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Post by EtomicB on Jul 13, 2013 14:50:41 GMT -5
Adam Finkelstein @finkelsteinnerr 10m Steve Lavin, Steve Donahue, Phil Martelli, Paul Hewitt & assistants from Georgetown & Seton Hall watching Paschal Chukwu #summerchips
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Aug 21, 2013 7:48:15 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 21, 2013 9:35:43 GMT -5
Seems like a decent option if Elbert falls through, particularly since it appears Chukwu won't be making any decisions for awhile. Not a great school list that he's considering, so would think Hoyas could make a nice push if they want to.
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Post by idhoya on Aug 21, 2013 11:49:20 GMT -5
Isn't Providence the leader or something?
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Post by prhoya on Aug 21, 2013 12:25:53 GMT -5
Seems like a decent option if Elbert falls through, particularly since it appears Chukwu won't be making any decisions for awhile. Not a great school list that he's considering, so would think Hoyas could make a nice push if they want to. Coachable... works hard... good shot-blocking... good defense... runs fast... all things to like, but sounds like another C project, not a player from Day 1... TTS.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 21, 2013 16:45:56 GMT -5
Seems like a decent option if Elbert falls through, particularly since it appears Chukwu won't be making any decisions for awhile. Not a great school list that he's considering, so would think Hoyas could make a nice push if they want to. Coachable... works hard... good shot-blocking... good defense... runs fast... all things to like, but sounds like another C project, not a player from Day 1... TTS. He's a consensus 4 star recruit across all sites and if you look at his verbal commits page his composite ranking is 54. If he's a "project" then all the centers in the 2014 class are projects except for Okafor & Elbert.. I'd take this kid right now if he wanted to commit
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Post by prhoya on Aug 21, 2013 18:55:40 GMT -5
I don't like to get too excited with C recruits because nottoo many are ready to compete from day 1. That's why I said "sounds". BTW, where do we check for the final composite rankings for Hayes, Bolden, Hopkins, Cornelius G. and Moses? I'll not ask about Roy because he is the exception to the rule and he was coming here whether JT3 wanted it or not!
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 21, 2013 21:03:35 GMT -5
I don't like to get too excited with C recruits because nottoo many are ready to compete from day 1. That's why I said "sounds". BTW, where do we check for the final composite rankings for Hayes, Bolden, Hopkins, Cornelius G. and Moses? I'll not ask about Roy because he is the exception to the rule and he was coming here whether JT3 wanted it or not! Hayes was/is a project( I still have high hopes for him), Hopkins was a solid 4 star recruit out of Dematha, Moses was highly coveted his Sr year also(I know you remember his epic 40+ page recruiting thread), Bolden should have been encouraged to look at other options. It's ironic that you mention Roy, who wasn't ready to compete day 1 but was given time to develop his game and look how well it turned out.. Folks have to have patience with Bigs
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Post by idhoya on Aug 21, 2013 21:27:41 GMT -5
Hayes, from what I hear, is frustrating because the size, athleticism and some tools are there, but he seems to lack the overall confidence and consistency you'd hope for in his second year. Maybe he'll surprise this year or make the jump next year.....if he's here
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Post by prhoya on Aug 22, 2013 7:43:40 GMT -5
Hayes was/is a project( I still have high hopes for him), Hopkins was a solid 4 star recruit out of Dematha, Moses was highly coveted his Sr year also(I know you remember his epic 40+ page recruiting thread), Bolden should have been encouraged to look at other options. It's ironic that you mention Roy, who wasn't ready to compete day 1 but was given time to develop his game and look how well it turned out.. Folks have to have patience with Bigs Do you know the last composite h.s. ranking for each player? Is that info available? Regarding Roy, it's not ironic because he was coming to GU since he was 13 (I'm sure you're familiar with the stories). So, his ranking had nothing to do with his recruitment. He recruited the program, not the staff had to find him and recruit him. So, that's why it's an exception, not irony. I'm trying to get a sense of what the staff is looking for in a C recruit. Those players are so different. Maybe the composite gives us a better understanding.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Aug 22, 2013 7:48:42 GMT -5
Roy also benefited from early PT because the cupboard was empty. Extremely empty! As a season ticket holder before and thru those years, people don't realize how bad it got.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 22, 2013 7:57:47 GMT -5
Yes, I "hear" you. But thru JT3's term, we've had more than a few years at almost empty, 4's playing out of position at 5 and 3's having to play at 4 because of it. Being BigManU, you would think that the pipeline would be almost full. As Etomic said, patience is a virtue with Cs, but should that be the case at BigManU? Do we need to understand that we'll get one or maybe two good years out of our C recruits? It's a delicate balance between the 2&dones, injuries and the four-year C's, but that is the reality of college bball and might be the difference between going to the Sweet 16 and beyond on a regular basis or going home early.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Aug 22, 2013 9:50:22 GMT -5
Hayes, from what I hear, is frustrating because the size, athleticism and some tools are there, but he seems to lack the overall confidence and consistency you'd hope for in his second year. Maybe he'll surprise this year or make the jump next year.....if he's here I'm willing to bet Hayes puts it together. He reminds me of the big man whose coaching him Othella
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 22, 2013 9:55:37 GMT -5
Yes, I "hear" you. But thru JT3's term, we've had more than a few years at almost empty, 4's playing out of position at 5 and 3's having to play at 4 because of it. Being BigManU, you would think that the pipeline would be full. As Etomic said, patience is a virtue with Cs, but should that be the case at BigManU? Do we need to understand that we'll get one or maybe two good years out of our recruits? It's a delicate balance between the 2&dones, injuries and the four-year C's, but that is the reality of college bball and might be the difference between going to the Sweet 16 and beyond on a regular basis or going home early. I don't think you're getting more than 1-2 good years out of any big man prospect that isn't undersized--we'll be lucky to get another Roy, where you get 2.5 good years. It's really just a matter of what grades they have the 1-2 good years.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 22, 2013 13:19:31 GMT -5
The other problem is that "projects" often do not pan out to the degree we might want. While big men might develop slower than others, it's very uncommon for a player to be bad-mediocre, and suddenly improve as a junior or senior. Hibbert made a huge leap between freshman and sophomore year (where he was basically pretty awful as a freshman, but then very good as a sophomore, and then great as a junior/senior), but that was relatively fast.
It's just rare for somebody not to contribute at all for two full seasons, and then suddenly turn it around. It's not impossible - Henry Sims did it to some degree - but it's still really unlikely. Thus, I don't think having a project on the roster is a problem, but you can't rely on those folks to fill out at Center, because they might not pan out.
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 22, 2013 14:19:00 GMT -5
Hayes, from what I hear, is frustrating because the size, athleticism and some tools are there, but he seems to lack the overall confidence and consistency you'd hope for in his second year. Maybe he'll surprise this year or make the jump next year.....if he's here You're looking for confidence and consistency in a sophomore? Good luck with that.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 22, 2013 14:37:53 GMT -5
I don't think you're getting more than 1-2 good years out of any big man prospect that isn't undersized--we'll be lucky to get another Roy, where you get 2.5 good years. It's really just a matter of what grades they have the 1-2 good years. For me, it's enough if they're good on defense and rebounding (and not foul prone). The staff will take care of the offense. That player would stay four years to develop game. Coming from GU, that player could be a first-rounder. I think BigManU should be in a position to grab one of the best bigs each year. Create that pipeline: one leaves, the other is ready to step up; all the while the projects are developing. It needs to be branding. We need the bigs kids to want to be recruited by GU.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 22, 2013 15:11:25 GMT -5
Hayes, from what I hear, is frustrating because the size, athleticism and some tools are there, but he seems to lack the overall confidence and consistency you'd hope for in his second year. Maybe he'll surprise this year or make the jump next year.....if he's here You're looking for confidence and consistency in a sophomore? Good luck with that. Otto Porter says hi!
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Post by TC on Aug 22, 2013 15:55:05 GMT -5
Aside from all the nutty handwaving about projects :
Chukwu is ranked. ESPN 100 has him #58, and they have him as the fifth best center in the class. He is a legit 7' PLUS. Hayes was not ranked. He was a last minute signing. He is not a legit 7' tall.
Chukwu has soft touch, athleticism, and decent footwork. Not sure Hayes has any of those things.
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Post by sleepy on Aug 22, 2013 17:06:54 GMT -5
Despite all the recent talk about Chukwu it will be very hard to pull him ut of New England. Prov and Uconn seem to be leading.
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