EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 11, 2012 13:00:32 GMT -5
I don't see any disagreement with my earlier statement.
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Post by quickplay on Jul 11, 2012 14:28:45 GMT -5
As a Catholic, I believe that what Catholics believe and what the Catholic Church believes are often two very different things.
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 12, 2012 12:17:32 GMT -5
"As an anglican/episcopalian I find any comparison between the church I know/grew up in and the Catholic church." Cambridge, I am anxiously awaiting the end of your sentence. Sorry about that...I meant to say, I found it somewhat laughable. It's probably more like the difference between non-alcoholic beer and beer, than beer and lite beer.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 12, 2012 12:48:47 GMT -5
And spinning this discussion in a totally different direction, Arlington Diocese parishioners question need for fidelity oathQuote:Last month, Riley joined at least four other Sunday school teachers and resigned from her post at St. Ann’s parish after a letter arrived at her home requiring her — and all teachers in the Arlington Catholic Diocese — to submit “of will and intellect” to all of the teachings of church leaders...
The Arlington Diocese, which includes nearly a half-million Catholics across northern and eastern Virginia, is one of a small but growing number that are starting to demand fidelity oaths. The oaths reflect a churchwide push in recent years to revive orthodoxy that has sharply divided Catholics...
The Arlington “profession of faith” asks teachers to commit to “believe everything” the bishops characterize as divinely revealed, and Arlington’s top doctrine official said it would include things like the bishops’ recent campaign against a White House mandate that most employers offer contraception coverage. Critics consider the mandate a violation of religious freedom.
The Arlington Diocese is considered among the most conservative in the country and was the next to last in the nation to say girls could serve at the altar. Teachers must give the new oath in front of a priest.
My parish, St. Ignatius in Baltimore, is ultra liberal compared to this! Thank heaven. This is far too Grover Norquist for me.
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Post by Boz on Jul 12, 2012 15:38:14 GMT -5
"If you’re struggling with something, fine, don’t teach."
The diocese has every right to do this in their educational programs.
And those who have a problem with it have every right not to volunteer to teach Sunday School.
But if you're teaching Sunday School in a Catholic diocese, I can see why the church would want to make sure you're teaching their doctrine and not some "liberal Catholic" beliefs you might hold.
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Post by hooahhoya on Jul 12, 2012 16:40:30 GMT -5
I don't see any disagreement with my earlier statement. I disagree. Good talk, glad you started this thread.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 15, 2012 21:20:39 GMT -5
It's not that Catholics are running en masse to the Episcopal Church. There are now just 1.9 million Episcopalians in the US, or about one for every three Mormons, with most located between Virginia and Connecticut, with increasingly fewer adherents elsewhere. There were six Episcopal priests in Ft. Worth that were ordained Catholic last month--not an insignificant number with only 22 active parishes left in its diocese. The NY Times visits the issue of the slow death of that church in America: www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/opinion/sunday/douthat-can-liberal-christianity-be-saved.html?src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FBAside from a headline that could only come from the Times, the author's overall point is an interesting one: is "works before faith" a sustainable model for liberal Christianity?
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 16, 2012 12:32:24 GMT -5
Was the shooting of Pope John Paul II the final message/secret of Fatima? The following is taken from today's Meditation of the Day in "Magnificat":
THE GRACES OF OUR LADY OF MOUNT CARMEL Five months after the attack, the Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, returned to St. Peter’s Square….He said on that occasion: “Again I have become indebted to the Blessed Virgin and to all the patron saints. Could I forget that the event in Saint Peter’s Square took place on the day and at the hour when the first appearance of the Mother of Christ to the poor little peasants has been remembered for over sixty years at Fatima in Portugal?....” John Paul II: “Around Christmas 1983 I visited my attacker in prison. We spoke at length……In the course of our conversation Agca was still wondering how the attempted assassination could possibly have failed….And yet his intended victim had escaped death.” “The interesting thing was that his perplexity had led him to a religious question. He wanted to know about the secret of Fatima, and what the secret actually was. This was his principal concern; more than anything else, he wanted to know this.”
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 16, 2012 12:39:59 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 23, 2012 16:26:20 GMT -5
I remember growing up in the '50's and early '60's and going to Catholic school, the trepidation as we approach 1960, which was the date for the revelation of the 3rd secret. Lots of rumors about the 3rd secret, mostly about the end of the world or nuclear disaster. 1960 came and went without the secret being announced. See above for the details of the secret.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jul 23, 2012 17:26:22 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 31, 2012 9:07:48 GMT -5
Catholics believe in heaven, hell, angels and the devil.
From Matthew: His disciples approached him and said "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field." He said in reply "He who sows good seed is the Son of Man, the field is the world, the good seed the children of the Kingdom. The weeds are the children of the Evil One, and the enemy who sows them is the Devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. Just as weeds are collected and burned up with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of the Kingdom all who cause others to sin and all evildoers. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father."
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Post by sead43 on Aug 15, 2012 21:59:29 GMT -5
thought this was pretty good. Cardinal Dolan's response to criticism of his Al Smith Dinner invitation to the presidential candidates: blog.archny.org/index.php/al-smith-dinner/thought the parallels with some of Georgetown's recent "speaker controversies," while not exact, are nonetheless notable: "For one, an invitation to the Al Smith Dinner is not an award, or the provision of a platform to expound views at odds with the Church. It is an occasion of conversation; it is personal, not partisan." and, of course, the kicker... "In the end, I’m encouraged by the example of Jesus, who was blistered by his critics for dining with those some considered sinners; and by the recognition that, if I only sat down with people who agreed with me, and I with them, or with those who were saints, I’d be taking all my meals alone."
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Post by pertinax on Jul 9, 2013 10:42:02 GMT -5
Video: Medical Experts Confirm Unborn Children at 20 Weeks Feel Pain During Abortion www.youtube.com
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 9, 2013 15:35:49 GMT -5
Video: Medical Experts Confirm Unborn Children at 20 Weeks Feel Pain During Abortion www.youtube.comYou do not understand, Don't you know it's not a person until it pops out of the mother or whatever you call the carrier of it.
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Post by pertinax on Jul 9, 2013 19:11:30 GMT -5
True. Those lucky kangaroos, though: their gestating progeny are carried outside of their bodies in their pouches.
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Post by hoyatables on Jul 11, 2013 17:03:38 GMT -5
Two pages in and already on abortion. This thread is doomed.
Catholicism is, or used to be, about more than abortion. I applaud Ed for trying to dedicate a thread to a discussion of the many wonderful and mysterious aspects and tenets of the faith.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 12, 2013 8:54:22 GMT -5
Hoyatables, while I am not a practicing Catholic, I agree with your sentiment. That said, the thread is over a year old and hasn't yet filled 2 pages. On a Georgetown board no less. A little surprising. We could do 2 pages here on guessing Josh Smith's weight in about 10 minutes.
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Post by TC on Jul 12, 2013 11:20:09 GMT -5
Hoyatables, while I am not a practicing Catholic, I agree with your sentiment. That said, the thread is over a year old and hasn't yet filled 2 pages. On a Georgetown board no less. A little surprising. We could do 2 pages here on guessing Josh Smith's weight in about 10 minutes. Of course we could, it's a basketball board. But you bring up an interesting thought - is Josh Smith's weight loss the third secret of Fatima?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 29, 2013 6:53:14 GMT -5
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