Simian Prime
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Post by Simian Prime on Mar 24, 2005 23:22:35 GMT -5
Imagine coming into a coaching position with all your schollies open and ready to be filled...instead of having to wait for them to open.
Is it against NCAA regs to "buy" out the schollie positions?
"Stay in school, it igets paid, just leave the team". It probably is...
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on Mar 24, 2005 23:22:39 GMT -5
I agree YB. Next year's team in good enough on paper that we shouldn't sacrifice experience for potential two or three years down the road. Brandon and Ashanti stuck with us through some tough years and both have become good players - in BRandon's case, VERY good. I'd love to see an NCAA tourney for them and DJ would probably help us get there more than any of our recruiting targets excepting possibly Rush.
Depending on what happens with transfers and the like, it might not be an either/or.
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Simian Prime
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Post by Simian Prime on Mar 24, 2005 23:24:57 GMT -5
Because of YB's post, I am leaning more to the stay for the betterment of next year mentality.
Jeez, Why does March come only once a year?
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Mar 24, 2005 23:33:44 GMT -5
I don't feel too strongly about this but I feel someone should give a dissenting opinion...
After three years in the program, two of eligibility, DJ was given a starting position as a senior. He didn't assert himself and was relegated to the bench after a handful of games. He proved helpful in a few regular season games as an 3 point threat, assisting us in wins over Norfolk St., Pittsburgh, and Rutgers.
His point totals the last ten regular season games:
6, 0, 0, 4, 3, 2, 5, 8, 9, and 6. He shot 19-51 during this timeframe.
He turned it up in the post-season. Although we were unable to beat anybody of NCAA caliber, he went for an extremely impressive 14, 13, 17, 11, and 26 points in our five post-season games.
Some may look at the last five games as a sign of things to come. Personally, I think the time to shine would have been during his first 2.75 years. His post-season success reminds me of Ashanti Cook's a few years ago. The difference? Ashanti was a freshman. If DJ were a freshman or a sophmore I would be psyched about his future and his role on the team. But I'll need more than a few games to convince me we'll be getting "this" DJ and not the one who I've watched at the MCI the last three years. I love better late than never, but man has this come late.
That's it, just a dissenting opinion. I have nothing against DJ and if he returns I'll root my heart out for him. It'll just take more than a few games against mediocre teams for me to be convinced.
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YB
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Post by YB on Mar 24, 2005 23:45:58 GMT -5
I think those are valid points....
I still think experience can't be recruited. That's why I'd take, for next year only, with BB and AC returning, a third senior to take on the Anthony Perry role. Keep in mind how valuable he was during our run to the Sweet 16 in 2001.
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Simian Prime
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Post by Simian Prime on Mar 25, 2005 0:05:36 GMT -5
What I have noticed this year with DJ, is that when the level of play has increased, DJ has stepped up. That is something to look at. There are players who are like that.
I think I am in agreement with YB, I would rather have the exp. and take the shot, and let the chips fall, then work on something down the road. And hell, if one player makes the difference, then it makes no difference.
If anything, DJ has earned the prospect of an invite for next season, by his tourney and post play.
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Post by HoyaNCCT on Mar 25, 2005 0:51:56 GMT -5
Intersting comments by JT3 after the just shown on the news. He said "It's a tough way to end the season... DJ had a great game, tough to see that be the last of....(awkward pause)... the season."
Don't know if I'm reading into that...
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 25, 2005 0:55:46 GMT -5
I think DJ can offer a lot as a 5th year senior. He may have been playing for his chance to come back in the post-season. He probably realized how good we could be next year, and said "I want to be a part of that." I think he earned the chance to come back.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 25, 2005 2:31:33 GMT -5
If Owens comes back, does that mean he takes the last scholarship, and Wallace doesnt get one? Or if Owens comes back, theres one more spot left for Wallace/another recruit? Thanks in advance for the clarification.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 25, 2005 3:29:49 GMT -5
If DJ comes back, I'll be happy. If he doesn't, I'll wish him well. It's up to the coaching staff and I trust them.
But I do want to comment on something someone said. Someone said that DJ stepped it up against tougher competition. Sorry, folks, but crunchtime for this team was a five game stretch where we needed to win 2, and DJ, like many on the team, didn't show.
Now I don't think he's a choker. But I also don't think he's "clutch." DJ is a streaky player. That's it. Part of that is likely his reliance on the 3. He's a valuable player, but I'm hesitant to say he's stepped it up. He got hot. He had a SPECTACULAR game.
And he'll be a valuable addition to the team next year. But I can't say I expect double digit points and the type of play he's had over the past five for all next year.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 25, 2005 3:47:37 GMT -5
I get the feeling that it's finally "clicked" for Owens. The lightbulb went off and he's realized what he can and needs to do. If he comes back, I think we'll see consistent production out of him. Really, I think he should come back, but if the whole scholarship situation means he needs to go, I trust JT3 and co. to make the best decision for the program and the team.
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Post by hoyabinx on Mar 25, 2005 5:49:59 GMT -5
I was there tonight (last night) and he just "had it." I mean the entire game when he had the ball he looked like a leader almost. I saw it at Mcdonough too. I agree with Tbird. Something clicked with him in the post season and I would be willing to bet it is not just a fluke. Has he had a run like this ever before? Not that I know of. I would love to have him back. Although his defense tonight......he got blown by twice in a row in the second half. Of course he made 7 treys also......
I really want him back.
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Post by MassHoya on Mar 25, 2005 8:01:34 GMT -5
DJ should be asked back. He has developed tremendously as a player and would give us an immediate third scoring option next year with Jeff and Brandon. His experience and leadership would be invaluable to what will still be a young team.
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YB
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Post by YB on Mar 25, 2005 9:07:03 GMT -5
Any option to come back as a walk-on? Might that be the compromise?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 25, 2005 9:10:35 GMT -5
Are basketball players eligible for need-based scholarships?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 25, 2005 9:37:00 GMT -5
Are basketball players eligible for need-based scholarships? Of course they can, but that doesn't solve the problem. The NCAA allows up to 13 scholarships for men's basketball. It also sets a limit of 13 "counters" for men's basketball, which is the number of players that were ever recruited with athletics-based grants--this prevents a school of bringing in lots of kids on scholarship freshman year, converting them all to financial aid as sophomores, and stockpiling more and more players regardless of the 13 scholarship limit. Once a counter, always a counter, so if Owens didn't receive a scholarship, he would still count against the limit, i.e, Georgetown couldn't offer the 13th scholarship because its list of counters was full.
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Post by YB on Mar 25, 2005 10:04:49 GMT -5
What's your opinion, DFW? You think DJ should be asked to come back for BB's and AC's senior year?
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Mar 25, 2005 10:17:04 GMT -5
If he does come back, can we refer to him as Dr. Owens?
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 25, 2005 10:59:55 GMT -5
Of course they can, but that doesn't solve the problem. The NCAA allows up to 13 scholarships for men's basketball. It also sets a limit of 13 "counters" for men's basketball, which is the number of players that were ever recruited with athletics-based grants--this prevents a school of bringing in lots of kids on scholarship freshman year, converting them all to financial aid as sophomores, and stockpiling more and more players regardless of the 13 scholarship limit. Once a counter, always a counter, so if Owens didn't receive a scholarship, he would still count against the limit, i.e, Georgetown couldn't offer the 13th scholarship because its list of counters was full. So DFW, if a former GU recruit who chose and was currently attending another school, were to transfer here -- and possibly even pay his own way -- he would still count as one of the 13?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 25, 2005 11:11:39 GMT -5
So DFW, if a former recruit were to transfer here -- and possibly even pay his own way -- he would still count as one of the 13? Here's the NCAA ruling on this. Because he was recruited previously, he becomes a counter not when enrolling, but does when joining the team: 15.5.1.2.1 Football or Basketball, Varsity Competition. In football or basketball, a student-athlete who was recruited by the awarding institution and who receives institutional financial aid (as set forth in Bylaw 15.02.4.1) granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability does not have to be counted until the student-athlete engages in varsity intercollegiate competition (as opposed to freshman, B-team, subvarsity, intramural or club competition) in those sports. For this provision to be applicable, there shall be on file in the office of the athletics director certification by the faculty athletics representative, the admissions officer and the chair of the financial aid committee that the student’s admission and financial aid were granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability. (Revised: 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93, 1/11/94)"
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