deacon
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Post by deacon on Mar 21, 2013 10:20:30 GMT -5
Smoke forming.
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Post by IDenj on Mar 21, 2013 10:51:46 GMT -5
Good to hear. Are we talking white smoke or dark smoke?
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Post by deacon on Mar 21, 2013 11:05:48 GMT -5
The good kind.
Don't want to lead anyone on too much but from what I've been told, we're in VERY good shape.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Mar 21, 2013 11:16:01 GMT -5
Excellent!
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 21, 2013 11:19:07 GMT -5
Nice.
Deacon, you da man (hopefully).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 11:24:38 GMT -5
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Mar 21, 2013 11:42:56 GMT -5
who's the lead recruiter for him?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 11:54:37 GMT -5
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Post by gujake on Mar 21, 2013 15:32:28 GMT -5
man, i've only watched the videos from this thread, but Bentil looks terrific. plays hard. fights for rebounding position on every shot. always running the floor and getting putbacks. athletic. looks comfortable inside and out. seems like a great fit and someone who would have huge upside.
i'm surprised he's not getting more attention. great news, deacon.
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Post by hoyafan23 on Mar 21, 2013 18:01:09 GMT -5
Define good news? Top 3? Or a possible commitment?
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Post by MJGHoya on Mar 21, 2013 18:33:26 GMT -5
I live in Delaware but was unable to catch any of his games this year. He is from the same boarding school as Eric boateng (went to duke and transferred to asu). Prior to having kids I used to go to a bunch of hs games and cover the abcd camp & other things for the hoopscoop.
Back then I posted that boateng was extremely overrated and a project. I was somewhat expecting to see the same thing with bentil. I know they r only highlight clips but bentil looks like a legit player.
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Post by idhoya on Mar 21, 2013 19:36:40 GMT -5
will have locked up our 3 and 4 for '14, if he pops. Now need a 5 and a 1/2. Can't depend on Bolden and Hayes' development at this point.
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Post by daymondmyles on Mar 21, 2013 20:21:55 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with the Delaware scene other than Marc Egerson and Josh Thornton. I was thinking its pretty weak so I'm concerned he's not putting up dominating numbers but that could be way off base. Anybody have insight into the bball there or the teams he is playing against?
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 21, 2013 20:37:44 GMT -5
will have locked up our 3 and 4 for '14, if he pops. Now need a 5 and a 1/2. Can't depend on Bolden and Hayes' development at this point. Amazing how that works. When people like myself said maybe going after Hayes late last year was an overreaction to losing out on Noel we were greeted with responses that Hayes' potential was too much to pass up on. Are people giving up on him and that potential now? Already? Who is to say that the higher ranked recruits' development is more dependable? Also isn't this Bentil guy listed as a five and capable of playing the five in college? Why recruit a second center in the same class? What are the other quality centers the Hoyas are going after? Most importantly why do we think there's a chance III will play all of these guys in a rotation if Gtown brings in Copeland, Bentil and some other big? Maybe we should instead consider playing Copeland some at the four and Bentil some at the five. With Josh Smith likely to be around by the time they arrive as well as Hopkins and probably at least one from the pair of Hayes and Bolden, isn't that enough? And this isn't even taking into the consideration that Moses could still be around for their arrival too. I would think the Hoyas would not have to recruit another center until the '15 class.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 21, 2013 21:14:19 GMT -5
Bentil is 6'8--arguably big enough to play center in a pinch ala Nate, but pretty sure he's not going to be your center for a prolonged period. He's a power forward who has aspirations of developing his skills to the point where he can play 3.
I agree with id--I'd like a center as well and you can't count on the young guys to come through. I still like Hayes' potential, though wish he would have gotten a redshirt year. Big guys are always later to develop, and a guy like him who grew late especially. But that doesn't mean you can afford to let it ride on him. You always have to keep recruiting big guys, because you never know who will develop and when. If you stop recruiting big guys because you think you have it covered, you end up in a situation like we had in 2011 with a front court of Sr. Vaughn, Fr. Lubick, So. Benimon who was awful, Jr. Sims who was awful and Fr. Ayegba who couldn't get on the court even with the guys in front of him being awful. Guys like Hayes and even Bolden are worthwhile projects because the ceiling is high, but they can be hit or miss. I do not anticipate any kind of a scholarship shortage in 2014 and I'm guessing the staff isn't particularly concerned about that either. Every year we go through that whole exercise on Hoyatalk, where the staff is still recruiting even though we seem full, leading to much hand-wringing. And yet, it always works out for the best for everyone.
Anyhow on Bentil, I am reasonably impressed by his video. Very athletic and shows some skills too. I don't think he's been playing the game too long either. I think he'd be a great successor to Lubick for us. The only thing I'm a little wary about is that if we land him, we're most likely out of the mix for Lattin who I REALLY like. Not sure of our chances with him, but I think he'd be a great fit. It also probably ends our chances with Looney who is the highest regarded of the bunch by "the gurus." Just can't see us adding a 4/5 (who wants to be a 4) in Lattin or a 4/3 in Looney if we've already got a 3/4 in Copeland and a true 4 in Bentil. Think if we landed Bentil to go with Cope we'd really shift focus to point/combo guards and perhaps centers.
Anyhow, I'm sure the staff will sort that all out. There are a lot of good options out there and it's nice to be back in the mix with so many highly regarded prospects.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 21, 2013 21:25:35 GMT -5
Re: Ben Bentil '14 « Reply #22 on Mar 12, 2013, 12:30pm »
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 21, 2013 22:04:57 GMT -5
Bentil is 6'8--arguably big enough to play center in a pinch ala Nate, but pretty sure he's not going to be your center for a prolonged period. He's a power forward who has aspirations of developing his skills to the point where he can play 3. I agree with id--I'd like a center as well and you can't count on the young guys to come through. I still like Hayes' potential, though wish he would have gotten a redshirt year. Big guys are always later to develop, and a guy like him who grew late especially. But that doesn't mean you can afford to let it ride on him. You always have to keep recruiting big guys, because you never know who will develop and when. If you stop recruiting big guys because you think you have it covered, you end up in a situation like we had in 2011 with a front court of Sr. Vaughn, Fr. Lubick, So. Benimon who was awful, Jr. Sims who was awful and Fr. Ayegba who couldn't get on the court even with the guys in front of him being awful. Guys like Hayes and even Bolden are worthwhile projects because the ceiling is high, but they can be hit or miss. I do not anticipate any kind of a scholarship shortage in 2014 and I'm guessing the staff isn't particularly concerned about that either. Every year we go through that whole exercise on Hoyatalk, where the staff is still recruiting even though we seem full, leading to much hand-wringing. And yet, it always works out for the best for everyone. Anyhow on Bentil, I am reasonably impressed by his video. Very athletic and shows some skills too. I don't think he's been playing the game too long either. I think he'd be a great successor to Lubick for us. The only thing I'm a little wary about is that if we land him, we're most likely out of the mix for Lattin who I REALLY like. Not sure of our chances with him, but I think he'd be a great fit. It also probably ends our chances with Looney who is the highest regarded of the bunch by "the gurus." Just can't see us adding a 4/5 (who wants to be a 4) in Lattin or a 4/3 in Looney if we've already got a 3/4 in Copeland and a true 4 in Bentil. Think if we landed Bentil to go with Cope we'd really shift focus to point/combo guards and perhaps centers. Anyhow, I'm sure the staff will sort that all out. There are a lot of good options out there and it's nice to be back in the mix with so many highly regarded prospects. I would take Bentil over both Lattin & Looney RB. He's just as athletic/skilled as they are but @ a solid 225 he's much more physically gifted.. I also like the fact he's somewhat new to the game, the staff will coach him up. He has the potential to be the imposing type kid that this program hasn't had under JT3.
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Post by idhoya on Mar 21, 2013 22:07:06 GMT -5
MCI,
what have you seen from hayes and bolden that lead you to believe they'll develop? Nothing and neither have I; that's my point. As RB alluded to, you can't bank on whether they'll develop or not. If they both transfer then we're short two bigs. I wish we'd have more depth in the backcourt and I'm sure it'll be addressed. The staff is on Elbert Robinson hard (he visited during the Cuse game). He's a 6'11, 280 kid from Texas who's being recruited by Kansas and all the Texas schools. I'd love Looney, but that dream may be fading. Bentil appears to be a true 4 with face-up ability and a top 40 kid who fits. The feeling seems to be mutual between the two, so we'll see. Who's to say he's not hostile?
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Post by chep3 on Mar 21, 2013 22:15:42 GMT -5
id, I'd say the difference between Hayes and Bolden is that, while neither looks capable this year, Bolden's game has supposedly been static for 3 years. Would love to redshirt Hayes (like Gonzaga did with Olynyk), because I can't see him getting minutes over Josh and Moses (and to a lesser extent, Mikael) at the 5 for the next two years. Think there's still promise with Hayes, and you always want to give a big like that enough time to develop. I'm not confident that we'll get anything out of Bolden, but would love to be proved wrong.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 21, 2013 22:16:36 GMT -5
MCI, what have you seen from hayes and bolden that lead you to believe they'll develop? My man, like you I haven't seen jack**** (if you pardon my French). How could I considering III doesn't like large rotations? But then again I didn't see much of Moses before this season and one reason why people were so gung-ho on getting Hayes was because we hadn't seeny anything from Moses either that would lead us to believe he would develop. Now people actually want Moses to see more time on the floor. And this is what irritates me a bit. Not that a player doesn't develop or may not be any good, but that we here keep craving for the new toy, thinking the old toys we hardly touch are obsolete. But unfortunately when the new toy comes in it often doesn't live up to expectations and thus become an old toy itself left in the corner as we order another new one to take its place. The people here last year claiming Hayes was a must get....where are they now?
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