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Post by profquigley on Jan 7, 2013 9:42:50 GMT -5
I love Lubick. I love his intensity, his passing, and his on court sense. BUT, his lack of offense is killing us. He has to look to score more. If he can't then we are basically playing 4 against 5 on offense and this will be a long season.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 7, 2013 9:49:09 GMT -5
Here is what I would like to see JT3 to do, even though he won't. If Hopkins takes an ill-advised shot, he is immediately pulled at the next dead ball. If Lubick passes up a good shot, he is pulled immediately at the next dead ball. In the meantime, Moses gets some playing time until the two of them figure out their role and hopefully demonstrates his ability to play physical defense and rebound. It has been 2 months and 12 games, III has to speed up the learning curve by using some negative reinforcement.
If we cut the Rah-Rah bs, this looks like a rebuilding year for the Hoyas but the goal should still be to find a way into the NCAAs. Good teams all around like UK and UNC are rebuilding. The Hoyas are not immune, we lost a ton of points, ability and leadership from last year. I am going to be more patient in my point of view, but I would like to see JT3 use some different motivational tactics to get these guys more effective on offense. The offense right now is embarassingly bad.
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Post by Filo on Jan 7, 2013 10:01:26 GMT -5
I try not to post much on these threads after losses, since the negativity almost makes my head explode. Definitely admit that this team's inability to shoot and rebound is extremely frustrating. However, they play hard and they are clearly not one of those frustratingly "soft" teams that some have complained about in the past.
Hope they can figure it out -- the key to me seems to be that Whit just lost his shot. If he can hit some threes, it changes the whole complexion of the offense. I have to ask, though, why is that Domingo left early to come here?
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 7, 2013 10:28:55 GMT -5
The only thing this game proved is that we aren't going to be BE regular season champions. Surprise!
Seriously, we covered and we were closer to a victory in Milwaukee than we've been since 2008.
Besides, maybe its just me, but unless there's some real doubt about making the NCAA tournament or we're talking about a home game, there just isn't much to get worked up about losing a road game to an NCAA tourney-caliber team (they won't be in the NIT wisconsinhoya). Until we get our act together in March anyway, what we do in January really makes very little difference. Until we stop the string of tournament failures, Hoyas seasons will be defined by what happens in the NCAAs. Everything up until then is basically gravy.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 7, 2013 11:26:52 GMT -5
While there are a lot of people focusing on our bad offense (with good reason), we need to remember that we lost this game because we shot 58.3% (7-12) from the free throw line, with Hopkins (who has taken the most FTs all season) missing all three that he took. Given that our offense has been stagnant at times and we will likely have a bunch of close games because of our good defense, it makes free throw shooting all the more important.
Last year, the team shot 69.8% from the line. I think it's completely fair to aim for a team average of 75%. If we had shot 75% against Marquette, we would have won the game (of course, the game may have transpired differently, but the point is still there) and the discussion here would be significantly different.
If we have a lot more close games, we cannot afford to shoot 58.3% from the line. Fixing the offense may be a difficult task, but improving free throw shooting should be the easy part. These guys are better than 58.3%.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 7, 2013 12:11:01 GMT -5
While there are a lot of people focusing on our bad offense (with good reason), we need to remember that we lost this game because we shot 58.3% (7-12) from the free throw line, with Hopkins (who has taken the most FTs all season) missing all three that he took. Given that our offense has been stagnant at times and we will likely have a bunch of close games because of our good defense, it makes free throw shooting all the more important. Last year, the team shot 69.8% from the line. I think it's completely fair to aim for a team average of 75%. If we had shot 75% against Marquette, we would have won the game (of course, the game may have transpired differently, but the point is still there) and the discussion here would be significantly different. If we have a lot more close games, we cannot afford to shoot 58.3% from the line. Fixing the offense may be a difficult task, but improving free throw shooting should be the easy part. These guys are better than 58.3%. Hopkins was bad. The rest of the team shot 77.7%. When you only shoot 12 free throws and one player is 0-3, it's pretty difficult to bring up the percentage (9-9 would have brought us to your 75% goal). That's not to say that our free throw shooting isn't a problem - just that using this particular game as an illustration doesn't work really well. As for me, I just wish that Whitt had made one more free throw, and then I would have taken my chances with the overtime. Particularly liked that "grease fire" description of the offense. Pretty much unwatchable.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 7, 2013 12:31:34 GMT -5
The team's free throw percentage is 64.8%, which puts us ranked 275th in the nation. That's not acceptable for a team with the talented players we have today.
While Georgetown has never been close to the top of free throw shooting, this year is by far our worst year under John Thompson III, except for the 2008 team (which had enough other talent to compensate). Our rank on FT shooting (on Ken Pom) since 2005 has been: 114 (70.4%), 127 (70.6%), 115 (71.0%), 286 (65.2%), 87 (71.5%), 104 (71.1%), 52 (73.4%), 153 (69.8%), 275 (64.8%).
My original suggestion of aiming for 75% might be a little unrealistic, but I think this team can shoot 70%. This is not the solution to the team's offensive problems, but is a minor thing that should be easy to fix with some practice.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 7, 2013 13:33:16 GMT -5
The team's free throw percentage is 64.8%, which puts us ranked 275th in the nation. That's not acceptable for a team with the talented players we have today. While Georgetown has never been close to the top of free throw shooting, this year is by far our worst year under John Thompson III, except for the 2008 team (which had enough other talent to compensate). Our rank on FT shooting (on Ken Pom) since 2005 has been: 114 (70.4%), 127 (70.6%), 115 (71.0%), 286 (65.2%), 87 (71.5%), 104 (71.1%), 52 (73.4%), 153 (69.8%), 275 (64.8%). My original suggestion of aiming for 75% might be a little unrealistic, but I think this team can shoot 70%. This is not the solution to the team's offensive problems, but is a minor thing that should be easy to fix with some practice. This just goes along with the idea this team cannot shoot the ball. I have never been so pessimistic about a Hoya team, and usually I am a cheerleader and keeping my head on straight. I was willing to overlook the UTenn game as an outlier, but there is now too much evidence this team cannot score. If we couple that with poor FT shooting and a slow pace; the Hoyas margin of error is almost none. That is not where anyone wants to be. I am fine trading some defense for better offense right now, because I think you need both to be successful. I admit, if we beat Pitt, regardless of the score, I will calm down, but I have not seen such a helpless Hoyas team on one side of the court in the III era.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 7, 2013 18:43:47 GMT -5
The team's free throw percentage is 64.8%, which puts us ranked 275th in the nation. That's not acceptable for a team with the talented players we have today. While Georgetown has never been close to the top of free throw shooting, this year is by far our worst year under John Thompson III, except for the 2008 team (which had enough other talent to compensate). Our rank on FT shooting (on Ken Pom) since 2005 has been: 114 (70.4%), 127 (70.6%), 115 (71.0%), 286 (65.2%), 87 (71.5%), 104 (71.1%), 52 (73.4%), 153 (69.8%), 275 (64.8%). My original suggestion of aiming for 75% might be a little unrealistic, but I think this team can shoot 70%. This is not the solution to the team's offensive problems, but is a minor thing that should be easy to fix with some practice. This just goes along with the idea this team cannot shoot the ball. I have never been so pessimistic about a Hoya team, and usually I am a cheerleader and keeping my head on straight. I was willing to overlook the UTenn game as an outlier, but there is now too much evidence this team cannot score. If we couple that with poor FT shooting and a slow pace; the Hoyas margin of error is almost none. That is not where anyone wants to be. I am fine trading some defense for better offense right now, because I think you need both to be successful. I admit, if we beat Pitt, regardless of the score, I will calm down, but I have not seen such a helpless Hoyas team on one side of the court in the III era. If you think you hate this season, just wait until....
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Post by bowhoya on Jan 7, 2013 21:10:33 GMT -5
Who had Whitt heading to the NBA early? Otto also needs to stay in school until he improves.
We need to stop getting caught up in the trap of overrating our players until they actually accomplish something.
Green and Hibbert both had the measurables, plus they won big (Final-4)!
Freeman, Wright and Hollis did not win big.
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Post by mapei on Jan 7, 2013 23:16:04 GMT -5
I think people are being a bit unfair to Nate. He's definitely not a big scorer, but in our system it isn't that bad for your #5 scorer to average 6.8 ppg. The #5 guy at undefeated Michigan averages 7.2. The #5 guy at Arizona averages 8.2. The #5 guy at Louisville averages 8.3.
So yes, he's still low by comparison, but our top two guys are even farther behind their counterparts on these top-tier teams. Otto and Greg are at 13.2 and 12.6, respectively. Meanwhile, the lowest average that any #1 scorer has for a top-5 team is 14.1 (Lyons at Arizona). At the other top-5 schools the top scorer has 18.4, 18.3, 20.0, and 16.6 ppg. The averages for the second-highest scorers are 16.6, 16.4, 13.6, 13.3, and 11.9.
The truth is that no one on our team scores very much.
Meanwhile, Nate contributes to our offense by being the team's assist leader. (That may be by default, since no one on the team has a very high assist average, but it's still the fact.)
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 8, 2013 7:43:57 GMT -5
I'm a Nate fan, but he must reduce the number of passes that have no chance. His TO rate is too high.
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Post by mapei on Jan 8, 2013 8:21:29 GMT -5
He's trending the right way on turnovers. A few games into the season, he was leading the team in that dubious category. Now he's third behind Mikael and Greg.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 8, 2013 8:46:52 GMT -5
His TO rate is the highest on the team. Highest in the last 10, third highest in the last 5, behind Hop and Jabril. But you are correct, it is decreasing, and that's a good thing.
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