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Post by This Just In on Mar 23, 2013 12:28:10 GMT -5
Dunphy's a better coach than III...but I'll take III in a minute over Brey and Alford Well Temple is still playing so that says something for Dunphy
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 23, 2013 12:29:27 GMT -5
Next season we play in a mid-major conference. Like Butler and Gonzaga and VCU play in this year? Frankly, I'm starting to think mid-majors are better than this overblown, over-hyper, over-physical, under-talented old Big East that we're getting the hell out of. until proven otherwise in a few days, the other teams from our conference are doing fine - even syracuse whom we beat twice in the season beat up some low major team by 46 pts. big east has always produced a final four team last how many years, and i am pretty confident that lousville has a good chance of making it two years on a row.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 23, 2013 12:32:04 GMT -5
Go deeper on the bench please. Domingo, Hayes and Bolden will be freshmen again. Let us hope that Josh can drop 50 and then drop 20 in games. Let us hope that Nate and Jabril will spend a summer practicing their shot. Let us hope that Hopkins gets stronger and learns how to finish. Let us hope that Whit returns as a more complete team player with an improved shot. Let us hope that DSR develops the ability to create a shot and that Cameron can shoot as advertised. Finally, let us hope that Bowen develops his outside shot and handle. Let Us Hope--after yesterday it is all we have.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 23, 2013 12:36:23 GMT -5
Jabril can improve, but Nate is finished. He is what he is at this point...gotta get that dude out of the starting lineup
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Post by This Just In on Mar 23, 2013 12:37:23 GMT -5
As long as everyone is in agreement that changes need to be made then no matter how stubborn JTIII, changes will be made...one can only deny issues for so long..
The definition of insanity- to keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
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Post by prhoya on Mar 23, 2013 12:42:43 GMT -5
Jabril can improve, but Nate is finished. He is what he is at this point...gotta get that dude out of the starting lineup If history is any indication, Nate will be co-captain and a starter, (plus he will have improved in some part of his game, hopefully the 10 footer).
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 23, 2013 12:50:38 GMT -5
interesting thoughts. would a team like temple beat fgcu? couple things: at halftime, i said to myself, 'fgcu is going to run more in the second half.' the did, their coach said it was their explicit goal to do that. they wanted to "play their game" and see what happened. GU had no answer.
in under-30 basketball, confidence is a b*tch in sunglasses. if you can't match it, you're the poodle she's walkin'
creo que GU should use the pick and roll more and also work extensively on defending it.
i disagree, i think that GU should run more within the offensive principles. But push it more. I really wish coach III would do this: run the princeton hybrid (princetown) but when you get there, DUNK the ball. be aggressive.
why not be creative and showtime within the confines of the offense? yeah-yeah not III's style...
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 23, 2013 12:52:39 GMT -5
Next season we play in a mid-major conference. Like Butler and Gonzaga and VCU play in this year? Frankly, I'm starting to think mid-majors are better than this overblown, over-hyper, over-physical, under-talented old Big East that we're getting the hell out of. Not a bad point. Fact of the matter is, we're in the Big East next year, and there will be some new faces. Maybe, just maybe, this change of scenery will help change our postseason fortunes. Porter is likely gone, but hopefully Whittington will be back to take his place. And then, barring transfers, which I don't envision because this team seems to get along pretty well, everyone else will be coming back. Hopefully Markel and Nate can provide some senior leadership that we lacked this year. We add Josh Smith mid-season. We have a chance to be very good again next season. By the way, this has the risk of derailing the thread, but do you consider the Mountain West a mid-major conference? Because I don't. I don't agree with using the RPI for everything, but statistically it was the top conference in the nation this year. I suppose I'd be more likely to call the A-10 a "mid major" conference, but look at them: 5 NCAA bids, and in the round of 32, all 5 teams are still playing. I also think that with conference realignment, this nomenclature is changing, and in the next 5-10 years, you'll hear people calling teams and conferences by these terms "high major/mid major/low major" less and less. The goal is to win a national championship and I still think we have a decent chance to do so in a very good reborn basketball conference starting next season.
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 23, 2013 12:53:20 GMT -5
things just seemed way too spread out for GU to be effective doing what got them a 2 seed. how do you combat that? press, hound.....
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 23, 2013 13:09:14 GMT -5
Except coaches don't change. It's not part of their DNA. Jim Boeheim is as likely to embrace the man-to-man about as Bo Ryan is going is going up-tempo. Therefore, JTIII will preach "hard work","rededication", and "focus" as buzzwords for 13-14. And a year from now, we'll all be on pins and needles as a 25-win Georgetown team meets a double digit team from Kennesaw State or Central Arkansas... because nothing will have changed.
One of the problems endemic to coaches in all sports is the mantra "it worked before, so it can work again." This is why the John Thompson teams of the early 1990's were so plodding and why guards like David Edwards and Charles Harrison chafed under that style of play. Craig Esherick ran the same plays that worked for Iverson and Page, except it was with Braswell and Perry instead. Georgetown was built on big men yet the staff refuses to realize that guards, not big men, drive NCAA success, and excepting Chris Wright's 10 day contract, no Georgetown guard has stuck in the NBA in 17 years.
The NCAA exposes teams that play out of position. In any one game, three of Georgetown's five starters play out of its natural position.
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Post by mattwhite12 on Mar 23, 2013 13:31:42 GMT -5
Until proven otherwise, i will expect gtown to have a great regular season.. anything under top 10-15 will be a failure. Then come tourney time, i am not expecting anything. Expect the worst and hope for the best is the new strategy i will try to take.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 23, 2013 13:35:38 GMT -5
I think we may see some changes from III. He clearly has to see the issue, he likley cost himself some serious money last night with his upcoming contract. Typically that will get a guy's attention.
On the court, the personnel is good enough to win the league again, but unless the mental approach to March changes, the end result will be the same. My optimistic hope is Josh Smith comes and is a revelation on the low block, giving us something 90% of CBB teams do not have. I would also hope the rotation expands to 8-9 and this allows us to uptempo the game by pressing in specific situations and being assertive on offense. That is when we were at our best this season, when the ball moved crisply and a decision was made to take a good shot regardless of shot clock.
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Post by chep3 on Mar 23, 2013 13:37:18 GMT -5
Except coaches don't change. It's not part of their DNA. Jim Boeheim is as likely to embrace the man-to-man about as Bo Ryan is going is going up-tempo. Therefore, JTIII will preach "hard work","rededication", and "focus" as buzzwords for 13-14. And a year from now, we'll all be on pins and needles as a 25-win Georgetown team meets a double digit team from Kennesaw State or Central Arkansas... because nothing will have changed. Only thing I disagree about is the pins and needles comment. I'm pretty sure the entire fanbase will just expect to lose. I know I'm sure as hell picking us to lose in our first game in all my brackets next year.
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Mar 23, 2013 13:37:32 GMT -5
DFW, I take your point that coaches, as a breed, tend to be conservative and resistant to change. However, the offense that we run has changed quite a bit over the years. I thought FGCU's offense looked more similar to the one that the Hoyas used to beat Duke (in the regular season), Northern Iowa, and Ohio State in 2006 than ours did.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 23, 2013 13:47:49 GMT -5
Except coaches don't change. It's not part of their DNA. Jim Boeheim is as likely to embrace the man-to-man about as Bo Ryan is going is going up-tempo. Therefore, JTIII will preach "hard work","rededication", and "focus" as buzzwords for 13-14. And a year from now, we'll all be on pins and needles as a 25-win Georgetown team meets a double digit team from Kennesaw State or Central Arkansas... because nothing will have changed. Only thing I disagree about is the pins and needles comment. I'm pretty sure the entire fanbase will just expect to lose. I know I'm sure as hell picking us to lose in our first game in all my brackets next year. Learned my lesson about after VCU: I usually have the GU bracket and the non-homer... cost twice as much but at least gives me a chance...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2013 13:50:01 GMT -5
Nate would be a more valuable asset if we had 4 guys who could score, so Nate could facilitate, score the occasional garbage bucket. With Hop and Jabril it is just too little offense.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 23, 2013 13:57:41 GMT -5
Starks will be a great player. Jabril and DSR should be better and more consistent. Expect Whittington to be outstanding and ready to make ip for lost time. Once Josh Smith starts playing this will be a Top 10 team.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 23, 2013 14:18:30 GMT -5
This team will have the players, the depth, and experience to be really, really good. The onus falls on III to realize this and use it to his advantage. Playing 6-7 guys next year is not an option imo, especially when Josh Smith enters the mix. The possibilities we will have in the second semester next year seem endless. If Thompson refuses to adapt his style to the players he has on the floor at any given time, then I'm giving up hope of him ever becoming less stubborn. We're going to have 9-10 guys that deserve to be in the rotation next year. We have tons of front court depth. We'll have the ability to go big or small and not really lose much. I have extremely high expectations for next year's team. I think Thompson has more to prove than any of the players. The onus is all on him.
Josh Smith is a beast. He WILL be the tonic for much of what ails us this year. He WILL be in better shape. And he WILL dominate on the block. I am fully confident of this.
Markel, Whit, Jabril, DSR, Smith, Lubick, Ayegba, Bowen, Cameron, Domingo...that's 10 guys right there that I think we can all agree deserve their share of PT next year. Thompson has all kinds of weapons and versatility at his disposal. USE THEM! I mean, just look at those 10 guys and think about all the game scenarios where we could put different combinations of guys on the floor and excel. We could play small, big, fast, slow, catchup, burn...I can find a combo of 5 guys from those ten that could succeed in any game situation. I actually think next year's team could be better than this year's, even without Otto.
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Post by TC on Mar 23, 2013 14:25:37 GMT -5
Except coaches don't change. It's not part of their DNA. Jim Boeheim is as likely to embrace the man-to-man about as Bo Ryan is going is going up-tempo. Therefore, JTIII will preach "hard work","rededication", and "focus" as buzzwords for 13-14. And a year from now, we'll all be on pins and needles as a 25-win Georgetown team meets a double digit team from Kennesaw State or Central Arkansas... because nothing will have changed. You act like that's a bad thing. If we're on pins and needles again next year with a 25-win team, I'll be ecstatic. It is literally the best we can hope for. It is amazing how many of you have become entitled to 25 wins and a regular season championship from a team that you constantly argue has systemic facility disadvantages.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 23, 2013 14:34:32 GMT -5
Like Butler and Gonzaga and VCU play in this year? Frankly, I'm starting to think mid-majors are better than this overblown, over-hyper, over-physical, under-talented old Big East that we're getting the hell out of. until proven otherwise in a few days, the other teams from our conference are doing fine - even syracuse whom we beat twice in the season beat up some low major team by 46 pts. big east has always produced a final four team last how many years, and i am pretty confident that lousville has a good chance of making it two years on a row. Five of the eight old BE teams in the tournament lost in the first round. And Marquette did not look strong by any stretch. Sure, we may get one into the Final Four, but that doesn't mean the conference as a whole is any good. We're certainly in no position to look down our noses at the "mid-majors." And next year, maybe Butler, Creighton, and Xavier will better prepare us for the sort of "mid-major" competition that consistently whips our ass in the first round of the tournament. I'd rather play that sort of "mid-major" competition than have four more games against Pitt and Cincinnati, where we learn how to shove bodies around but not actually play basketball at a high level. The old BE has been like training for a high-level martial arts tournament by participating in barroom brawls. I might be wrong, but just a thought. And a reason to be optimistic about the change in scenery next year.
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