TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 23, 2012 13:43:38 GMT -5
espn insider link to "Standout Performances" from the game: es.pn/TtrIEE"Whenever a great shooter makes his first shot of the game, he’s typically on his way to a big night. That’s exactly what happened when Cameron opened the game’s scoring with a 3-pointer and never looked back. While his long-range jumper remained his bread and butter, he used his size and high release to score over top of opposing defenders inside the lane, spinning away off the catch and utilizing a variety of crafty maneuvers to free himself for buckets in all three ranges. His performance earned him MVP honors for the New Jersey squad." Thanks for sharing. Sounds like he can fill it up in a variety of ways. With him Domingo and DSR points won't be a problem. Going foward we will need to keep our eyes on the defensive side of the equation. Glad he's with the good guys though. Hayes (and Hopkins to a certain extent) is the key to the defense going forward, I think. The Hoyas had a great defense despite JWall and Sapp's deficiencies (and Austin's as well) because of Roy's effect on the game. If Hayes can turn into a Roy like defender, that'll go a long way toward a good defense, even if Domingo/DSR/Cameron aren't plus defenders on the perimeter.
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Post by BigmanU on Oct 23, 2012 14:18:33 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing. Sounds like he can fill it up in a variety of ways. With him Domingo and DSR points won't be a problem. Going foward we will need to keep our eyes on the defensive side of the equation. Glad he's with the good guys though. Hayes (and Hopkins to a certain extent) is the key to the defense going forward, I think. The Hoyas had a great defense despite JWall and Sapp's deficiencies (and Austin's as well) because of Roy's effect on the game. If Hayes can turn into a Roy like defender, that'll go a long way toward a good defense, even if Domingo/DSR/Cameron aren't plus defenders on the perimeter. Thats alot to put on Hayes shoulders alone. Dont forget in 07 Jeff & Pat Jr were exceptional defenders and if nothing else Summers was long for a Small Foward. In 08' same thing minus Jeff. Thats alot of production to make up without making another Whittington/Porter type defensive acqusitions going foward.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 23, 2012 15:14:32 GMT -5
Hayes (and Hopkins to a certain extent) is the key to the defense going forward, I think. The Hoyas had a great defense despite JWall and Sapp's deficiencies (and Austin's as well) because of Roy's effect on the game. If Hayes can turn into a Roy like defender, that'll go a long way toward a good defense, even if Domingo/DSR/Cameron aren't plus defenders on the perimeter. Thats alot to put on Hayes shoulders alone. Dont forget in 07 Jeff & Pat Jr were exceptional defenders and if nothing else Summers was long for a Small Foward. In 08' same thing minus Jeff. Thats alot of production to make up without making another Whittington/Porter type defensive acqusitions going foward. I'll agree with that. Obviously, Hayes can't do it alone, but add in at least another year of Whittington, 2 more years of Trawick and Hopkins at the 4 (hopefully he can improve defensively, especially on the boards) and there's enough defensive talent to cover DSR/Domingo/Cameron, but the key to having a good defense with slower perimeter players is a big guy that owns the paint and can shut down the driving game by himself. If the reports on those three are true, our defense will be bad without a big guy that controls the paint as well as Roy did. Right now, Hayes is probably the only guy who can do that (Maybe Hopkins. Moses or Bolden can do it also, but the extra 2-3 inches Hayes has makes a big difference).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 1:23:21 GMT -5
Alex Schwartz @northstarbball Reggie Cameron (Georgetown), Mike Young (Pitt) and Kavon Stewart (Robert Morris) all signing today, per Playaz AAU coach Jimmy Salmon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2012 15:22:29 GMT -5
www.nationalrecruitingspotlight.com/2012/11/23/pf-reggie-cameron-interview-otto-porter-chess-recruiting-d-johnson/Are you recruiting anyone to join you at Georgetown? Well, I thought we were getting [class of 2013 center] Kennedy Meeks (North Carolina) but we didn’t so I wish him the best of luck. I talk to Dakari Johnson and hit him up every week and let him know Georgetown is the pick for him. I just tell him to look at their track record and it’s big man university. How well do you think Georgetown will do this year? I think they’re gonna do really well. They’re going to finish higher in the Big East than what they were rated and we have a really tall starting lineup. [Sophomore forward] Otto Porter is one of the best players in the country; he’s an all-around player. Everyone plays hard, fills their role and gets the job done. What are you looking forward to in your time at Georgetown? Winning basketball games, making Final Fours and getting to the NCAA Tournament every year. I look forward to playing with everybody because they’re no seniors this year.
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Post by KirbyKeger on Nov 24, 2012 0:32:43 GMT -5
If we add Reggie and Dakari to the mix, and for some reason Otto stays put for one more year, that bit about making Final Fours sounds really legitimate.
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Post by daymondmyles on Nov 24, 2012 10:23:59 GMT -5
If Otto somehow stayed (which he won't) and dakari came on board, if be disappointed if we didn't win a championship.
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Post by jsk793 on Nov 24, 2012 12:37:16 GMT -5
First off, I want to say that everyone thinks otto is a near automatic (or ottomatic, if you will) to jump to the NBA. While I do think there is a good chance he leaves early, I also think there is a decent chance he stays. I could definitely see someone like otto wanting to come back another year and try to contend for a naitonal championship. Especially if someone like Dakari Johnson were to commit. Now if otto stayed and johnson committed, I wouldn't be dissappointed if we didn't win a championship, I would be disappointed if we didn't contend for one
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Nov 24, 2012 12:44:55 GMT -5
First off, I want to say that everyone thinks otto is a near automatic (or ottomatic, if you will) to jump to the NBA. While I do think there is a good chance he leaves early, I also think there is a decent chance he stays. I could definitely see someone like otto wanting to come back another year and try to contend for a naitonal championship. Especially if someone like Dakari Johnson were to commit. Now if otto stayed and johnson committed, I wouldn't be dissappointed if we didn't win a championship, I would be disappointed if we didn't contend for one This. If any star were to come back it would be a guy like Otto (much more so than Monroe). He knows the importance of patience. He can also continue to work on his handle and shot creation before he gets to the league if he wants to make an optimal impact when he gets to the league.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2012 12:57:22 GMT -5
Otto’s probably a top 10 pick at this point, he might stay, but I would not get my hopes up.. It’s a weak draft this year and next year is loaded..
Keep working on Dakari though Reggie.. good chit
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Nov 24, 2012 13:41:42 GMT -5
ItÂ’s a weak draft this year and next year is loaded.. This was literally said last year. And probably the year before. Guys over perform projection and guys underperform projections, for the most part. It's just what happens. I agree we'd only be getting our hopes up to think he'd come back, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Greg was always a top 10 pick but even he said he was coming back for a junior year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2012 14:10:20 GMT -5
ItÂ’s a weak draft this year and next year is loaded.. This was literally said last year. And probably the year before. Guys over perform projection and guys underperform projections, for the most part. It's just what happens. I agree we'd only be getting our hopes up to think he'd come back, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Greg was always a top 10 pick but even he said he was coming back for a junior year. Next years draft class will be absolutely loaded, best in many years. The Harrison Twins, Wiggins, Randle, Jabari Parker, all could go Number 1 THIS year. Guys like Vonleh, James Young, Chris Walker, Dakari Johnson, Aaron Gordon are studs too. Now we don’t know who will declare but the talent pool is deep. Scouts and GM’s are definitely all over this class… It’s early but many have said the talent pool for this years draft is weak and there is no consensus Number 1. The fact that Zeller is a top 3 and possible number 1 selection tells me all I need to know about this draft. Noel, Shabazz, Mcadoo, and Zeller none of those players scream NBA star to me, but I could be wrong.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Nov 24, 2012 14:23:50 GMT -5
This was literally said last year. And probably the year before. Guys over perform projection and guys underperform projections, for the most part. It's just what happens. I agree we'd only be getting our hopes up to think he'd come back, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Greg was always a top 10 pick but even he said he was coming back for a junior year. Next years draft class will be absolutely loaded, best in many years. The Harrison Twins, Wiggins, Randle, Jabari Parker, all could go Number 1 THIS year. Guys like Vonleh, James Young, Chris Walker, Dakari Johnson, Aaron Gordon are studs too. Now we don’t know who will declare but the talent pool is deep. Scouts and GM’s are definitely all over this class… It’s early but many have said the talent pool for this years draft is weak and there is no consensus Number 1. The fact that Zeller is a top 3 and possible number 1 selection tells me all I need to know about this draft. Noel, Shabazz, Mcadoo, and Zeller none of those players scream NBA star to me, but I could be wrong. I agree that next year will be loaded, I know. But there is still a lot of time between now and then for things to change. And also, there's a difference between being top heavy and being deep. Just because the top 3 picks are in question 2 weeks into the season, doesnt mean that A) Someone wont emerge as a consensus top pick, and B) that there isnt equal talent outside of the top 10 picks. Im just trying to make the point that the "strength" of a draft is not as significant as it is made out to be. Many factors change throughout the year. And I dont think it matters as much, because if Otto keeps improving, as he will, he will still be a top 10 or top 15 pick in a loaded 2013 draft. If he comes back he will be one of the frontrunners for national POY and will still be a hot commodity. It helps that this year is his first of real exposure. That said, it would be silly to expect Otto to be back next year but if there is any kid in the country that would come back in that situation it would be him. I think the addition of Dakari would greatly increase his chances of coming back.
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Post by IDenj on Nov 24, 2012 15:03:11 GMT -5
Every year a fan base goes to great extent to give reasons why player X is staying. But the lure of the league pretty much trumps all. If Otto were smart, and there is every reason to believe he is due to his choosing the Hoyas, he is as good as gone. Don't worry about these things; enjoy his time as a Hoya.
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Post by idhoya on Nov 24, 2012 18:16:57 GMT -5
the recruiting steps taken alone should tell you all you need to know.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Nov 24, 2012 18:22:47 GMT -5
Yeah but it's not like Otto has come out and let JT3 know he's definitely leaving after this year. He still doesn't know. He still has to work hard so it would be natural for coach to recruit for his position because he might be gone. It doesn't tell me "all I need to know". Every coach tries to keep spots filled as much as possible and it's not as if JT3 is naive to the fact that Otto will probably be gone next year.
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Post by idhoya on Nov 24, 2012 20:22:13 GMT -5
well I hope he stays like you do.
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Post by gahoya on Nov 25, 2012 0:34:03 GMT -5
Its not that they are recruiting at his position, it is that they are recruiting at scholarship spots we currently don't have. A reason why one might open up is that he would leave.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Nov 25, 2012 7:32:27 GMT -5
Its not that they are recruiting at his position, it is that they are recruiting at scholarship spots we currently don't have. A reason why one might open up is that he would leave. Coaches have to keep recruiting. Just because there aren't any schollies left doesn't mean they just stop recruiting 2013 altogether. Tyler is currently using a scholarship that will become available when we need it. And it's not that I'm "hoping Otto will come back", I'm just considering all angles of the situation. Nothing is set in stone yet. I mean even Terrence Jones passed up the opportunity at the NBA after his first year. Pretty much the only reason a player would decide to do that is if he thought he had a chance at a national championship the following year. Add a 5 star center and we could compete as soon as next year. Imagine what this roster would look like with Nerlens....there would be 3 NBA guys in our starting 5 and they would all be plus defenders. That is more than enough to win in college basketball. All it takes is one guy to take us over the hump.
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Post by stafford72 on Nov 25, 2012 8:03:03 GMT -5
Apologies to Reggie if he follows this site. I think it is time for a Hijack alert!! Let's enjoy this season and try not to get into the head of a college sophomore. I would hope he will do what in his heart and mind is best for him. We should do the same and get on with something else.
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