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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 26, 2013 19:00:56 GMT -5
We haven't played with a center all season....so yeah...we've won 14
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 26, 2013 19:11:37 GMT -5
We haven't played with a center all season....so yeah...we've won 14 Exactly. I want us to start Moses as much as anyone but that's not realistic right now. Start by making Lubick our starting pf-as-center and play Moses more off the bench. Not perfect, but better than what we have right now by a long shot. |
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Post by Eurostar on Jan 26, 2013 19:49:11 GMT -5
I think starting Hopkins is fine. He is going to be a good player for us by the time his career is over. That being said, he's had a tough year and Moses certainly brings just as much to the table right now without those 2-3 times per game when Hopkins tries to do too much and turns the ball over.
I think they should be getting similar amounts of minutes at this point - about 10-15min per game each, with Lubick playing the remaining minutes at Center.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 27, 2013 9:51:18 GMT -5
Agree about Hopkins. He needs to see the floor for some mins every game. I like the fact that he's been cut back, but playing him will help down the road. I would be willing to bet that Hopkins practices far better than he's shown in game performances. We've seen Hopkins play much better than this. I don't think Lubick would be playing as well as he is if he were benched last yr, as so many were calling for coach to do. Hopkins can be used judiciously. At this point, let him continue to see the floor.
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Post by hoyabinx on Jan 27, 2013 11:55:58 GMT -5
Today it ends right? The starting lineup is Starks, DSR, Jabril, Otto, Nate next game. It has to be. Hop can be a very experienced eighth man. And it's not bad to have if there's foul trouble. If GW comes back, I like Starks, Jabril, GW, Otto, Nate, with DSR first off the bench. Ultimately who starts doesn't matter. It matters immensely to the players themselves, but I don't think it makes a difference in the game. |
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Post by bigelephant on Jan 27, 2013 12:02:01 GMT -5
Does Moses make foul shots?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 12:43:53 GMT -5
Does Moses make foul shots? 45% |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 12:45:12 GMT -5
Hopkins is fine starting… If he’s not playing well Coach will limit his minutes..
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Post by prhoya on Jan 27, 2013 21:45:23 GMT -5
In 7 BE games, Hopkins has:
Minutes: 131 mins. for 19 mins./g.
FGs: 30 FGAs (or 4 shots/game) and made 10 for 1.4 made/game and 33%. He's also 0 of 1 from 3.
FTs: 14 FTAs for 2 per game and made 8 Fts for 57%.
Rebounds: 6 rbs or 0.9 rbs/g.
Assists: 9 asts or 1.3 ast/g.
Blocks: 7 blks or 1 blk/g.
Steals: 5 stls or 0.7 stls/g.
TOs: 13 TOs or 1.9 TOs/g.
Pts: 19 pts. or 2.7 pts/g.
Looking at the numbers, there's no reason to play him 19 minutes per game. There isn't one area that right now makes him an asset. A center with 33% FG who does not block shots, is allergic to rebounding at an unthinkable rate and has a higher TO/g than AST/g in our offense has not earned 19 minutes per game and is an obstacle out there. Experience playing in the system? In 2011-2012, he played 6.8 minutes. That's not an advantage for Hopkins. Strength? Hopkins hasn't shown it. As a matter of fact, it's a negative for him. Hopkins needs to work hard in practice and the weight room.
Right now, any option is equal or better than Hopkins because it cannot be worse. Give more minutes to Moses and try to give Hayes minutes to see what he can do. He would be getting valuable experience. Who knows what could happen, but it cannot be worse. If Hayes gets 1 rebound and a basket, he's at MH's level.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 27, 2013 23:11:41 GMT -5
In 7 BE games, Hopkins has: Minutes: 131 mins. for 19 mins./g. FGs: 30 FGAs (or 4 shots/game) and made 10 for 1.4 made/game and 33%. He's also 0 of 1 from 3. FTs: 14 FTAs for 2 per game and made 8 Fts for 57%. Rebounds: 6 rbs or 0.9 rbs/g. Assists: 9 asts or 1.3 ast/g. Blocks: 7 blks or 1 blk/g. Steals: 5 stls or 0.7 stls/g. TOs: 13 TOs or 1.9 TOs/g. Pts: 19 pts. or 2.7 pts/g. Looking at the numbers, there's no reason to play him 19 minutes per game. There isn't one area that right now makes him an asset. A center with 33% FG who does not block shots, is allergic to rebounding at an unthinkable rate and has a higher TO/g than AST/g in our offense has not earned 19 minutes per game and is an obstacle out there. Experience playing in the system? In 2011-2012, he played 6.8 minutes. That's not an advantage for Hopkins. Strength? Hopkins hasn't shown it. As a matter of fact, it's a negative for him. Hopkins needs to work hard in practice and the weight room. Right now, any option is equal or better than Hopkins because it cannot be worse. Give more minutes to Moses and try to give Hayes minutes to see what he can do. He would be getting valuable experience. Who knows what could happen, but it cannot be worse. If Hayes gets 1 rebound and a basket, he's at MH's level. I didn't realize he was that bad. Anything under 50% FG% is horrible for a big man (non 3pt shooting big man). |
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Post by prhoya on Feb 2, 2013 16:01:10 GMT -5
In 8 BE games, Hopkins has:
Minutes: 151 mins. for 19 mins./g.
FGs: 34 FGAs (or 4 shots/game) and made 11 for 1.38 made/game and 32%. He's also 0 of 1 from 3.
FTs: 15 FTAs for 1.88 per game and made 8 Fts for 53%.
Rebounds: 8 rbs or 1 rb/g.
Assists: 11 asts or 1.38 ast/g.
Blocks: 8 blks or 1 blk/g.
Steals: 7 stls or 0.88 stls/g.
TOs: 14 TOs or 1.8 TOs/g.
Pts: 21 pts. or 2.6 pts/g.
Hope he's effective today, but if not JT3 needs to give other players a try and more minutes to Moses. Keep working hard, Hops.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 2, 2013 16:17:52 GMT -5
In 8 BE games, Hopkins has: Minutes: 151 mins. for 19 mins./g. FGs: 34 FGAs (or 4 shots/game) and made 11 for 1.38 made/game and 32%. He's also 0 of 1 from 3. FTs: 15 FTAs for 1.88 per game and made 8 Fts for 53%. Rebounds: 8 rbs or 1 rb/g. Assists: 11 asts or 1.38 ast/g. Blocks: 8 blks or 1 blk/g. Steals: 7 stls or 0.88 stls/g. TOs: 14 TOs or 1.8 TOs/g. Pts: 21 pts. or 2.6 pts/g. Hope he's effective today, but if not JT3 needs to give other players a try and more minutes to Moses. Keep working hard, Hops. Well hes past his FG made per game  Hes playing well on offense so far but thats the only positive of the beginning of this game. |
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Post by prhoya on Feb 2, 2013 16:58:00 GMT -5
And Moses with 0 pts and 3 fouls...
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 2, 2013 17:04:08 GMT -5
And Moses with 0 pts and 3 fouls... Yep, this is why Hopkins should and will remain the starter, his potential is just so much higher. At the same time, if Hopkins continues to play well on both ends, I don't think that should start to exclude Moses. Hop will never be a top rebounder and doesn't have the size against bigger guys. Glad to see both these players getting minutes! |
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 2, 2013 17:07:01 GMT -5
And Moses with 0 pts and 3 fouls... Yep, this is why Hopkins should and will remain the starter, his potential is just so much higher. Don't think it's a foregone conclusion at all that Hop has higher ceiling than Moses but whatever. |
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Post by prhoya on Feb 2, 2013 17:14:12 GMT -5
And Moses with 0 pts and 3 fouls... Yep, this is why Hopkins should and will remain the starter, his potential is just so much higher. At the same time, if Hopkins continues to play well on both ends, I don't think that should start to exclude Moses. Hop will never be a top rebounder and doesn't have the size against bigger guys. Glad to see both these players getting minutes! Rebounding is not just about size. |
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Post by DoctorHoya on Feb 2, 2013 17:15:20 GMT -5
Yep, this is why Hopkins should and will remain the starter, his potential is just so much higher. At the same time, if Hopkins continues to play well on both ends, I don't think that should start to exclude Moses. Hop will never be a top rebounder and doesn't have the size against bigger guys. Glad to see both these players getting minutes! Rebounding is not just about size. Truth... DSR for example |
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 2, 2013 17:21:59 GMT -5
Yep, this is why Hopkins should and will remain the starter, his potential is just so much higher. At the same time, if Hopkins continues to play well on both ends, I don't think that should start to exclude Moses. Hop will never be a top rebounder and doesn't have the size against bigger guys. Glad to see both these players getting minutes! Rebounding is not just about size. Thats not my point. He is a weak rebounder AND is weak against bigger guys. He needs size for the latter and not sure about the former. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 2, 2013 17:36:49 GMT -5
Don't think it's a foregone conclusion at all that Hop has higher ceiling than Moses but whatever. Hop still does have the offensive skills he just lost all confidence and could not do anything. Obviously I wish he was a better rebounder but he is a better all around player then Moses is this season just has not been playing up to his abilities at all. Over their careers, I agree with you...both players have a lot of time left. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 2, 2013 18:22:57 GMT -5
This was Hops best game in quite a while 8 points, 3 rebounds.
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Hes playing well on offense so far but thats the only positive of the beginning of this game.