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Post by Admin on Oct 4, 2012 9:54:15 GMT -5
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Post by derhoya on Oct 4, 2012 11:47:53 GMT -5
This one might hurt if Skon plays like he did last week. Hopefully Aiken is back and the Oline remembers to do its damn job.
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Post by thebin on Oct 4, 2012 12:11:51 GMT -5
Yeah I hope people realize this is NOT last year's Fordham team. It seems all those schollies have finally caught up to them. I'm fearful this team has more talent than Brown.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 4, 2012 12:43:33 GMT -5
This one might hurt if Skon plays like he did last week. Hopefully Aiken is back and the Oline remembers to do its damn job. Aiken was still in the protective boot last week and it's only been two weeks since the injury. There's a chance Kyle Nolan (4th string) sees time in this game if things get bad or if Skon is beaten up. The potential of a bad loss to a 45-scholarship Fordham team will not do well for Georgetown's discernment of what to do going forward in a scholarship PL. The staff was quick to cut the Richmond and ODU series when those teams were judged to be head and shoulders past the Hoyas, and GU's standing against teams like Fordham (as a precursor to PL teams in 2013 and beyond) is worth watching. |
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Post by thebin on Oct 4, 2012 12:52:30 GMT -5
"The potential of a bad loss to a 45-scholarship Fordham team will not do well for Georgetown's discernment of what to do going forward in a scholarship PL"
On the other hand, a win might do even more to damage the chances that they consider granting schollies on the Hilltop in some form ever. Unless you are conceding that schollies are not going to happen no matter what and it is a choice between sticking it out in the PL without them or fleeing to some far less desirable league with greater travel.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 4, 2012 13:07:46 GMT -5
Not conceding anything, only that Georgetown's recent record in the Bronx is poor and the team is playing a third string QB without significant experience.
I don't think it's the PL or the highway. Making a case for 60 scholarships, as noted on another thread, is a complicated one.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Oct 4, 2012 16:18:44 GMT -5
This one might hurt if Skon plays like he did last week. Hopefully Aiken is back and the Oline remembers to do its damn job. Aiken was still in the protective boot last week and it's only been two weeks since the injury. There's a chance Kyle Nolan (4th string) sees time in this game if things get bad or if Skon is beaten up. The potential of a bad loss to a 45-scholarship Fordham team will not do well for Georgetown's discernment of what to do going forward in a scholarship PL. The staff was quick to cut the Richmond and ODU series when those teams were judged to be head and shoulders past the Hoyas, and GU's standing against teams like Fordham (as a precursor to PL teams in 2013 and beyond) is worth watching. I'm sorry if I missed an announcment somewhere, but is Kempf out again for sure? Neither Kempf nor Aiken are in this week's two-deep according to the GU game notes.--Admin |
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Post by derhoya on Oct 4, 2012 23:14:43 GMT -5
For what its worth, I heard some rumblings that Kempf might be done for the year as he's still having headaches, which if true - the guy oughta hang 'em up. Aiken's high ankle sprain isn't a fun thing to come back for any skill guy either.
Moorhead as HC for fordham is a scary thing. When he had WRs Mccardle, Hester, and Bowser @ Gtown, he put up some pretty numbers in his passing attack from 2001-2003. More success would have come but other areas of the offensive were overmatched. I assume athletes of a similar caliber or better are at his disposal now.
Give 'em hell Hoyas!
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Post by hoyaparents on Oct 5, 2012 15:46:54 GMT -5
If Kempf is done for the season, is he eligible to red shirt and play next year?
What is GU's policy?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 5, 2012 17:11:03 GMT -5
He is eligible for a redshirt, and Georgetown has a couple players on the roster who have redshirted for injury and are now RS SRs.
I have commented on this before, and unless you're a guy with a legitimate shot at the league, it makes ZERO sense to come back for a fifth year at Georgetown. You're basically paying 50k in order to play one more year of football. I know that collegiate athletics are an irreplaceable experience, but that last year isn't worth that much. And you're going to be splitting half of your year of grad school with a major commitment that no one else has. Just doesn't seem to be a good decision in my book.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 5, 2012 19:01:11 GMT -5
I have commented on this before, and unless you're a guy with a legitimate shot at the league, it makes ZERO sense to come back for a fifth year at Georgetown. You're basically paying 50k in order to play one more year of football. I know that collegiate athletics are an irreplaceable experience, but that last year isn't worth that much. And you're going to be splitting half of your year of grad school with a major commitment that no one else has. Just doesn't seem to be a good decision in my book. If a student has not completed his degree, he is still eligible for financial aid, so a fifth year isn't at full price. Thre are two fifth year seniors in Logan and Stafford and potentially two more next year if Caliguire or Burke opt to come back from pre-season injury. Kempf and/or Aiken have their own decisions, of course, and Georgetown still needs to develop a future QB at some point, but at least it would be an option to go with a 4th or a 5th year player in 2013. And in a tough job market, there are worse places to be than a December graduate with one more season on the football field. |
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 6, 2012 10:05:56 GMT -5
I have commented on this before, and unless you're a guy with a legitimate shot at the league, it makes ZERO sense to come back for a fifth year at Georgetown. You're basically paying 50k in order to play one more year of football. I know that collegiate athletics are an irreplaceable experience, but that last year isn't worth that much. And you're going to be splitting half of your year of grad school with a major commitment that no one else has. Just doesn't seem to be a good decision in my book. If a student has not completed his degree, he is still eligible for financial aid, so a fifth year isn't at full price. Thre are two fifth year seniors in Logan and Stafford and potentially two more next year if Caliguire or Burke opt to come back from pre-season injury. Kempf and/or Aiken have their own decisions, of course, and Georgetown still needs to develop a future QB at some point, but at least it would be an option to go with a 4th or a 5th year player in 2013. And in a tough job market, there are worse places to be than a December graduate with one more season on the football field. But a kid like Stafford from Greenwich isn't getting financial aid, or much of it. I don't see the return on investment from another season playing football when it comes at such a high cost without the potential benefit of playing professionally. |
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Post by thebin on Oct 6, 2012 10:09:24 GMT -5
The investment is in the graduate education. You realize the kids go to gtown for the book learnin' right? They dont come for the stadium, that's for sure.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 6, 2012 11:19:55 GMT -5
The investment is in the graduate education. You realize the kids go to gtown for the book learnin' right? They dont come for the stadium, that's for sure. But most of the kids aren't headed to grad school. They simply enroll for the extra eligibility. So you're funneled into a grad program and you're also behind because half of your year of study is taken up with an obligation your classmates don't have. |
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Post by teamhoya on Oct 6, 2012 11:54:58 GMT -5
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Post by derhoya on Oct 6, 2012 11:55:11 GMT -5
The investment is in the graduate education. You realize the kids go to gtown for the book learnin' right? They dont come for the stadium, that's for sure. But most of the kids aren't headed to grad school. They simply enroll for the extra eligibility. So you're funneled into a grad program and you're also behind because half of your year of study is taken up with an obligation your classmates don't have. Not sure where this 'grad school' idea is coming from for football players, but typically 5th year guys, whether on the team or not, are around to finish their undergrad degrees b/c they're short 12-15 cr for their degree. Some may have more. Many guys have a hard time maintaining the 15cr/semester need to graduate on time especially when balancing travel or certain degree requirements. For other sports/athletes, you have to weigh RS benchmark in the BE vs PL. I feel earning a PL RS is very difficult to get. IIRC, you can't play more than 20% of the season or 2.5 games, very odd stuff. I honestly don't know the BE RS requirements, but I tend to think a more established conference won't have such an odd maximum (i.e. 20%) for BE athletes. That means many BE student-athletes may have an easier time seeking to RS 1 yr or even a 2nd after earning a medical RS if their nicked up or injuried. These ppl typically finish their undergrad degrees and will be pushed to some MPP/MS degree program. I know of several track and 1 or 2 soccer players off the top of my head who have done such a thing. Of the last 10 or so senior classes, I don't know of any footballers who are in such MS/MPP degree programs. That said, I don't know what Tucker/Chance are doing. |
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Post by Admin on Oct 6, 2012 12:14:17 GMT -5
Fordham 30 yard FG, 3-0, 10:46 1st
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Post by Admin on Oct 6, 2012 12:27:48 GMT -5
31 yard pass to Macari, followed by 5 yrd Macari run, TD
Georgetown 7-3, 6:42 1st
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Post by Admin on Oct 6, 2012 12:33:47 GMT -5
Fordham responds with a 6 play, 70 yard drive, and a 19 yd. TD pass. (Fordham QB Ryan Higgins is 9-11 for 77 yards.)
Fordham 10-7, 3:26 1st
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Post by Admin on Oct 6, 2012 12:43:24 GMT -5
End of 1st, 10-7
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