HoNYaSaxa
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Post by HoNYaSaxa on Mar 11, 2013 11:57:53 GMT -5
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 11, 2013 11:58:54 GMT -5
I don't understand all the love for Louisville.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 11, 2013 12:07:03 GMT -5
I don't understand all the love for Louisville. I understand the argument that the game could have gone either way, but the Hoyas WON!!! People in the media keep forgetting that...even Jay Bilas mentioned last week that Louisville was threat to get to the Final Four due last year's run and did not mention us. With all the attention Louisville is getting you would have thought they won the game.
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Post by DoctorHoya on Mar 11, 2013 12:13:21 GMT -5
I don't understand all the love for Louisville. I understand the argument that the game could have gone either way, but the Hoyas WON!!! People in the media keep forgetting that...even Jay Bilas mentioned last week that Louisville was threat to get to the Final Four due last year's run and did not mention us. With all the attention Louisville is getting you would have thought they won the game. Villanova beat them and us... Why aren't they top 5? The argument is that Louisville has the pieces to make a run/ players returning from a year in which they made that run. A 3 pt victory over them by a team that has no players making it deep in the NCAA isn't going to deter that. We need another run to get the respect that we had in 2008
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DudeSlade
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Post by DudeSlade on Mar 11, 2013 12:15:26 GMT -5
I don't understand all the love for Louisville. I am equally confused, especially when we have essentially the same record (24-5 for us vs. 26-5 for them), shared the Big East title, and we beat them head-to-head. In trying to figure it out, I looked at our schedules to see if they had some really impressive wins or if there were really bad losses that separated us: Louisville Good Wins: Missouri Memphis Kentucky UConn Pitt Marquette Syracuse Notre Dame Louisville Losses: Duke Syracuse Villanova Georgetown Notre Dame Georgetown Good Wins: UCLA Tennessee Texas Notre Dame Louisville Marquette Syracuse UConn Syracuse Georgetown Losses: Indiana Marquette Pitt USF Villanova So my best guess is they have a couple slightly better OOC wins in Missouri & Kentucky vs. ours of Tennessee & Texas. But overall, our two teams seem very, very similar in record and performance. I can only think one of two things play in: 1) there is a wide media perception that we are heavily reliant on 1 guy and not as complete a team (a fallacy I think, proven by the Cuse game, but if it helps Otto win POY, I'm not too concerned), or 2) they started higher ranked than us, but by now you'd think that'd wear off. Regardless, I would have used head-to-head to break this deadlock, but who am I to trust results on the court?
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 11, 2013 12:17:39 GMT -5
I don't understand all the love for Louisville. I am equally confused, especially when we have essentially the same record (24-5 for us vs. 26-5 for them), shared the Big East title, and we beat them head-to-head. In trying to figure it out, I looked at our schedules to see if they had some really impressive wins or if there were really bad losses that separated us: Louisville Good Wins: Missouri Memphis Kentucky UConn Pitt Marquette Syracuse Notre Dame Louisville Losses: Duke Syracuse Villanova Georgetown Notre Dame Georgetown Good Wins: UCLA Tennessee Texas Notre Dame Louisville Marquette Syracuse UConn Syracuse Georgetown Losses: Indiana Marquette Pitt USF Villanova So my best guess is they have a couple slightly better OOC wins in Missouri & Kentucky vs. ours of Tennessee & Texas. But overall, our two teams seem very, very similar in record and performance. I can only think one of two things play in: 1) there is a wide media perception that we are heavily reliant on 1 guy and not as complete a team (a fallacy I think, proven by the Cuse game, but if it helps Otto win POY, I'm not too concerned), or 2) they started higher ranked than us, but by now you'd think that'd wear off. Regardless, I would have used head-to-head to bring this deadlock, but who am I to trust results on the court? It doesn't make any sense. We beat them. Now some may say, well Louisville has played really well the last month. But if that's the case then how come Kansas kept popping back in the top 4 when they have lost 4 times in the last month.
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HoNYaSaxa
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Post by HoNYaSaxa on Mar 11, 2013 12:19:21 GMT -5
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Post by This Just In on Mar 11, 2013 12:25:31 GMT -5
I don't understand all the love for Louisville. I am equally confused, especially when we have essentially the same record (24-5 for us vs. 26-5 for them), shared the Big East title, and we beat them head-to-head. In trying to figure it out, I looked at our schedules to see if they had some really impressive wins or if there were really bad losses that separated us: Louisville Good Wins: Missouri Memphis Kentucky UConn Pitt Marquette Syracuse Notre Dame Louisville Losses: Duke Syracuse Villanova Georgetown Notre Dame Georgetown Good Wins: UCLA Tennessee TexasNotre Dame Louisville Marquette Syracuse UConn Syracuse Georgetown Losses: Indiana Marquette Pitt USF Villanova So my best guess is they have a couple slightly better OOC wins in Missouri & Kentucky vs. ours of Tennessee & Texas. But overall, our two teams seem very, very similar in record and performance. I can only think one of two things play in: 1) there is a wide media perception that we are heavily reliant on 1 guy and not as complete a team (a fallacy I think, proven by the Cuse game, but if it helps Otto win POY, I'm not too concerned), or 2) they started higher ranked than us, but by now you'd think that'd wear off. Regardless, I would have used head-to-head to break this deadlock, but who am I to trust results on the court? Thanks for the info., I don't think we can count Texas right now as a good win...I dont even know if they will make the NIT's
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HoNYaSaxa
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Post by HoNYaSaxa on Mar 11, 2013 12:26:35 GMT -5
#5 far and away our most common ranking among the writers. Don't get the Annapolis writer ranking us at 9 or the Provo nut placing us at 11 below Oklahoma St and Kansas St. But, I guess if some of us on the East Coast are free to believe that the world ends at the Mississippi and begins again at California (allowing for blind spots when it's time to ski), he's entitled to his opinion as well. www.pollspeak.com/component/option,com_psreport/Itemid,3/lang,en/p,49/r,T/s,22/t1,121/v,0/w,19/
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 11, 2013 12:29:20 GMT -5
You guys are overthinking this a good deal. For better or worse, the way this works is that the voter looks at his ballot from the most immediate week and then analyzes who won and who lost (and to whom). Weeks ago, we jumped over Louisville when both teams had won both games in the same week because our wins were more impressive. This week, they beat two pretty good teams and we beat one pretty good team and lost to an unranked team. They were within a spot or two of us, so they jumped us. That's all there is to it. There are flaws with the RPI; there are flaws with the BPI; and there are obvious flaws to the human polls. Sometimes those flaws help us and sometimes they hurt. But there's no magic or suprise to how it works.
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Post by rustyshackleford on Mar 11, 2013 12:42:00 GMT -5
The logic for Louisville above is pretty straightforward - in addition to what aleutianhoya said they don't have a loss as bad as USF or one where they got beat as badly as Pitt. There's also the media narrative behind them because they were pre-ranked so highly and have lost mostly close games. The fact that we beat the should count but I can see somebody rationalizing it by saying home court advantage coupled with the margin makes it a wash in terms of who's better.
I think we match up well with Louisville and would beat them again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 12:47:31 GMT -5
#4 or #5 It’s still a top 5 finish in the regular season… A feather in the cap but a lot more work to do..
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 11, 2013 12:48:38 GMT -5
The main take-away from this poll is that if Georgetown wins the Big East tournament, it is the odds on favorite to secure the remaining #1 seed (assuming Duke, Gonzaga, and Indiana lock theirs down). It's also very difficult to envision us not getting a 2 seed, even if we lose to Providence/Cincy.
Good place to be right now. The voters clearly penalized Miami's loss to GTech and Kansas' loss to Baylor more than our loss to Nova. Nice.
If Hoyas win BET and Kansas wins B12T, then I suppose we could still be a 2 seed, but I think we get the nod due to strength of conference. Same thing goes even if Miami beats Duke in ACC finals. I think we get the nod over everyone if we win out.
Otherwise, we are a 2 seed and hopefully shipped out West.
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Post by hoyasexy on Mar 11, 2013 13:10:55 GMT -5
I'm in the DeLorean now, with the speedometer reaching the upper 80s. The flux capacitor is blinking (apparently, that's all it does), and the target date is set for 11/1/12. I'm going to post on this board that we are going to be ranked #5 at the end of the regular season and you guys are going to complain about it. I am prepared for the abuse.
And while I'm at it, I'm going to drop a nickel on the Ravens, who were just rolled by Texans 43-13. Anyone want a piece of that action?
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 11, 2013 13:16:04 GMT -5
I'm in the DeLorean now, with the speedometer reaching the upper 80s. The flux capacitor is blinking (apparently, that's all it does), and the target date is set for 11/1/12. I'm going to post on this board that we are going to be ranked #5 at the end of the regular season and you guys are going to complain about it. I am prepared for the abuse. And while I'm at it, I'm going to drop a nickel on the Ravens, who were just rolled by Texans 43-13. Anyone want a piece of that action? Well played.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 11, 2013 13:19:02 GMT -5
I'm in the DeLorean now, with the speedometer reaching the upper 80s. The flux capacitor is blinking (apparently, that's all it does), and the target date is set for 11/1/12. I'm going to post on this board that we are going to be ranked #5 at the end of the regular season and you guys are going to complain about it. I am prepared for the abuse.
And while I'm at it, I'm going to drop a nickel on the Ravens, who were just rolled by Texans 43-13. Anyone want a piece of that action? That's a good and funny post with the Back to the Future..reference
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DudeSlade
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Post by DudeSlade on Mar 11, 2013 13:31:13 GMT -5
I'm in the DeLorean now, with the speedometer reaching the upper 80s. The flux capacitor is blinking (apparently, that's all it does), and the target date is set for 11/1/12. I'm going to post on this board that we are going to be ranked #5 at the end of the regular season and you guys are going to complain about it. I am prepared for the abuse. And while I'm at it, I'm going to drop a nickel on the Ravens, who were just rolled by Texans 43-13. Anyone want a piece of that action? Very true (and funny). No complaints from me. Just trying to understand why the love for Louisville, because I wasn't overly impressed with them when we played them. I think I get it now -- they are essentially the same as us (record, etc.), but had a better week and started ranked higher. Makes sense. Pretty stoked to be a top 5 team this year.
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Post by HoNYaSaxa on Mar 11, 2013 13:35:01 GMT -5
I'm in the DeLorean now, with the speedometer reaching the upper 80s. The flux capacitor is blinking (apparently, that's all it does), and the target date is set for 11/1/12. I'm going to post on this board that we are going to be ranked #5 at the end of the regular season and you guys are going to complain about it. I am prepared for the abuse. And while I'm at it, I'm going to drop a nickel on the Ravens, who were just rolled by Texans 43-13. Anyone want a piece of that action? While you'e at it, can you travel forward to to 4/8/13 and let us know if any headlines read "Powered by 1.21 Ottowatts of pure Starkstonium, Hoyas Juice Orange for Fourth Time This Season, Win Championship"? K, Thanks. Note I'm fairly sure that Ray Ray's deer antler spray was produced under the private label "Flaccotonium."
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 11, 2013 13:37:16 GMT -5
Nice to see 2 Big East teams in the top 5, though I would have preferred one of our B7 brethren.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 11, 2013 13:37:42 GMT -5
Louisville is 10-1 since losing Jan. 26 at Georgetown in a game that could have gone either way, and their only loss since then was in 5 overtimes at Notre Dame.
Their profile looks a lot like ours. On offense, we shoot better but they rebound better and do not turn the ball over as much. On defense, they create more turnovers but we guard against the three better. All the other team stats are very similar.
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