or overly upset. All the discussion is pretty reasonable -- I'm not sure why anyone would think that anyone is over-reacting or is even emotional. It's a bummer, and we'll all move on. But I'm not quite sure why every third post assumes people are all that upset when 90% of the posts are extremely rational. This. The kid has the right to make the best decision for himself. Where the concern lies for me is that his word does not seen as genuine as I believed it to be, his words and his actions no longer match up, and for that reason I wouldn't mind the staff using their resources on a player/person who may be more straightforward in their communication. It's one thing to decommit, but it's another to decommit within a few weeks of spending time on campus with the current players and declaring to the world that you "can't wait to get here (GU)". He obviously felt a little threatened by our LOADED frontcourt and our continued pursual of the #1 PF in the country. The silver lining is this lessens the possibility of a different frontcourt player transferring out over the next few years and we still have plenty of time to fill the 2015 slots. At the end of the day I TTS and they'll most likely make the correct decision regarding the degree to which we continue to pursue the young man.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 11:02:44 GMT -5
Evan Daniels @evandaniels 1h Daniel Giddens, a four-star center known for his shot blocking, will make his college announcement this afternoon.
Evan Daniels @evandaniels 40m Everyone I've talked to says Ohio State for Daniel Giddens. Would give the Buckeyes four four-stars.
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 4, 2014 11:22:33 GMT -5
I would be interested in knowing whether Noah contacted the staff and let them know he was withdrawing his commitment before he tweeted it. If he had the integrity to do that, then there is nothing to criticize just because a young man has had second thoughts - or more likely, because there has been increased interest from programs in which he may have great interest. However, if he did not let the staff know - as I fear he did not from blueandgray's comments - then that is a different issue. He did let the staff know. From the beginning, Noah liked the Hoyas, but he also liked other top notch programs. He was a bit anxious about making a decision and when his first choice didn't come calling, he wanted to relieve himself of the anxiety and committed to G'town. Then our front court became loaded (Govan) and at the same time he started rising and getting recognized by some of the schools he eyed all along. He then wanted to back out, let the staff know, and despite the staffs efforts...he decommitted. That simple.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 4, 2014 11:32:19 GMT -5
Evan Daniels @evandaniels 1h Daniel Giddens, a four-star center known for his shot blocking, will make his college announcement this afternoon. Evan Daniels @evandaniels 40m Everyone I've talked to says Ohio State for Daniel Giddens. Would give the Buckeyes four four-stars. Seeing that Giddens is a legit 5 & Ohio State has available slots this is still a good landing spot for Noah.. If Giddens does commit, they'll only need a PF to complete the class..
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Post by dense on Jul 4, 2014 11:56:22 GMT -5
Evan Daniels @evandaniels 1h Daniel Giddens, a four-star center known for his shot blocking, will make his college announcement this afternoon. Evan Daniels @evandaniels 40m Everyone I've talked to says Ohio State for Daniel Giddens. Would give the Buckeyes four four-stars. Seeing that Giddens is a legit 5 & Ohio State has available slots this is still a good landing spot for Noah.. If Giddens does commit, they'll only need a PF to complete the class.. Only thing he had an offer from OSU when he committed to us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 12:04:28 GMT -5
Evan Daniels @evandaniels 1h Daniel Giddens, a four-star center known for his shot blocking, will make his college announcement this afternoon. Evan Daniels @evandaniels 40m Everyone I've talked to says Ohio State for Daniel Giddens. Would give the Buckeyes four four-stars. Seeing that Giddens is a legit 5 & Ohio State has available slots this is still a good landing spot for Noah.. If Giddens does commit, they'll only need a PF to complete the class.. Depends on how he sees himself, they’re needs, style of play and scholly situation. Pretty sure they have to be pitching him on Jared Sullinger who played C for them.. OSU is on PF’s Esa Ahmad, and Carlton Bragg also, both local kids and more inline with what they typically get from the 4 spot. They appear in good shape with Bragg right now and that’s their #1 guy although he probably won’t decide anytime soon… Means nothing just random info
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 4, 2014 12:09:51 GMT -5
Seeing that Giddens is a legit 5 & Ohio State has available slots this is still a good landing spot for Noah.. If Giddens does commit, they'll only need a PF to complete the class.. Only thing he had an offer from OSU when he committed to us. True indeed but we all know "offers" aren't worth much most of the time.. I was mainly saying Giddens going there doesn't rule out Noah giving them a look or visa versa..
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 4, 2014 12:33:02 GMT -5
Seeing that Giddens is a legit 5 & Ohio State has available slots this is still a good landing spot for Noah.. If Giddens does commit, they'll only need a PF to complete the class.. Depends on how he sees himself, they’re needs, style of play and scholly situation. Pretty sure they have to be pitching him on Jared Sullinger who played C for them.. OSU is on PF’s Esa Ahmad, and Carlton Bragg also, both local kids and more inline with what they typically get from the 4 spot. They appear in good shape with Bragg right now and that’s their #1 guy although he probably won’t decide anytime soon… Means nothing just random info I get what you mean Yaboy but Dickerson has stated in the past that he sees himself as a PF not a center.. if he wanted to play center he should have stayed.. As has been stated many times Hayes will be the only upperclass center on the team. As much as I begged for him to play last season I will admit that the jury is still way out on him .. Govan looks as though he'll be a player right away but I doubt he'll be some 30+ minute a game player, at least not right away.. So there's a good chance time would have been there for Dickerson at the 5 spot his freshman year imo..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 12:47:57 GMT -5
Depends on how he sees himself, they’re needs, style of play and scholly situation. Pretty sure they have to be pitching him on Jared Sullinger who played C for them.. OSU is on PF’s Esa Ahmad, and Carlton Bragg also, both local kids and more inline with what they typically get from the 4 spot. They appear in good shape with Bragg right now and that’s their #1 guy although he probably won’t decide anytime soon… Means nothing just random info I get what you mean Yaboy but Dickerson has stated in the past that he sees himself as a PF not a center.. if he wanted to play center he should have stayed.. As has been stated many times Hayes will be the only upperclass center on the team. As much as I begged for him to play last season I will admit that the jury is still way out on him .. Govan looks as though he'll be a player right away but I doubt he'll be some 30+ minute a game player, at least not right away.. So there's a good chance time would have been there for Dickerson at the 5 spot his freshman year imo.. You’re right, he has but there’s 2 sides to recruiting. What he wants to do and what the coaches recruiting him think he can do are 2 different things.. Kid can’t just say “I’m a PG and coaches say Ok even though said player has very little PG skills.. OSU’s 4 men traditionally have been face up guys not back to the basket players so again we’ll see The other 2 players they’re on (both local kids) fit that mold better.. Lastly if speculation is valid and he wants to go to Duke, he better be cool playing C for sure… Can’t remember the last 4 man they had that played with his back to the basket...
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Post by tashoya on Jul 4, 2014 13:40:27 GMT -5
I would be interested in knowing whether Noah contacted the staff and let them know he was withdrawing his commitment before he tweeted it. If he had the integrity to do that, then there is nothing to criticize just because a young man has had second thoughts - or more likely, because there has been increased interest from programs in which he may have great interest. However, if he did not let the staff know - as I fear he did not from blueandgray's comments - then that is a different issue. He did let the staff know. From the beginning, Noah liked the Hoyas, but he also liked other top notch programs. He was a bit anxious about making a decision and when his first choice didn't come calling, he wanted to relieve himself of the anxiety and committed to G'town. Then our front court became loaded (Govan) and at the same time he started rising and getting recognized by some of the schools he eyed all along. He then wanted to back out, let the staff know, and despite the staffs efforts...he decommitted. That simple. Sounds pretty normal and above-board. I'm sure it wasn't the most comfortable thing to do for Noah to back out but better now than later for both parties. Good luck to the kid wherever he goes (unless, of course, he's playing against our Hoyas).
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Post by tashoya on Jul 4, 2014 13:44:52 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is on a ledge here or overly upset. All the discussion is pretty reasonable -- I'm not sure why anyone would think that anyone is over-reacting or is even emotional. It's a bummer, and we'll all move on. But I'm not quite sure why every third post assumes people are all that upset when 90% of the posts are extremely rational. This. The kid has the right to make the best decision for himself. Where the concern lies for me is that his word does not seen as genuine as I believed it to be, his words and his actions no longer match up, and for that reason I wouldn't mind the staff using their resources on a player/person who may be more straightforward in their communication. It's one thing to decommit, but it's another to decommit within a few weeks of spending time on campus with the current players and declaring to the world that you "can't wait to get here (GU)". He obviously felt a little threatened by our LOADED frontcourt and our continued pursual of the #1 PF in the country. The silver lining is this lessens the possibility of a different frontcourt player transferring out over the next few years and we still have plenty of time to fill the 2015 slots. At the end of the day I TTS and they'll most likely make the correct decision regarding the degree to which we continue to pursue the young man. It's equally likely that he was excited to get to the Hilltop but maybe just not as excited as he would to get to Duke, for instance. From B&G's post, it seems like Noah was straightforward.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 4, 2014 16:40:42 GMT -5
I would be interested in knowing whether Noah contacted the staff and let them know he was withdrawing his commitment before he tweeted it. If he had the integrity to do that, then there is nothing to criticize just because a young man has had second thoughts - or more likely, because there has been increased interest from programs in which he may have great interest. However, if he did not let the staff know - as I fear he did not from blueandgray's comments - then that is a different issue. He did let the staff know. From the beginning, Noah liked the Hoyas, but he also liked other top notch programs. He was a bit anxious about making a decision and when his first choice didn't come calling, he wanted to relieve himself of the anxiety and committed to G'town. Then our front court became loaded (Govan) and at the same time he started rising and getting recognized by some of the schools he eyed all along. He then wanted to back out, let the staff know, and despite the staffs efforts...he decommitted. That simple. Then it is unfortunate he may not become a Hoya, but that is part of the process.
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 4, 2014 17:49:50 GMT -5
As far back as 6 months ago, he informed the staff that it was G'town or Duke...he was straight forward the whole time. Unfortunately, kids change their mind and he's entitled to do so. I do think he would have played a lot at the 4 since day one ...we could have really used a player with his skill set. It's still early and we have time to replace him.
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Post by dense on Jul 4, 2014 18:43:40 GMT -5
As far back as 6 months ago, he informed the staff that it was G'town or Duke...he was straight forward the whole time. Unfortunately, kids change their mind and he's entitled to do so. I do think he would have played a lot at the 4 since day one ...we could have really used a player with his skill set. It's still early and we have time to replace him. This makes sense and if it is the case then I am fine with it.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 4, 2014 19:21:07 GMT -5
As far back as 6 months ago, he informed the staff that it was G'town or Duke...he was straight forward the whole time. Unfortunately, kids change their mind and he's entitled to do so. I do think he would have played a lot at the 4 since day one ...we could have really used a player with his skill set. It's still early and we have time to replace him. Honestly, then he shouldn't have committed. If he was always going to wait fir Duke, he should have waited.
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Post by IDenj on Jul 4, 2014 20:33:28 GMT -5
And that's what he is doing here. He realizes he made a haste decision and wants to make sure all involved have an opportunity to move forward. Better now than in October.
Just opens up more room for Rabb.
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