boxout05
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Post by boxout05 on Dec 13, 2012 15:05:17 GMT -5
AAs for travel - Georgetown is currently in a league that would require going to Texas and New Orleans, so even adding a Gonzaga or a St. Mary's - you are talking an extra 75 minutes on a plane once a year if it comes to it. But how many hours does it add to Zaga or St. Mary's trips? The Catholic7 are fine but it may not work from the WCC end.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Dec 13, 2012 15:05:48 GMT -5
Well it looks like the Hoyas and the Catholic 7 have gone over the cliff before Congress.
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Post by fsohoya on Dec 13, 2012 15:07:29 GMT -5
10-12 seems to me to be the right range, but that might depend on mix of schools you could get. I do, though, think smaller is better, and this league will need to create/rediscover serious rivalries pretty early on to get attention.
If Zags and St. Mary's are willing to join the travel costs would be much worse for them than anyone else. And I think they'd add a lot to the hoops side. I'd be happy to have them.
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Post by jgalt on Dec 13, 2012 15:07:57 GMT -5
10 team league, add X Butler and VCU, everyone plays home and home.
GU, Marquette, X, Butler, VCU, Nova. Thats 6 NCAA teams (though realistically only 5 could make it because of conference losses), and plenty of NCAA shares to go around.
Or go to 12 adding Dayton or SLU or who ever. Do home and homes.
No 14 teams, no divisions, no rotating home and homes.
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Post by fsohoya on Dec 13, 2012 15:08:59 GMT -5
I'm so excited to not have to worry about football anymore. I really believe this is a good thing. By forming a conference of basketball-centric schools, we remove uncertainty, form new rivalries, and build a new history and tradition. If we can get programs like Butler and Xavier on board, tenacious programs that compete year in and year out, then this really does have the potential to be a special product. I'm nervous, but also share a lot of this optimism and, frankly, sense of relief.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Dec 13, 2012 15:09:42 GMT -5
I say do 10, 12 tops. Then when the fallout from football movement ends we can see who is left and add them. In the hopes of creating an even stronger conference. Duke?? )
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Dec 13, 2012 15:11:13 GMT -5
AAs for travel - Georgetown is currently in a league that would require going to Texas and New Orleans, so even adding a Gonzaga or a St. Mary's - you are talking an extra 75 minutes on a plane once a year if it comes to it. But how many hours does it add to Zaga or St. Mary's trips? The Catholic7 are fine but it may not work from the WCC end. Yeah but dont these teams already travel far to get to games anyway? Washington state to San Diego is quite the trip. I dont think it makes sense to add these teams, but not because of travel.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 13, 2012 15:11:43 GMT -5
I say do 10, 12 tops. Then when the fallout from football movement ends we can see who is left and add them. In the hopes of creating an even stronger conference. Duke?? ) Agree. Leave room to poach quality basketball schools as the rest of the conference landscape settles
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boxout05
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Post by boxout05 on Dec 13, 2012 15:18:53 GMT -5
But how many hours does it add to Zaga or St. Mary's trips? The Catholic7 are fine but it may not work from the WCC end. Yeah but dont these teams already travel far to get to games anyway? Washington state to San Diego is quite the trip. I dont think it makes sense to add these teams, but not because of travel. That was the logic I used for the Midwest schoils, but I thought the jump in travel from intra-West Coast flight to cross country flight was a lot worse.
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Dec 13, 2012 15:20:21 GMT -5
Im told Creighton is at the top of the invite list, alongside Butler, Xavier and St. Louis. With VCU and Dayton close behind. This is obviously a very fluid situation. Still so many options on the table. Lawyers already hammering through docs to determine if its worthwhile to fight to keep branding of Big East name. Will Memphis/Temple be open to joining in all non-FB sports (Cinci and Uconn seem resigned to staying with also rans in hopes of jumping ship soon)? Is a national conference sustainable? Which supposedly is what MSG agents are pushing for. Either way, the MSG contract will be voided. MSG is "most open" to hosting the tournament of a new national conference's tournament.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 13, 2012 15:22:52 GMT -5
Either way, the MSG contract will be voided. MSG is "most open" to hosting the tournament of a new national conference's tournament. Ugh. I'm not surprised but that's devastating to hear.
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boxout05
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Post by boxout05 on Dec 13, 2012 15:23:38 GMT -5
Good info, thanks NBITYYR.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Dec 13, 2012 15:24:57 GMT -5
Im told Creighton is at the top of the invite list, alongside Butler, Xavier and St. Louis. With VCU and Dayton close behind. This is obviously a very fluid situation. Still so many options on the table. Lawyers already hammering through docs to determine if its worthwhile to fight to keep branding of Big East name. Will Memphis/Temple be open to joining in all non-FB sports (Cinci and Uconn seem resigned to staying with also rans in hopes of jumping ship soon)? Is a national conference sustainable? Which supposedly is what MSG agents are pushing for. Either way, the MSG contract will be voided. MSG is "most open" to hosting the tournament of a new national conference's tournament. That's good right?
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Post by nathanhm on Dec 13, 2012 15:26:27 GMT -5
Im told Creighton is at the top of the invite list, alongside Butler, Xavier and St. Louis. With VCU and Dayton close behind. This is obviously a very fluid situation. Still so many options on the table. Lawyers already hammering through docs to determine if its worthwhile to fight to keep branding of Big East name. Will Memphis/Temple be open to joining in all non-FB sports (Cinci and Uconn seem resigned to staying with also rans in hopes of jumping ship soon)? Is a national conference sustainable? Which supposedly is what MSG agents are pushing for. Either way, the MSG contract will be voided. MSG is "most open" to hosting the tournament of a new national conference's tournament. Getting any of the 4 of UConn, Cinci, Temple, and Memphis would be huge. A national conference sounds great on paper but who outside of Gonzaga and Saint Mary's do we want on the west? The other western schools with basketball are similar to Temple & Memphis, they have D-1A football (I'm thinking New Mexico, UNLV, SDSU).
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Dec 13, 2012 15:26:55 GMT -5
To clarify from earlier. The 7 told Aresco via conference call earlier today that they were officially leaving. The question that remains is if they do it via withdrawal or vote to dissolve conference.
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Post by adlai on Dec 13, 2012 15:27:31 GMT -5
As for travel - Georgetown is currently in a league that would require going to Texas and New Orleans, so even adding a Gonzaga or a St. Mary's - you are talking an extra 75 minutes on a plane once a year if it comes to it. Perhaps Map of the Modern World should have spent more time on the US. A flight to San Francisco from DC is nearly twice as long as one to Houston, which is not 75 minutes.
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Post by Dhall on Dec 13, 2012 15:28:23 GMT -5
The Big East name, MSG tourney guarantee and automatic bid guarantee are red herrings and chips to be traded.
There is no value to the name - how many of you own a "Big East" hat or shirt? Companies, etc. change names all the time - part of our culture.
MSG: with a smaller conference, we are talking about a 3 or 4 day tourney most likely. Not a big deal to work that around an NBA/NHL schedule and MSG would be happy to have us if it is quality basketball that will sell tickets. If not, Barclays Center, Verizon Center, or anywhere in between provides the same service. Guess what - most people watch these games on television.
Automatic Bid: We have received one in the last 20+ years. If you play a quality schedule and perform, you don't rely on the automatic bid.
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Dec 13, 2012 15:30:04 GMT -5
The key to a National Conference would be to show the UNLV and SDSU type schools that it would be more financially beneficial to their universities by playing football in MWC (or similar ilk) and all other sports in new conference. Two TV deals to pull from that would exceed what they could get elsewhere.
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Dec 13, 2012 15:32:27 GMT -5
The Big East name, MSG tourney guarantee and automatic bid guarantee are red herrings and chips to be traded. There is no value to the name - how many of you own a "Big East" hat or shirt? Companies, etc. change names all the time - part of our culture. MSG: with a smaller conference, we are talking about a 3 or 4 day tourney most likely. Not a big deal to work that around an NBA/NHL schedule and MSG would be happy to have us if it is quality basketball that will sell tickets. If not, Barclays Center, Verizon Center, or anywhere in between provides the same service. Guess what - most people watch these games on television. Automatic Bid: We have received one in the last 20+ years. If you play a quality schedule and perform, you don't rely on the automatic bid. The auto bid is not at issue. With 7 schools tied together, the auto bid remains either way.
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Post by nathanhm on Dec 13, 2012 15:36:03 GMT -5
The Big East name, MSG tourney guarantee and automatic bid guarantee are red herrings and chips to be traded. There is no value to the name - how many of you own a "Big East" hat or shirt? Companies, etc. change names all the time - part of our culture. MSG: with a smaller conference, we are talking about a 3 or 4 day tourney most likely. Not a big deal to work that around an NBA/NHL schedule and MSG would be happy to have us if it is quality basketball that will sell tickets. If not, Barclays Center, Verizon Center, or anywhere in between provides the same service. Guess what - most people watch these games on television. Automatic Bid: We have received one in the last 20+ years. If you play a quality schedule and perform, you don't rely on the automatic bid. Autobid won't be a problem if its a league of quality. Don't see how we don't end up with the Big East name. I think if we land a solid TV deal and keep the name, no way MSG doesn't want us back.
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