DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 2, 2012 14:47:07 GMT -5
Serious query, how good was GU in hoop before JT Jr became their coach? Did they make many NCAA's, NIT's etc before 1970? A friend of mine's older brother at HC (something Laska) supposedly played/guarded Maravich when GU played LSU in the NIT in the 1960's somewhere. True, if bizarre, statistic: from the 1947-48 through 1971-72 seasons, there were 32 Catholic colleges playing major college basketball. Georgetown's 296 wins over these 25 seasons ranked 32nd; its winning percentage (.494) was 31st. The only team with a lower percentage was Loyola-New Orleans (.472), which not only dropped out of Division I after the 1971-72 season, they dropped the athletic department. The other sports should care less about playing in a competitive environment than continuing to exist at all. It's not a question of downgrading to lesser leagues, it's about being cut altogether. That's not how Georgetown works. Who on this board even remembers the last men's sport to be cut? (Hint: they once practiced in Healy basement.)
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 2, 2012 15:19:16 GMT -5
was it MY sport BOXING perhaps but they practiced in Mcdough arena or gym as they called it in the sixites. OR maybe fencing . or in mcneir was it riflery. not sure.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 2, 2012 15:19:55 GMT -5
i got it beer pong at the PUB maybe ?? reaching far for this one. go hoyas.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 2, 2012 15:22:20 GMT -5
pss mike laska DID guard pistol pete in nyc in the nit and did hold him to his lowest point total ever but we did lose and mike did not tell about the story in the ny daily news PETE was up till like dawn the nite before imbibing at the Plaza bar. yup true story i thinks but laska DID do that. yup go hoyas ;D ;D
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Post by DuddingtonHoya on Dec 2, 2012 15:32:53 GMT -5
We need $$ to run the Athletic Department in general, and to pay for top-tier basketball specifically. It seems to me that in the medium-to-long term we run a real risk of losing $$ even if we stick it out with what's left of the dregs of the Big East/C-USA. The basketball games will be crap, which means that there will be less gate revenue (and merchandising).
+1 for declining local area interest; forget about keeping up with Maryland, we'll be just another George Mason competing for attention on the evening news.
Gate + merchandising will be critical if our next TV deal doesn't give us a major upgrade in TV money.
That said, some neutral site games in MSG/Brooklyn like this year could really generate some interest and fun match-ups (and TV interest). There are tons of Hoyas alums/fans in the NYC area, maybe more than in DC.
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Post by reformation on Dec 2, 2012 20:31:22 GMT -5
We shld play as few Big east games as possible and see if we can get some more marquis non conf matchups, ala the home and home we just inked with Kansas. We should have a bigger say in what goes on in the BE now.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 2, 2012 23:17:20 GMT -5
oh....right...i forgot we could pick and choose to play conference games. LOL everyone's gotta wait and see how this plays out...this ain't gona be over soon and really nothing to speculate about until it does. Biggest thing to wait for is how the UMD court case goes. THEN stuff get's interesting
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Post by reformation on Dec 2, 2012 23:45:49 GMT -5
oh....right...i forgot we could pick and choose to play conference games. LOL everyone's gotta wait and see how this plays out...this ain't gona be over soon and really nothing to speculate about until it does. Biggest thing to wait for is how the UMD court case goes. THEN stuff get's interesting No rule says we have to play every team every year
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 4, 2012 17:14:01 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 4, 2012 17:19:19 GMT -5
was it MY sport BOXING perhaps but they practiced in Mcdough arena or gym as they called it in the sixites. OR maybe fencing . or in mcneir was it riflery. not sure. lic, you were a boxer? That might explain a few things. ;D
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 4, 2012 18:03:02 GMT -5
pss mike laska DID guard pistol pete in nyc in the nit and did hold him to his lowest point total ever but we did lose and mike did not tell about the story in the ny daily news PETE was up till like dawn the nite before imbibing at the Plaza bar. yup true story i thinks but laska DID do that. yup go hoyas ;D ;D I think that was the last Hoya game that I saw at MSG. Mike Laska did bottle up Pistrol Pete, but PP did make a fantastic 3/4 court bounce pass assist for a basket. Great game except for the outcome.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Dec 4, 2012 18:12:58 GMT -5
Dont think the MSG thing really plays a part in it as much as this article's source claims. You could have it at Barclays with the same effect. The TV revenue and the loss of AQ status for the NCAA tournament are the biggest reasons this isnt happening, not some sentimental feelings about a basketball arena.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 4, 2012 18:16:07 GMT -5
Exactly
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Post by pash on Dec 4, 2012 18:33:49 GMT -5
I wonder what the voting threshold for kicking out members is. Seems like it would probably be about the same two-thirds majority as it takes to dissolve the conference—it wouldn't make much sense for it to be higher, anyway.
Point is, if it comes to that, there's probably some mechanism the basketball schools could use to kick everybody else out (or just the joiners) and keep the Big East name, etc.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 4, 2012 18:43:59 GMT -5
Point is, if it comes to that, there's probably some mechanism the basketball schools could use to kick everybody else out (or just the joiners) and keep the Big East name, etc. The name is tainted, if only 4-6 members remained and a new 12+ conference was formed, a new name should come with. Or at least that is how I feel, maybe TV would still see value in the BE name.
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Post by pash on Dec 4, 2012 18:49:06 GMT -5
Maybe. The focus of the article was on what the basketball schools would lose by dissolving the conference—the tournament at MSG, particularly.
I just wanted to point out that, while the basketball schools are seven of ten members with voting rights, there is probably some way for them to turn the Big East into a basketball-only conference rather than scrapping it and forming a new one. If they decide to.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 4, 2012 23:05:38 GMT -5
We must build the IAC and we must protect gu Basketball thats the story HOW is the hard part.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 4, 2012 23:19:04 GMT -5
I just wanted to point out that, while the basketball schools are seven of ten members with voting rights, there is probably some way for them to turn the Big East into a basketball-only conference rather than scrapping it and forming a new one. If they decide to. The way to do this would be for the Big East to stop sponsoring football. That would likely force out all the football schools because they would need somewhere to place their football teams and they would likely take all the other sports along. As long as the football schools add something in basketball (Cincinnati and Connecticut), I don't think this would be a smart move. The only way I see this happening is if so many football schools pull out that it does not make sense for the conference to keep adding more to have enough for a conference.
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hoyaback
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Post by hoyaback on Dec 4, 2012 23:29:19 GMT -5
While I disagreed with DFW on the morals of us leaving the conference, I don't see uninviting them as a real option, both morally or legally. The big east sent out invites to the football schools, who have since paid up to leave their conferences. To uninvite them would at the least bring lawsuits regarding the damages the Big East owes them for the reasonable reliance the invited schools took based on the Big East invite. Plus we'd look like real low lifes. I see this as being an even worse outcome than if we just sucked it up within the big east.
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Post by hoyaback on Dec 4, 2012 23:34:11 GMT -5
Still see a straightforward solution being to load up the big east with basketball only invites to the top ranked bball programs out there - gonzaga, butler, xavier, byu, sdsu, whoever else. Sequester the especially bad bball programs - tulane, depaul?, SMU, Houston and whoever else in their own Purgatory Division. Have all the good teams play in the For Reals BBall division. The For Reals division would be better than any other conference outside of the ACC and sometimes the Big Ten. Live happily ever after.
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