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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2013 16:29:18 GMT -5
Yeah, Brey has some genius game planning. Personally, I am hoping he picks the one he used last year when we beat them by 30 points. Not picking on you Jook, just answering several things in this reply. I think Brey is a goofball but the guy makes adjustments and gameplans. Is he BE COY every year worthy? No--but he does a nice job of doing what gives his team the best chance to compete/win against opponents. Sometimes he plays aggressive/fast, others he takes air out of ball and bores the crap out of them. But it's his job and unlike so many who "do what we do"--it's smart. Brey has held his own against III and often with far less talent--not sure where we're getting this entitled dominance angle from? III is stubborn. Doing the same thing over when it's been proven that another approach works best for your team is being stubborn. Lost 3 games he did this-and blew a huge lead in other game that he decided to pull the ball out/held on due to the huge 1st Half built on plaing aggressively. Most impressive conference game--the team was aggressive and blew out a team. What's difficult about seeing this? Those of you who deny the press--you do realize there are different ways to pressure someone? It doesn't have to be the same thing you've shown on film repeatedly but this is a "we do what we do" program, so no need for false hope of throwing things at a team that take them by surprise or more importantly imo--are specific to their weaknesses. Cincinnati pressured Pitt and it turned the game in their favor. If you don't have personnel like Cincinnati--probably not the best idea to try and press like them. USF is a tempo team. Letting collins walk it up and play how they were playing was allowing them to dictate tempo. Pace and tempo aren't just about stops either--get the damn ball into the frontcourt and start the offense quicker. Move the ball--play with urgency and tempo. Same conversation/different year. For those who cling to stats-that stat about what the program's record under III is when they score 69 pts or more seems to be pretty supportive of those of us who despise the slow snail pace the coach seems to prefer. "Not making shots" isn't an excuse. Lots of teams are filled with brick tossers or young teams and they score into the 60's for christ sake. Not getting FG attempts is more damning. Players who settle for jumpers and can't get to the FT line and then whining about not getting there-well quit taking jumpers with 5 seconds or less on shot clock and drive the ball. Nothing like seeing III get all upset with officials (Pitt game) when it's his own doing. Want to see improvement. If they don't win another game but players improve--fine. If they play guys who continue to kill the team, and sit others, I'd hope that I'd be far from only fan upset. Just show improvement and the ability to adjust and as I've stated-the biggest adjustments need to take place after the season--administrative, recruiting, and style of play. Stuck with this for now and just want to see them play more aggressive and less robotic.
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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2013 16:32:02 GMT -5
If Hopkins starts tonight, I might be joining RDF in thinking our coach is stubborn and/or dumb. First, who cares who starts? If that is how we judge college coaches it is time to take some names out of the Hall of Fame. Coaches rarely change starting line-ups for all types of reasons, it is playing time that matters. My guess, Hopkins starts opposite of Cooley and plays 15 minutes and picks up 4 fouls. And to SF's point, the Hoyas are clearly inferior to ND. There is no shame in this, they returned all 5 starters from last year and we returned 2. We get a puncher's chance in this game, if we win, we should all be elated. The only disappointment for me is if we are not competitive or put forth an effort. True--but we've also seen less talented ND teams beat III's and were allowed to dominate how the game was played. I'm with you 100% if they play competitive and put forth a strong showing and lose. Just don't find that loss Saturday acceptable at all and really have questions about the level of staff to understand how this year's team is best suited to play.
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Jan 21, 2013 16:43:10 GMT -5
This is as negative as I have seen the Board in years. Just think about future recruiting if "fans" are this down on the program. I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labodomy.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 21, 2013 17:24:28 GMT -5
I for one think the only reason we may be underdogs here is because we're on the road in a building where ND almost never loses (though they just lost to UConn). I don't think ND is a better team than us, I just happen to think Brey knows how to outcoach III (as do Dixon and Cronin). I'm not saying we can't or won't win. I actually think we can and should beat them. I'm merely trying to point out the correlation between what are generally our better overall performances and the speed at which we play in those games. Factor in no Whittington, which clearly has a huge impact on our halfcourt D, and it's all the more reason we need to speed up the offense and get many more shots off to make up for our general offensive inefficiency.
It's just frustrating that as soon as anyone suggests we speed up the offense a little, people jump to the conclusion that we're advocating playing like VCU. Speeding it up does not mean Havoc. It means understanding that this team struggles to score in the halfcourt, so do whatever we can to get easy buckets where we can. It means maximizing the number of possessions per game because when you average .995 points per possession (178th in the nation, fyi) and you get 55 possessions, well you can do the math.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." -Wayne Gretzky
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 21, 2013 17:31:28 GMT -5
If Hopkins starts tonight, I might be joining RDF in thinking our coach is stubborn and/or dumb. First, who cares who starts? If that is how we judge college coaches it is time to take some names out of the Hall of Fame. Coaches rarely change starting line-ups for all types of reasons, it is playing time that matters. My guess, Hopkins starts opposite of Cooley and plays 15 minutes and picks up 4 fouls. And to SF's point, the Hoyas are clearly inferior to ND. There is no shame in this, they returned all 5 starters from last year and we returned 2. We get a puncher's chance in this game, if we win, we should all be elated. The only disappointment for me is if we are not competitive or put forth an effort. I don't care what other coaches in history have done. I'm tired of watching our starting center stink up the court when we have a big, under-used body on the bench. No, Moses hasn't been a star, yet, but he has done some good things. And he's certainly been better than Mikael. Time to play our best five (or at least the best five we can while still covering all the positions).
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 21, 2013 17:32:00 GMT -5
I think your points are valid, RDF, but as others mentioned, I am surprised to see people so negative about this team. As I said before, I suspect a lot of that has to do with the fact that we haven't won a good game in a while. For instance, in watching Cinci play, do you really think they are much better than us? The only difference is that they have a couple of good wins.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Jan 21, 2013 17:47:44 GMT -5
I think your points are valid, RDF, but as others mentioned, I am surprised to see people so negative about this team. As I said before, I suspect a lot of that has to do with the fact that we haven't won a good game in a while. For instance, in watching Cinci play, do you really think they are much better than us? The only difference is that they have a couple of good wins. Jook I think part of the reason fans are so down on this team and its prospects is that fans put unreasonable expectations on this team. This is a rebuilding year and our holes are pretty apparent. Our non-conference opponents were pretty subpar, outside of Indiana. I really dont look at UCLA as being a great win because that program is really struggling, despite the hype machine behind them. As far as Cincy goes, I think that team is pretty good and probably has the conference player of the year leading them in Kirkpatrick. They defend at a high level and when things break down can go a couple different places for a bucket. Their bigs are also better than ours, especially on the rebounding and defensive fronts. I dont see this team making the tourney and I expect a loss today. We are rebuilding. I just want to see the players get better over time as they get more experience and that is something that doesn't appear to be happening at the moment, which is troubling.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 21, 2013 17:48:09 GMT -5
I think your points are valid, RDF, but as others mentioned, I am surprised to see people so negative about this team. As I said before, I suspect a lot of that has to do with the fact that we haven't won a good game in a while. For instance, in watching Cinci play, do you really think they are much better than us? The only difference is that they have a couple of good wins. Much better? No. Better? Definitely. Similar defensively, better offensively, and light years ahead of us rebounding the ball, especially offensively. Back to ND discussion...
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Post by calhoya on Jan 21, 2013 17:59:05 GMT -5
I think your points are valid, RDF, but as others mentioned, I am surprised to see people so negative about this team. As I said before, I suspect a lot of that has to do with the fact that we haven't won a good game in a while. For instance, in watching Cinci play, do you really think they are much better than us? The only difference is that they have a couple of good wins. Jook I think part of the reason fans are so down on this team and its prospects is that fans put unreasonable expectations on this team. This is a rebuilding year and our holes are pretty apparent. Our non-conference opponents were pretty subpar, outside of Indiana. I really dont look at UCLA as being a great win because that program is really struggling, despite the hype machine behind them. As far as Cincy goes, I think that team is pretty good and probably has the conference player of the year leading them in Kirkpatrick. They defend at a high level and when things break down can go a couple different places for a bucket. Their bigs are also better than ours, especially on the rebounding and defensive fronts. I dont see this team making the tourney and I expect a loss today. We are rebuilding. I just want to see the players get better over time as they get more experience and that is something that doesn't appear to be happening at the moment, which is troubling. I agree with you about this being a rebuilding year. The issue is whether next year is going to be another rebuilding year. My concern is solely that with 5 freshmen and only 1 getting any playing time how are any of them going to improve significantly by next year. Is Domingo adjusting to the level and pace of college ball by sitting on the bench during blowout wins like St. Johns? That is the problem we see with Hopkins, who was used sparingly last year. The same is true for Moses. I can handle a rebuilding year, but we are currently not assured that anything will get better next year, particularly if Whittington is not back and Porter goes pro. That will make the Board this year seem like a lovefest.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 21, 2013 18:07:54 GMT -5
I agree with you about this being a rebuilding year. The issue is whether next year is going to be another rebuilding year. My concern is solely that with 5 freshmen and only 1 getting any playing time how are any of them going to improve significantly by next year. Is Domingo adjusting to the level and pace of college ball by sitting on the bench during blowout wins like St. Johns? That is the problem we see with Hopkins, who was used sparingly last year. The same is true for Moses. I can handle a rebuilding year, but we are currently not assured that anything will get better next year, particularly if Whittington is not back and Porter goes pro. That will make the Board this year seem like a lovefest. Exactly. My issues are with the man on sideline. I love how our kids have played and improved so far this season when given the opportunity. Look what DSR has done since being forced into the lineup because of the Greg debacle. The discouraging part is that had Greg never hit this speed bump, would anything have changed? We'll never really know, but given Thompson's track record (::cough:: Vee Sanford), my guess is probably not. Kids don't get better by not playing. And if it's a rebuilding year, fine, then let it be a rebuilding year. But he hasn't coached like it's a rebuilding year. So if his expectations are that high, why shouldn't ours be?
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 21, 2013 19:41:06 GMT -5
I hate espn....and okla st...stop fouling!!
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 21, 2013 19:42:06 GMT -5
Hopkins started
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 21, 2013 19:42:27 GMT -5
And immediately picked up a foul...
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Post by prhoya on Jan 21, 2013 19:43:23 GMT -5
Keep posting updates pls... still watching the other game...
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Post by detmut on Jan 21, 2013 19:43:49 GMT -5
who does the scheduling? how do we have 2 away games in 3 days?
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 21, 2013 19:44:14 GMT -5
Check espn news... Porter on a back door fouled...tied at two
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 21, 2013 19:44:57 GMT -5
Lublick with a layup up two
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 21, 2013 19:45:44 GMT -5
Porter with a three up five...playing fast
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Post by prhoya on Jan 21, 2013 19:46:14 GMT -5
Game's on
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 21, 2013 19:46:33 GMT -5
Trawick with a threes...up six
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