|
Post by fsohoya on Dec 13, 2012 14:22:57 GMT -5
Basically, we could have no more than a few football schools - who played football elsewhere - so the membership was always overwhelmingly hoops-only. I could see it, but wouldn't count on Memphis, UMass, Temple, or other football schools staying too long. Where on earth is Memphis going with a football team on par with Gtown's? Nowhere. That is a basketball school. Memphis is in no way the same thing as Louisville or Rutgers or Uconn. I doubt we'd beat Memphis many times in football, and the point is if you are going to be FBS you probably have some kind of FBS-level ambitions. Maybe not rational, but ambitions nonetheless.
|
|
gunny
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 560
|
Post by gunny on Dec 13, 2012 14:22:59 GMT -5
I do not like the thought of going to the Pacific Time zone. I would not want to be one of the teams in the west with Gonzaga. Cincinnati (Xavier) is not close to Spokane (Gonzaga). Nice thought in concept, but I do not like it. I say go after Temple and Memphis first.
|
|
thebin
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,849
|
Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 14:23:08 GMT -5
Doesn't it also depend if WE want to travel to Gonzaga and St. Mary's? Not just basketball...volleyball, golf, soccer, etc?
|
|
thebin
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,849
|
Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 14:25:49 GMT -5
Where on earth is Memphis going with a football team on par with Gtown's? Nowhere. That is a basketball school. Memphis is in no way the same thing as Louisville or Rutgers or Uconn. I doubt we'd beat Memphis many times in football, and the point is if you are going to be FBS you probably have some kind of FBS-level ambitions. Maybe not rational, but ambitions nonetheless. Maybe not but I'm telling you our RPI type number was higher than Memphis at some point this season in fb. They may certainly wish to have Big 10 aspirations but they are not spending any money on the program. They play in a empty rotting dump.
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,791
|
Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 13, 2012 14:28:38 GMT -5
When making a decision towards this, what is the most important thing?
The single most important thing is keeping the basketball program at the level it is at. It drives exposure, alumni relations and money, money, money. Even more money than just what is given to the athletic department.
I'd fly everyone to Gonzaga every year if I think their program makes our conference worth televising every game.
|
|
|
Post by fsohoya on Dec 13, 2012 14:28:42 GMT -5
I doubt we'd beat Memphis many times in football, and the point is if you are going to be FBS you probably have some kind of FBS-level ambitions. Maybe not rational, but ambitions nonetheless. Maybe not but I'm telling you our RPI type number was higher than Memphis at some point this season in fb. They may certainly wish to have Big 10 aspirations but they are not spending any money on the program. They play in a empty rotting dump. I think it was higher at one point last year, and I'm sure not saying Memphis has a great football program. But if we're not consistently beating 1-AA teams without schollies, I doubt we'd consistently beat a 1-A with them.
|
|
boxout05
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 573
|
Post by boxout05 on Dec 13, 2012 14:30:30 GMT -5
Bin: If you want to stay with 12 teams in the northeast, that's not crazy. I think those midwest schools, and Creighton in particular, adds heft to the conference though. I'd love to include Gonzaga too, fantastic program, but I think it's a bridge too far. Having two teams in the pacific northwest is too much travel, esp. for all sports, but I don't think the Midwest is AS bad. Furthermore, I like the idea of subdivisions and think you can tweak the schedule so the bulk of their travel is to Ohio/Chicago/Milwaukee...not bad for schools used to traveling longer distances than the A10, WCC, or pre-CUSA Big East.
|
|
rosslynhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 2,595
|
Post by rosslynhoya on Dec 13, 2012 14:32:17 GMT -5
A lot of people keep saying VCU... which would then be the only public school in the league. Is there are any good reason people aren't mentioning the University of Richmond instead?
I really hope there's a good outreach plan for keeping the four current-ish football teams in the fold with some kind of affinity and to send feelers out to ND and BC. Getting the better A-10 and MWC/WCC teams into the conference doesn't seem like the first priority.
|
|
Cambridge
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Canes Pugnaces
Posts: 5,304
|
Post by Cambridge on Dec 13, 2012 14:32:20 GMT -5
"The "Catholic 7" had no say for so long and now have raged against, taken the power back, and in doing so have to sacrifice something bigger than themselves in order to save themselves. It hurts college basketball as a whole, but is what they're doing really all that different from any other major realignment move over the past 18 months? Actually, you know what? It is. This is actually a positive move for college athletics and college basketball. Rare, that. I find no ire for these hoops-driven universities who have to find a way to survive -- and survive on their terms." www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21391471/the-bright-side-of-blowing-up-the-big-east
|
|
thebin
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,849
|
Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 14:32:40 GMT -5
|
|
jgalt
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,380
|
Post by jgalt on Dec 13, 2012 14:33:08 GMT -5
If you are going to split from FBS football, you have to do it completely. Its a joke to drop the Big East then ask half the BE to join you.
You have to have a coherent message to sell to fans. Telling them "well we got these teams in our new league! But Memphis and Temple will only play basketball, and UConn will play everything but football" No one will get it. The stories will just be about that odd arrangement.
If you want to go it alone, Basketball only. Its the only way.
And keep it to 14 or fewer (fewer is better). Giant leagues arent always better. This league will need to develop new rivalries. Fewer teams (meaning playing the same team more often) will produce these rivalries faster.
|
|
thebin
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,849
|
Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 14:34:07 GMT -5
Bin: If you want to stay with 12 teams in the northeast, that's not crazy. I think those midwest schools, and Creighton in particular, adds heft to the conference though. I'd love to include Gonzaga too, fantastic program, but I think it's a bridge too far. Having two teams in the pacific northwest is too much travel, esp. for all sports, but I don't think the Midwest is AS bad. Furthermore, I like the idea of subdivisions and think you can tweak the schedule so the bulk of their travel is to Ohio/Chicago/Milwaukee...not bad for schools used to traveling longer distances than the A10, WCC, or pre-CUSA Big East. I can deal with Creighton...they are central time zone, not mountain, right?
|
|
boxout05
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 573
|
Post by boxout05 on Dec 13, 2012 14:34:10 GMT -5
I'd fly everyone to Gonzaga every year if I think their program makes our conference worth televising every game. I'd try a via home-and-home scheduling agreement first. No need to drag Zaga into the whole conference.
|
|
thebin
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,849
|
Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 14:34:56 GMT -5
If you are going to split from FBS football, you have to do it completely. Its a joke to drop the Big East then ask half the BE to join you. You have to have a coherent message to sell to fans. Telling them "well we got these teams in our new league! But Memphis and Temple will only play basketball, and UConn will play everything but football" No one will get it. The stories will just be about that odd arrangement. If you want to go it alone, Basketball only. Its the only way. And keep it to 14 or fewer (fewer is better). Giant leagues arent always better. This league will need to develop new rivalries. Fewer teams (meaning playing the same team more often) will produce these rivalries faster. I agree with this sentiment but NOT when it comes to Memphis. They might as well have IAA football. And I totally agree 14 is most, 12 is ideal.
|
|
|
Post by fsohoya on Dec 13, 2012 14:35:05 GMT -5
A lot of people keep saying VCU... which would then be the only public school in the league. Is there are any good reason people aren't mentioning the University of Richmond instead? I really hope there's a good outreach plan for keeping the four current-ish football teams in the fold with some kind of affinity and to send feelers out to ND and BC. Getting the better A-10 and MWC/WCC teams into the conference doesn't seem like the first priority. Richmond is private.
|
|
thebin
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,849
|
Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 14:36:13 GMT -5
whether a school is private, public, catholic, or vegan should have exactly ZERO bearing on this.
|
|
hoyaback
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 140
|
Post by hoyaback on Dec 13, 2012 14:37:02 GMT -5
the national conference idea clearly has to clear a traveling expense issue. Not having a clue how to calculate that, any suggestion on this board assumes we can clear that problem.
The East/West conference split is just a suggestion to decrease travel time. Bball teams only play out of division a couple of times a year. And I dont see why our non-bball sports have any reason to go visit the Zags - Nonbball sports stay within their respective divisions except for a conference championship.
If you think its ridiculous to expect college students to have to travel like that/theres no way the expenses work, keep in mind right now Marquette and USF are in the same conference.
|
|
thebin
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,849
|
Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 14:38:10 GMT -5
Can we stay away from splitting this new league into divisions? It is a totally useless idea unless you have TOO many teams. 12 teams...no divisions.
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,791
|
Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 13, 2012 14:38:44 GMT -5
I'd fly everyone to Gonzaga every year if I think their program makes our conference worth televising every game. I'd try a via home-and-home scheduling agreement first. No need to drag Zaga into the whole conference. That doesn't do anything to sell the conference to a sports network. People's ideas here don't seem to understand the incredible knife's edge the entire program is sitting on. Jumping -- and ending up with Richmond (value to a sports network is negative) instead of Gonzaga or even VCU -- is a real problem.
|
|
jgalt
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,380
|
Post by jgalt on Dec 13, 2012 14:39:58 GMT -5
Teams in every major conference travel like that all the time. Even non-revenue sports. I dont think its a major stumbling block.
|
|