skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 24, 2013 12:12:39 GMT -5
Let's see, CUSE, L"VILLE , PITT, WVA, UCONN and Cinncy will no longer be coming to the booth to play the HOYAS, I am not surre I want to continue to pay NBA prices to watch cupcakes and the C7. In 2015, the BigTen will be in town and no ACC. The season ticket packages are less appealing next year. You didn't have home games against UConn, Cincy, Notre Dame or WVU this season. You also didn't have Villanova at home. So the difference at home from this season is you lose Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers and get Villanova, Butler, Creighton, Xavier. we would have had them next year if the BE could hold their members
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 24, 2013 13:41:48 GMT -5
5 of the 8 old BE teams in the tournament lost in the first round. And Marquette did not look strong by any stretch. Sure, we may get one into the Final Four, but that doesn't mean the conference as a whole is any good. We're certainly in no position to look down our noses at the "mid-majors." And next year, maybe Butler, Creighton, and Xavier will better prepare us for the sort of "mid-major" competition that consistently whips our ass in the first round of the tournament. I'd rather that than 4 more games against Pitt and Cincinnati, where we learn how to shove bodies around but not actually play basketball at a high level. The old BE has been like training for a high-level martial arts tournament by participating in barroom brawls. I might be wrong, but just a thought. And a reason to be optimistic about the change in scenery next year. The point is that in a conference like where we will be, we will either need to win the reg season or the tourney to be guaranteed a bid to the NCAA. We are not going to have opportunities to beat Cuse, Uconn, Lville, Pitt, and if you think the new teams are equivalent that just doesn't hold up. Racking up wins against the crap that will comprise half or more of our conference schedule will not make us any better prepared for an NCAA run. For every appearance that Butler and VCU make in the Elite 8, there are literally hundreds of appearances from the power conferences. The only positive I can see is that we should be one of the better teams and will have a much better shot of gaining momentum in the conference tourney leading in to the NCAA, which could help. Getting a bid isn't going to be that challenging, but without the top shelf competition barring an amazing regular season record I think we can all exhale and recognize that it is very, very unlikely we are going to see a 2 or even a 3 seed again anytime soon. Look at where Memphis and the A-10 champs get seeded lately.
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 24, 2013 13:48:09 GMT -5
agree with big dog for a change
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2013 14:13:03 GMT -5
If 100% of the Hoyas' early round NCAA woes is half mental, perhaps not being a 2 or a 3 seed is not such a bad thing.
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 24, 2013 14:37:42 GMT -5
No way, go find the missing pieces.
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Post by detmut on Mar 24, 2013 16:38:28 GMT -5
If 100% of the Hoyas' early round NCAA woes is half mental, perhaps not being a 2 or a 3 seed is not such a bad thing. yep. i'd rather a 5 to 8 seed. and we know better than anyone that an 8 seed can win it all.
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Post by Eurostar on Mar 24, 2013 16:50:39 GMT -5
Getting a bid isn't going to be that challenging, but without the top shelf competition barring an amazing regular season record I think we can all exhale and recognize that it is very, very unlikely we are going to see a 2 or even a 3 seed again anytime soon. Look at where Memphis and the A-10 champs get seeded lately. Gonzaga was a 1 seed. We already schedule fairly well in the OOC. Maybe replace one lower end team with an old Big East member (ie Cuse or UConn), and we should have no problem getting high seeds as long as we take care of business.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 24, 2013 16:55:45 GMT -5
Getting a bid isn't going to be that challenging, but without the top shelf competition barring an amazing regular season record I think we can all exhale and recognize that it is very, very unlikely we are going to see a 2 or even a 3 seed again anytime soon. Look at where Memphis and the A-10 champs get seeded lately. Gonzaga was a 1 seed. We already schedule fairly well in the OOC. Maybe replace one lower end team with an old Big East member (ie Cuse or UConn), and we should have no problem getting high seeds as long as we take care of business. I'd try to get Louisville to schedule in the OOC. They are generally at their weakest in Nov/Dec and almost always turn out to be a very good win.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 24, 2013 17:48:28 GMT -5
The point is that in a conference like where we will be, we will either need to win the reg season or the tourney to be guaranteed a bid to the NCAA. We are not going to have opportunities to beat Cuse, Uconn, Lville, Pitt, and if you think the new teams are equivalent that just doesn't hold up. Racking up wins against the crap that will comprise half or more of our conference schedule will not make us any better prepared for an NCAA run. For every appearance that Butler and VCU make in the Elite 8, there are literally hundreds of appearances from the power conferences. The only positive I can see is that we should be one of the better teams and will have a much better shot of gaining momentum in the conference tourney leading in to the NCAA, which could help. Getting a bid isn't going to be that challenging, but without the top shelf competition barring an amazing regular season record I think we can all exhale and recognize that it is very, very unlikely we are going to see a 2 or even a 3 seed again anytime soon. Look at where Memphis and the A-10 champs get seeded lately. The new Big East currently had five in the NCAA Tournament, and that's with Xavier having an uncharacteristically off year. Please point me to the second Conference USA team in the tournament this season. Last I looked, Butler's been to two national title games since we've seen a Final Four Last I looked, Marquette is in the Sweet 16 Last I looked, we also schedule very aggressively in the preseason Stop trying to incite panic when the people on this board like me know that you're spouting BS Nothing worse on this board than garbage posters with agendas
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Post by deacon on Mar 25, 2013 9:23:31 GMT -5
Put this in Dwayne Morgan's recruiting thread, but it belongs here as well.
Via Adam Zagoria's Twitter account:
Georgetown coach JT3 told Dwayne Morgan's mentor, Dwayne Wise, they wd alter their Princeton offense & include more isos if he committed
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 25, 2013 9:25:52 GMT -5
that's what he told Chris Wright too
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Post by HarbinHoya on Mar 25, 2013 10:09:12 GMT -5
Seriously I'm not asking this to Edited off the mods, but will we ever get clarity on the Whittington suspension? Our season is over and it doesn't matter now, but in my opinion of JT3 as a coach and our collapse this season is highly tied to this issue. If Whittington was cleared to play by the university and was not allowed because coach wanted to make an example of him then I feel like coach wasted one of our best chances in recent memory to make a run. I also would feel strongly if I were a player and my coach wasted a year of my eligibility to set an example that I would be looking elsewhere. This is not a speculation thread, I don't understand why this whole issue has been so secret and do feel as a donor and fan that we have a right to know things like this. Anyone else agree/disagree?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2013 10:16:42 GMT -5
Seriously I'm not asking this to Edited off the mods, but will we ever get clarity on the Whittington suspension? Our season is over and it doesn't matter now, but in my opinion of JT3 as a coach and our collapse this season is highly tied to this issue. If Whittington was cleared to play by the university and was not allowed because coach wanted to make an example of him then I feel like coach wasted one of our best chances in recent memory to make a run. I also would feel strongly if I were a player and my coach wasted a year of my eligibility to set an example that I would be looking elsewhere. This is not a speculation thread, I don't understand why this whole issue has been so secret and do feel as a donor and fan that we have a right to know things like this. Anyone else agree/disagree? That what you described above is NOT wasting our best chances. It’s putting your priorities in proper perspective.. Student- Athlete.. If a coach showing his player the importance of an education causes said player to leave then I also have no problem with that.. That being said I think Greg understands, and will be back next season with a huge chip on his shoulder..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 25, 2013 10:26:46 GMT -5
I really think it depends on the rules and the situations. For example, if Georgetown's rules - which are made known to all the athletes - state that you must do X, or you are ineligible, then I am fine with a yearly suspension, even if it doesn't violate NCAA rules. As a program, you need to stick to the rules.
I think it's highly unlikely that JTIII simply decided to make Whittington an example, and benched him all season. I am sure JTIII would have liked to have Whittington on the bench. There's really no use in speculating, though, because we have no information and we know Georgetown won't provide any.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Mar 25, 2013 10:27:26 GMT -5
Seriously I'm not asking this to Edited off the mods, but will we ever get clarity on the Whittington suspension? Our season is over and it doesn't matter now, but in my opinion of JT3 as a coach and our collapse this season is highly tied to this issue. If Whittington was cleared to play by the university and was not allowed because coach wanted to make an example of him then I feel like coach wasted one of our best chances in recent memory to make a run. I also would feel strongly if I were a player and my coach wasted a year of my eligibility to set an example that I would be looking elsewhere. This is not a speculation thread, I don't understand why this whole issue has been so secret and do feel as a donor and fan that we have a right to know things like this. Anyone else agree/disagree? I strongly disagree. What we know is that Greg was academically ineligible to play. Speaking for myself, I find it unlikely that any coach would hold out a player for an entire season due to academics, if that player was otherwise eligible (school/NCAA). A few games, maybe, but an entire season? I find that hard to believe (mainly because any issue that would be serious enough for a coach to take that kind of stand on would also require some penalties at a higher level). But when it comes to the specifics of why a player is academically ineligible, no, I don't think I as a fan am entitled to knowing the details. Nor do I think the details of why a player is academically ineligible would do anything other than satisfy curiosity. Those details certainly wouldn't have an impact on how the season turned out. What we know is that early on, Coach said there was a "slim" chance that Greg would come back this season, and the way I read it, "slim" means "highly unlikely" which is what happened. While I am not an attorney, also think that the Federal Educational Right to Privacy Act (FERPA) probably limits what the University could publicly say about an athlete's or any other student's academic records, even if they wanted to.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 25, 2013 10:30:50 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: Further discussion of the above-cited (twice) rumor is out of bounds here and will be deleted. The specifics of Greg Whittington's academic situation are his business and this is not the forum to guess about it. Again, if he or the program wish to issue any further statement on the matter they can do so. Let us remind you that although we are supportive of the University, we (the moderators) do not represent the University nor do we have any 'inside' access that would permit us to answer such questions in this public forum.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 25, 2013 10:50:38 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: Further discussion of the above-cited (twice) rumor is out of bounds here and will be deleted. The specifics of Greg Whittington's academic situation are his business and this is not the forum to guess about it. Again, if he or the program wish to issue any further statement on the matter they can do so. Let us remind you that although we are supportive of the University, we (the moderators) do not represent the University nor do we have any 'inside' access that would permit us to answer such questions in this public forum. Amen.
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Post by brooklynhoya on Mar 25, 2013 13:07:47 GMT -5
Here's what I want for next season: 1. A team that does not turn the ball over more than 10 times a game over the season. This 12-14 turnovers avg. per game per year going back to 2005 has to stop. 2. A team with a 75% made FT rate- we have dropped in that category each of the past couple of years to where we were below 68% this past season. 3. A team that hits 50% or better of its FGs. I think we've done that exactly once since 2005, and not unsurprisingly, that was during our Final Four run. That, too has been in decline the past couple of years. 4. Finally, a team that can make the Sweet 16 would be nice; added bonus if I see another Final Four appearance in my lifetime (only 4 so far).
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 25, 2013 13:28:44 GMT -5
If 100% of the Hoyas' early round NCAA woes is half mental, perhaps not being a 2 or a 3 seed is not such a bad thing. Honestly, I think this is the biggest upside to the new Big East. We will not have our RPI numbers inflated by conference strength and can be mlore confident the team is not a product of a schedule but of actual accomplishment.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 25, 2013 14:13:42 GMT -5
Honestly, I think this is the biggest upside to the new Big East. We will not have our RPI numbers inflated by conference strength and can be mlore confident the team is not a product of a schedule but of actual accomplishment. Our RPI was "inflated" by our conference schedule? While RPI is a terrible statistic, we played good teams to earn that RPI. If you don't think that beating Louisville, SUcks twice, Marquette, ND on the road, and YouCon at Gampel is not actual accomplishment, then we can never meet such impossible standards. We lost, but let's not ignore reality.
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