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Post by EasyEd on Oct 5, 2013 14:52:42 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 28, 2013 14:11:43 GMT -5
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Post by quickplay on Oct 28, 2013 14:57:01 GMT -5
They're going to teach law students how to navigate regulatory issues surrounding a massive new healthcare law and reproductive issues?!?! Next thing you know they're going to teach these future lawyers how to defend murderers and thieves!!
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 28, 2013 15:11:56 GMT -5
They're going to teach law students how to navigate regulatory issues surrounding a massive new healthcare law and reproductive issues?!?! Next thing you know they're going to teach these future lawyers how to defend murderers and thieves!! Just because an action is legal doesn't make it okay in the moral or ethical sense. For example, I would support the KKK's right to march down any Main Street in America, even though I find their ideas to be repugnant. Such support would not, I hope, indicate that I support the Klan or white supremacy in general. Rather, I hope this would indicate that I support rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America. In the same sense, I don't think that Georgetown providing instruction in legal procedure has anything to do with endorsing abortion. Law schools typically instruct future lawyers to protect their clients' legal interests, regardless of the lawyer's moral judgment. Is it your opinion that Georgetown shouldn't have a law school at all, because lawyers sometimes assist their clients in obtaining divorces, gaining single-parent custody of children, etc?
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Post by quickplay on Oct 28, 2013 15:18:02 GMT -5
We're both quoted so I don't know if that was directed at me, but I completely agree with you. Under the same umbrella of what you said, criminal defense lawyers are not pro-crime.
Even so, the article is weaker than that. It loosely mixes contraception and abortion, and it makes claims that it does not support (including the original article linked within). Becaues GU Law is working with a group that also does XYZ does not mean the law school or its students will be doing XYZ; the author clearly wants the reader to think GU Law students will be working to help women secure abortions under the ACA, but it conveniently leaves the dots unconnected. Conjecture works wonders.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 29, 2013 10:11:43 GMT -5
We're both quoted so I don't know if that was directed at me, but I completely agree with you. Under the same umbrella of what you said, criminal defense lawyers are not pro-crime. Even so, the article is weaker than that. It loosely mixes contraception and abortion, and it makes claims that it does not support (including the original article linked within). Becaues GU Law is working with a group that also does XYZ does not mean the law school or its students will be doing XYZ; the author clearly wants the reader to think GU Law students will be working to help women secure abortions under the ACA, but it conveniently leaves the dots unconnected. Conjecture works wonders. Sorry, I meant to indicate my agreement with your post by quoting you. My question about whether GU should have a law school because lawyers may facilitate actions which are legally permissible but morally unacceptable was directed to EasyEd. ON EDIT: Perhaps its appropriate to add here that the University very recently accepted a large sum of money from Frank McCourt that many believe was acquired (at least in part) legally but not ethically. To me, the goal of a Catholic University should not be to create a society where people can't legally get abortions, or divorces, or acquire large sums of money through shady business practices and tax-dodging. The goal should be to create a society where people don't do those things because they personally find them morally unacceptable. So which is worse, accepting Frank McCourt's Dodger-sale money or teaching law students how to be lawyers who may help clients take legal action?
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 9, 2014 8:25:09 GMT -5
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Post by CWS on Mar 5, 2014 7:40:41 GMT -5
Papal InterviewPope Francis: Then later the article quotes him as saying: Finally, the article has this statement: I'm not sure how all those quotes line up...not saying they don't, just not sure: 1) Mercy is the center of the Gospel; 2) closeness to poverty will be key at last judgment; and 3) you can't say that one value is more important than another. I like all of them, even if challenged by the second.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 5, 2014 8:09:50 GMT -5
I believe the statement that closeness to poverty will be the key. I believe that a poverty of spirit, not that of money, is most important. When you have money, that can be an incredibly difficult challenge and responsilbility.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 5, 2014 9:46:04 GMT -5
Hope this Lent is a time of spiritual advancement for all.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 5, 2014 11:27:59 GMT -5
Amen to that.
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Post by TC on Jan 11, 2021 7:09:15 GMT -5
This is where the Church is at in 2021? I grew up in a parish in the 1980's where we had female altar servers and female lectors, and the parish priest kept finding new ways to incorporate women and girls into the liturgy even when we got a Bishop who kept trying to exclude women. I wasn't aware this kind of discrimination was still allowed in the Church - I haven't seen it practiced like that in the Northeast.
Reading the comments on the thread from women who say they wished they could have been altar servers when they were kids and were excluded - makes me sad, angry and disappointed that this is the type of progress the Church still has to make.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 27, 2021 19:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 27, 2021 20:06:27 GMT -5
How dare you. Basic Catholic teaching, stretching many centuries, is being defended against an increasingly hard left intent on transforming the Church into one not recognizable to the many, many popes preceding Pope Francis. The current holder of the office of the presidency publicly and strongly advocates for positions diametrically opposed to Catholic doctrine as outlined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 27, 2021 20:11:34 GMT -5
How dare you. Basic Catholic teaching, stretching many centuries, is being defended against an increasingly hard left intent on transforming the Church into one not recognizable to the many, many popes preceding Pope Francis. The current holder of the office of the presidency publicly and strongly advocates for positions diametrically opposed to Catholic doctrine as outlined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You are part of a church that, for at least decades but probably much longer, covered up rampant child abuse. The Catholic Church is a criminal organization and anyone still part of it is complicit in its crimes. And, all for a ridiculous myth. Insane.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 27, 2021 20:26:05 GMT -5
How dare you. Basic Catholic teaching, stretching many centuries, is being defended against an increasingly hard left intent on transforming the Church into one not recognizable to the many, many popes preceding Pope Francis. The current holder of the office of the presidency publicly and strongly advocates for positions diametrically opposed to Catholic doctrine as outlined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. How dare I do what? I posted E.J. Dionne's opinion column. Am I somehow barred from doing so? Especially curious is that I expressed no opinion one way or the other on Mr. Dionne's opinion. ?
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Post by hoyajinx on Jan 27, 2021 20:38:19 GMT -5
How dare you. Basic Catholic teaching, stretching many centuries, is being defended against an increasingly hard left intent on transforming the Church into one not recognizable to the many, many popes preceding Pope Francis. The current holder of the office of the presidency publicly and strongly advocates for positions diametrically opposed to Catholic doctrine as outlined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Who is defending basic Catholic teachings? Please don’t tell me you think Republicans. Oh yeah, I forget you still like to pretend Republicans are pro-life.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 28, 2021 11:32:31 GMT -5
How dare you. Basic Catholic teaching, stretching many centuries, is being defended against an increasingly hard left intent on transforming the Church into one not recognizable to the many, many popes preceding Pope Francis. The current holder of the office of the presidency publicly and strongly advocates for positions diametrically opposed to Catholic doctrine as outlined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. How dare I do what? I posted E.J. Dionne's opinion column. Am I somehow barred from doing so? Especially curious is that I expressed no opinion one way or the other on Mr. Dionne's opinion. ? I don't believe you would have quoted Dionne's piece if you were not expressing some agreement. Were you? If not I apologize.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 28, 2021 11:54:02 GMT -5
Members of the Catholic Church hierarchy made grave mistakes in covering up the sexual abuse scandals and should be condemned for that. The Church has instituted procedures to minimize the likelihood of that happening again. Will it be successful over the long haul? I think so but only time will tell. Meanwhile the rank and file Catholics were not involved in the scandals and continued attempting to live their religion.
It is wrong to condemn the entire Catholic Church for the gross misdeeds of some; just as it would be wrong to condemn the entire United States for the wrongs of Trump and his associates.
You take every opportunity to show your disdain for Catholicism and you show no degree of tolerance of those that do not share your views. Your remarks about the Catholic Church are insulting to me.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 28, 2021 11:58:01 GMT -5
How dare you. Basic Catholic teaching, stretching many centuries, is being defended against an increasingly hard left intent on transforming the Church into one not recognizable to the many, many popes preceding Pope Francis. The current holder of the office of the presidency publicly and strongly advocates for positions diametrically opposed to Catholic doctrine as outlined in the CaNJtechism of the Catholic Church. Who is defending basic Catholic teachings? Please don’t tell me you think Republicans. Oh yeah, I forget you still like to pretend Republicans are pro-life. Basic Catholic teaching is being defended by lay and clerical persons in the Church.
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