SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 29, 2012 23:59:34 GMT -5
This is the thing, right? On the face of it, a national basketball conference for college seems silly but if any college sport could do it, itd be basketball. Could we pull a two division 16 team national conference? East Georgetown Providence SH St. Johns VCU Butler Xavier Depaul West Gonzaga St. Marys BYU St. Louis Marquette UNLV UCSD Creighton UCSD/UNLV might be tough gets - we could always add one of any number of competitive schools to fill the void and rejuggle, but something along these lines would give us a truly national conference of bball powerhouses, and keep us in the conversation as a top 3 bball conference. Lots of great looking matchups. Heck, we could go to 10/10 if we wanted, in an East/West configuration. Of course this does nothing to address how other sports will be looked after. UCSD is a DII school, so yes. That would be a tough get. I assume you mean USD? USD is a small Catholic school who have had a handful of decent seasons, but have been dreadful of late. They also play in a gym that seats only about 4,500. SDSU is the big get in the San Diego market, although they play DI football. That being said, while SDSU bball has become a very hot ticket (the whole season was sold out before the season started in the 12k on campus Viejas Arena), SDSU football still draws only about 15-20k a game at Qualcomm Stadium, which seats about 70k. I really can't figure out why the Big East wants SDSU, or why SDSU wants anything to do with whatever is left of the Big East. I honestly don't get the national conference thing. I like the idea of whatever conference the Hoyas end up in having an agreement like the Big10-ACC or BE-SEC challenge, perhaps with the MW or the Pac12 or even the WCC (although past the Zags, St. Mary's and BYU, do you really look forward to a challenge game at Verizon against Pepperdine or Portland?). But during the regular season that just makes way too much travel. My dream scenario is that FSU, Clemson and GTech ditch the ACC, and the ACC realizes that it is a basketball first conference and invites Gtown and Nova. As that really is wishful thinking, I really do think being in a conference with ECU, Tulane, SMU, etc. is absolutely worthless for Gtown, and the phantom TV contract we would get from that would be just slightly larger than the Patriot League's TV deal. So if GTown can convince a few basketball first schools with D1 programs to pop their football teams in the MAC or Sun Belt or something, we could have the BE's remaining bball schools, plus Memphis, Temple, perhaps Cinci and UConn, and add Butler, Xavier, VCU...that ends up being a very high profile conference that will put 5+ teams in the tournament every year, has high national profile, and could potentially garner a decent basketball tv contract. Its not like the non-football schools see all that much football tv revenue, so might as well focus on what we do best, and bring in Tagliabue to sell the hell out of this thing to the networks.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Nov 30, 2012 0:09:02 GMT -5
HSB said it best
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 30, 2012 0:23:35 GMT -5
If you believe the numbers...
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Nov 30, 2012 0:55:54 GMT -5
If you believe the numbers... You dont have to believe them, but you could at lease provide some evidence. C-USA gets over $1mil a year from Fox and CBS, do you think the Big East gets less than that when it is the best of the CUSA plus the remaining BE? Why do you think that the A-10 plus Gtown and SJU and Nova would increase that deal by 300% or more?
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 30, 2012 1:05:33 GMT -5
Jgalt, lets get the numbers straight. The 1 million figure you cite is for schools playing football. Considering that Gtown gets about 1/2 of the money that the football members of the BE are currently making, that would adjust to 500k for a basketball member. Which is only slightly more than what believe you quoted is what A10 members make. So, if you made a much better and more nationally visible basketball only conference, why couldn't it make more than what we would get from a being a leech onto a crappy mid major conference that happens to have football?
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hoyaback
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Post by hoyaback on Nov 30, 2012 1:49:09 GMT -5
Sorry SDHOYA, i meant SDSU, not UCSD. i dont know what the Aztecs have going in terms of their arrangements but if we could snag their BBall team, thatd be a big get for any future national bball conference. If we can come up with a suitably attractive bball league, featuring say Gonzaga, St. Marys, UNLV, BYU etc. I could see SDSU jumping in. Also I agree with your dream scenario - I would love the ACC to stop trying to keep up with the big boys and just sit back and maximize revenue as a bball centric conference, of course involving Gtown. This is all assuming that doesnt happen. From my viewpoint, the ACC is the clear #1 bball conference going forward. I would love us to be a part of it, but am pretty sure we wont be.
As to travel for a national conference - if we have a 8/8 or 10/10 conference divided into East and West, theres actually less travel overall per season than what some teams are facing now. Keep in mind right now Marquette still plays USF. St. John's is about to start play with Tulane/Houston/SMU. There are some serious distances in the Big East, and i dont see how a two division conference with say 3? 4? cross division games per year per school makes a big difference.
Again i dont pretend to know how non-bball sports would cope in such a structure. Its easy to say "go find another league to absorb your sports" but i have no idea how that would work. Thats my big caveat to this arrangement. But i dont see a non ACC, Gtown involved bball league that brings in more money than this kind of national conference, and if maximizing bball money/attention is the goal, then i am still searching for a better option.
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Post by hoyaback on Nov 30, 2012 1:58:44 GMT -5
Also a pet peeve i have with this board's take on the conversation. We all acknowledge that football is the money maker. and sticking with the Big East may make sense because football will bring in the cash, and the football schools will be paying us, the bball schools, a cut because, well, gosh darn it, we hold the keys. If bball isn't bringing in the dough commensurate with what we would be receiving, then why are we getting the dough?
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Post by pash on Nov 30, 2012 2:18:20 GMT -5
We all acknowledge that football is the money maker. and sticking with the Big East may make sense because football will bring in the cash, and the football schools will be paying us, the bball schools, a cut because, well, gosh darn it, we hold the keys. If bball isn't bringing in the dough commensurate with what we would be receiving, then why are we getting the dough? Yeah, this is one of the many things about this discussion that makes very little sense. ...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 30, 2012 8:37:44 GMT -5
The 1.5 million number is the amount BE basketball teams make. Football teams make more than that.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 30, 2012 9:28:06 GMT -5
Again i am worried to quote COACH he said need football cause that brings in the money AND THE TV WITH IT and without that presence it will be very very tough to compete for recruits. Thats what he said. So i am worried. We lost alot if not most of our best bball teams in this mess . We did add maybe good Memphis and Temple. and the football gets weaker and weaker and NO ESPN deal talked about yet. Worried here but only can play BEAT TENN thats what we CAN control and need to do . ;D
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Post by scribblinghoya on Nov 30, 2012 9:38:29 GMT -5
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Post by nychoya3 on Nov 30, 2012 9:52:42 GMT -5
Evan is trying to put the most positive gloss on it. I don't really buy into his optimism, but it's a well written column.
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Post by Filo on Nov 30, 2012 10:06:47 GMT -5
For those proposing the basketball league approach, do you think that will work for other sports like track, socccer, lax? Curious as to the thoughts on that.
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Post by scribblinghoya on Nov 30, 2012 10:16:54 GMT -5
For those proposing the basketball league approach, do you think that will work for other sports like track, socccer, lax? Curious as to the thoughts on that. Georgetown certainly benefits from playing Syracuse in lax. But already, the most competitive Big East teams in the non-revenue sports are often Marquette and Villanova. Losing Louisville is a blow, however, especially in women's sports.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 2, 2012 0:53:10 GMT -5
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 2, 2012 1:50:14 GMT -5
�Georgetown was good before the Big East, and we�ll be good if there�s no Big East!� Thompson declared during a brief interview following Friday night�s game between the Hoyas, now led by his son, and Tennessee. �We hope there is a Big East; we certainly do hope. But we�re not sitting here crying and worrying and wondering whether this is going to be a good program because of the Big East.� The good news is, if you're playing a drinking game involving JTIII using his canned soundbites in interviews, you were already too wasted (or dead) to remember the Tennessee game.
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Post by indianhoop on Dec 2, 2012 10:52:30 GMT -5
Serious query, how good was GU in hoop before JT Jr became their coach? Did they make many NCAA's, NIT's etc before 1970? A friend of mine's older brother at HC (something Laska) supposedly played/guarded Maravich when GU played LSU in the NIT in the 1960's somewhere. ETA: Nice site: www.hoyabasketball.com/players/alltime-l.htmSort of answered my own question...GU hoop really just became good during JT Jr's era didn't it? I thought the Hoyas had more success in the 50's and 60's.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Dec 2, 2012 14:27:43 GMT -5
"Instead, University President John J. DeGioia, Athletic Director Lee Reed and the rest of the administration must double down on the sport most important to the Hilltop’s identity — basketball — while ensuring that other sports, such as lacrosse and soccer, continue to play in a competitive environment." Maybe we should consider single-downing on basketball at the very least. How much of the difficulty in securing donations to the IAC is a result of no one knowing whether Georgetown will even field a "real" basketball team in 5 years? see also, the Multi-Sport Facility. I wonder whether acknowledging that if sufficient private donors aren't found, then the University will shell out the money out of its own hide, might actually be more productive. As it is now, I get the impression that Georgetown is distinctly unwilling to put any skin in the game. The other sports should care less about playing in a competitive environment than continuing to exist at all. It's not a question of downgrading to lesser leagues, it's about being cut altogether.
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Post by Admin on Dec 2, 2012 14:37:45 GMT -5
This thread is beginning to overlap the other, so from this point on, this thread is for discussion on how it would/would not affect Georgetown. The talk about various scenarios and/or teams in general should go the conference-wide realignment thread. Thanks.
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Post by jgalt on Dec 2, 2012 14:38:03 GMT -5
I think low donations to the IAC are more a result of the MSF never being completed than the conference stuff. But are IAC donations lower than expected at this point? What are the current numbers? Also, if, next week its announced Mourning is donating $10mil for naming rights we probably wont be talking about low donations.
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