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Post by profquigley on Jan 21, 2013 10:10:41 GMT -5
South Florida hit 7 threes in the first ten minutes of the second half. Is it me or do the Hoyas always seem to bring out the best in our opponents 3 point shooters? Davidson, VCU etc. plus, notice how these 3 point runs seem to always start after some opponent hits a crazy 3 with 1 second left on the shot clock. It seems to demoralize us. Play great defense for 34 seconds and then have a desperate 3 go in. It also has to hurt us mentally because we then have to go back down and run our offense for 25-30 seconds and maybe get a good back door. I think our style of offense collapses when other teams get hot from the 3. You work your ass off setting picks and running cuts and don't score and then your opponent hits 5-6 threes in a row. Subconsciously our guys have to know they are running uphill. Just a theory...
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Post by chep3 on Jan 21, 2013 11:34:50 GMT -5
I agree with you generally. Saturday's disaster involved a lot of open looks, not a lot of hail mary 3s.
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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2013 12:18:58 GMT -5
Anxioius to see if ND engages III in the "Burn" or if they try to play faster knowing that Georgetown is less talented offensively. Brey is one of the few coaches who changes his approach based on gameplanning--if he thinks he can outscore you-he'll play faster, if he thinks he can't match up--he slows it down. Novel concept, that wacky "gameplanning".
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 21, 2013 12:19:26 GMT -5
If there was ever a game for III to loosen the reins and just let these kids play ball, it's tonight. It's blatantly apparent at this point that we struggle mightily to score in the half court against even mediocre defensive teams. We get almost no easy baskets. Ever. The way to combat that is to speed up the game, get more possessions, and ideally get more easy looks in transition. Notre Dame is an extremely efficient offensive team full of upperclassmen who want to slow the game as much as possible. We will not beat them on their floor at their game. It just won't happen. Clearly our halfcourt D is not even close to the same level without Greg, so press the hell out of them, try to force TOs, and try to get easy buckets. Or draw some fouls and make some FTs. Even off of made baskets, inbound the ball and push it up the court with intention of trying to get a GOOD look early in the shot clock. I'm not talking about a UNC pace, but a little urgency would go a long way in this matchup. Being content to walk the ball up the floor and let the defense set up works when you've got a veteran team that's highly efficient on offense (ND). IMO we are the more athletic team. How about we use that to our advantage tonight?
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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2013 12:22:15 GMT -5
If there was ever a game for III to loosen the reins and just let these kids play ball, it's tonight. It's blatantly apparent at this point that we struggle mightily to score in the half court against even mediocre defensive teams. We get almost no easy baskets. Ever. The way to combat that is to speed up the game, get more possessions, and ideally get more easy looks in transition. Notre Dame is an extremely efficient offensive team full of upperclassmen who want to slow the game as much as possible. We will not beat them on their floor at their game. It just won't happen. Clearly our halfcourt D is not even close to the same level without Greg, so press the hell out of them, try to force TOs, and try to get easy buckets. Or draw some fouls and make some FTs. Even off of made baskets, inbound the ball and push it up the court with intention of trying to get a GOOD look early in the shot clock. I'm not talking about a UNC pace, but a little urgency would go a long way in this matchup. Being content to walk the ball up the floor and let the defense set up works when you've got a veteran team that's highly efficient on offense (ND). IMO we are the more athletic team. How about we use that to our advantage tonight? I'm hoping Brey plays faster (it's about the other team--III never dictates pace--the opposing teams do) as it'll give Hoyas their best chance to compete and make for a watchable game. If it's the burn--then time to let the DVR take over and find something to do for hour and change and see how it went--watch/skim through the 7 min drought and move onto Louisville this weekend.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 21, 2013 12:33:17 GMT -5
If there was ever a game for III to loosen the reins and just let these kids play ball, it's tonight. It's blatantly apparent at this point that we struggle mightily to score in the half court against even mediocre defensive teams. We get almost no easy baskets. Ever. The way to combat that is to speed up the game, get more possessions, and ideally get more easy looks in transition. Notre Dame is an extremely efficient offensive team full of upperclassmen who want to slow the game as much as possible. We will not beat them on their floor at their game. It just won't happen. Clearly our halfcourt D is not even close to the same level without Greg, so press the hell out of them, try to force TOs, and try to get easy buckets. Or draw some fouls and make some FTs. Even off of made baskets, inbound the ball and push it up the court with intention of trying to get a GOOD look early in the shot clock. I'm not talking about a UNC pace, but a little urgency would go a long way in this matchup. Being content to walk the ball up the floor and let the defense set up works when you've got a veteran team that's highly efficient on offense (ND). IMO we are the more athletic team. How about we use that to our advantage tonight? I'm hoping Brey plays faster (it's about the other team--III never dictates pace--the opposing teams do) as it'll give Hoyas their best chance to compete and make for a watchable game. If it's the burn--then time to let the DVR take over and find something to do for hour and change and see how it went--watch/skim through the 7 min drought and move onto Louisville this weekend. You're right. It's mostly wishful thinking on my part I guess. Valid point you raise about Brey and his approach to tempo. Fingers crossed that he thinks he can outscore us and opens it up some.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 21, 2013 12:37:28 GMT -5
No, III rarely has them push it. III teams have often dictated the pace, and when our offense was wildly efficient, it was frustrating as hell for the other teams. Just because it isn't the pace you want, doesn't mean Georgetown hasn't dictated the pace before.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 21, 2013 12:50:02 GMT -5
No, III rarely has them push it. III teams have often dictated the pace, and when our offense was wildly efficient, it was frustrating as hell for the other teams. Just because it isn't the pace you want, doesn't mean Georgetown hasn't dictated the pace before. Our offense is not wildly efficient anymore. Which is why we need easy buckets where we can get them. When have you seen us ever force an uptempo team to slow down? Almost unequivocally we play at their pace and generally the results are pretty good. We played back to back games against teams that are currently in the top 70 in adj. tempo earlier in the season and those were probably the two best games we played all year. Why? Because we chose to play at their pace, i.e.~70 possessions. In contrast, we grinded out games against Marquette, Pitt, and USF at ~55 possessions and what happened? We beat Marquette last year playing at their pace (which last year was top 15 in adj. tempo). Remember the game against Missouri in 2011 where we decided to run with them? This team is way too inefficient to win games when we only get 55 possessions per game. We need more possessions. We need more shots. ESPECIALLY if our D is going to take a step back without Greg.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 21, 2013 12:57:01 GMT -5
Yeah, Brey has some genius game planning. Personally, I am hoping he picks the one he used last year when we beat them by 30 points.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 21, 2013 13:00:07 GMT -5
No, III rarely has them push it. III teams have often dictated the pace, and when our offense was wildly efficient, it was frustrating as hell for the other teams. Just because it isn't the pace you want, doesn't mean Georgetown hasn't dictated the pace before. Our offense is not wildly efficient anymore. Which is why we need easy buckets where we can get them. When have you seen us ever force an uptempo team to slow down? Almost unequivocally we play at their pace and generally the results are pretty good. We played back to back games against teams that are currently in the top 70 in adj. tempo earlier in the season and those were probably the two best games we played all year. Why? Because we chose to play at their pace, i.e.~70 possessions. In contrast, we grinded out games against Marquette, Pitt, and USF at ~55 possessions and what happened? We beat Marquette last year playing at their pace (which last year was top 15 in adj. tempo). Remember the game against Missouri in 2011 where we decided to run with them? This team is way too inefficient to win games when we only get 55 possessions per game. We need more possessions. We need more shots. ESPECIALLY if our D is going to take a step back without Greg. I have no problem speeding it up. I just have an issue with RDF's continuing hyperbole about how stubborn and dumb our coach is. Notre Dame has more talent than us right now. They are a better team. I can see both an argument for speeding it up and for dungeon ball. We're the underdog here.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 21, 2013 13:00:46 GMT -5
When has the press actually helped us? We did it almost all game against Pittsburgh and we got crushed. It does lead to some turnovers, but it seems like we always get beat for easy baskets which counteract any benefit. People always say press, press, press, but I don't see any evidence that it has ever actually helped us win a game.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 21, 2013 13:14:12 GMT -5
ND is better than us, and they are great at home. We're the underdogs here, people.
Would be a great sign to take one of the next two.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 21, 2013 13:27:59 GMT -5
Is there anyone who doesn't think we are significant underdogs in this game and Saturday?
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Jan 21, 2013 14:22:35 GMT -5
toss-up! We Are Georgetown!
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 21, 2013 14:26:18 GMT -5
I like the attitude. Personally, I think we have a good chance tonight.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 21, 2013 14:57:49 GMT -5
If Hopkins starts tonight, I might be joining RDF in thinking our coach is stubborn and/or dumb.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 21, 2013 15:10:53 GMT -5
Is there anyone who doesn't think we are significant underdogs in this game and Saturday? If history is any indication, ah... just win, baby!!!
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 21, 2013 15:47:56 GMT -5
If Hopkins starts tonight, I might be joining RDF in thinking our coach is stubborn and/or dumb. Meh, even though Hopkins has started, it is obvious that he is getting fewer minutes, especially in crunch time. Coach is not dumb.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 21, 2013 16:07:57 GMT -5
Anyone remember Ben Gillery? He started . . . but did not finish.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 21, 2013 16:15:06 GMT -5
If Hopkins starts tonight, I might be joining RDF in thinking our coach is stubborn and/or dumb. First, who cares who starts? If that is how we judge college coaches it is time to take some names out of the Hall of Fame. Coaches rarely change starting line-ups for all types of reasons, it is playing time that matters. My guess, Hopkins starts opposite of Cooley and plays 15 minutes and picks up 4 fouls. And to SF's point, the Hoyas are clearly inferior to ND. There is no shame in this, they returned all 5 starters from last year and we returned 2. We get a puncher's chance in this game, if we win, we should all be elated. The only disappointment for me is if we are not competitive or put forth an effort.
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