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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 13, 2013 18:36:14 GMT -5
By the way, we heard similar criticism with Whit. When Otto was first introduced, people called him a back-up plan. And why are people calling Morgan a luxury and not a need? Isaac is skilled enough to play anywhere from 2-4. Cameron is a shooter, period. He doesn't do much else. Morgan is a flat wing, a three...the three all have different skillsets that make them unique to each other. Not only that, you can't have enough 6-8 skilled players at the college level in my opinion I recall that many thought Whitt would have to stay on the bench for a season or two until he was ready to play at such a high level as the BE demands (apparently his high school league is so weak some folks didn't think he could make the quick jump to the big time of D1 college hoops. As for this Morgan guy, don't know too much about him but the description above suggests he may not be a fit for III's system unless III increases the tempo and allows the agthleticism to show. Does Morgan have much of a halfcourt game or a three point shot? If not wouldn't that decrease his effectiveness in III's offense?
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 13, 2013 18:40:24 GMT -5
with. You ever go on the old mdvarsity site? Pretty much every NBA player out of the DMV except Kevin Durant and Mike Beasley sucked on that site. And that was a pretty Editedty call on Beasley as well, who is freaking toxic. I wouldn't go that far (for example they loved them some Ty Lawson), but I definitely get your point.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 13, 2013 18:45:47 GMT -5
Oh, POD watched him and concluded he isn't top 50? Yeah, don't want him.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 13, 2013 18:46:44 GMT -5
Don't sell JTIII's recruiting ability short. He's been outstanding on the trail. People crush him because he doesn't land the Top 10-20, but what he typically gets is guys who are talented, committed to defense, stay 2-4 years, and importantly have position skill/flexibility needed for his system. Without a question he always manages to bring in quality players, but let's not go overboard by saying he has been "outstanding" on the recruiting trail. Not for the last four years or so in which he has whiffed on his FIRST choices again and again and again. In fact most of the time he has spent on that recruiting trail has left him empty-handed. Such as Kyle Anderson whom he followed around like a lovesick groupie only to be given the brush off. Seriously...I'm not complaining about his time spent on the road recruiting. If his dad had done the same his dad would have made a college bball empire that would have rivaled Wooden's UCLA. So III won't get anything but praise from me on his effort. It has been his results that I have often found wanting.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 13, 2013 19:30:45 GMT -5
^this. if a top 30 wants t ocome, he will be here. the staff loves this kid. If Otto or greg or markel or DSR has taught us anything, it is to trust the staff when they recruit someone. Morgan will develop if he comes here I think folks get more than a little revisionist when it comes to Otto & Greg's recruitment. I've re-read the threads and the vast majority of posters were excited to get Otto. As for Greg after you get past the 1st 6 or 7 pages of his thread which had BronxHoya killing him, most other posters were happy there too.. Both threads are on the next page if anyone wants to check it out for themselves. It has to be mentioned also that when the staff landed both Greg & Otto the program was coming off a year in which Freeman played the 3 & Hollis & Bennimon played a lot at the 4 so there was a definite need for two 6-8+, long type kids. This won't be the case going into the '14-15 season. Read Chep3's post on the previous page or SF's thread on '14 - '15 recruiting. They both clearly show the program's need for 1's & 2's and 4 types. Chep actually lists Bowen as a backcourt candidate in '14, no offense to AB but he's not a handler at all. Again I know that Morgan is a talented kid and would be a great pull for any program but many of the kids the staff is on are highly rated too btw so it's not like missing out on Morgan means the next commitments will be low level kids. On the Verbal Commits site they compile & avg the rankings from ESPN, Scout & Rivals. Morgan - 17th Wiley - 38th Fits a need Bentil - 40th Fits a need E Robinson - 48th Booth - 58th Fits a need Lattin - 68th Fits a need D robinson - 93 Lastly, I do TTS and even more than that I realize that nothing I have to say or write will make one bit of difference at the end of the day.
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Post by chep3 on Mar 13, 2013 19:53:42 GMT -5
So, just to be clear, me saying it might be an odd recruiting choice to have a roster with Greg, Copeland, Aaron, Domingo, and Morgan means I'm saying we're Kentucky and pick and choose whomever we want? Look, I take the point that you should always take the best player available. But instead of addressing my point about recruiting for needs, you can characterize my argument in a way that's easy to reduce to the absurd. There's an opportunity cost to everything, and maybe Morgan is the best player available and would be a great fit here. But on the other hand, if by chance we get him and not another big, half the board is going to be bitching all year if and when Hayes and Bolden aren't ready for primetime.
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Post by tullamore2 on Mar 13, 2013 20:36:14 GMT -5
So, just to be clear, me saying it might be an odd recruiting choice to have a roster with Greg, Copeland, Aaron, Domingo, and Morgan means I'm saying we're Kentucky and pick and choose whomever we want? Look, I take the point that you should always take the best player available. But instead of addressing my point about recruiting for needs, you can characterize my argument in a way that's easy to reduce to the absurd. There's an opportunity cost to everything, and maybe Morgan is the best player available and would be a great fit here. But on the other hand, if by chance we get him and not another big, half the board is going to be bitching all year if and when Hayes and Bolden aren't ready for primetime. Why does it have to be "him and not another big man"? Starks, Lubick and Moses will be gone. Bowen may or may not play as a 5th year senior. Whittington could possibly bolt to the NBA. So there are a minimum of 3 scholarships available. Four or five depending on Bowen and Whittington. Their is enough room for Copeland, Morgan plus a big man. Maybe even two more.
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Post by idhoya on Mar 13, 2013 20:39:18 GMT -5
Let's fill out the roster. Lattin, Bentil, Booth, Wiley, next. It doesn't have to be either or.
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Post by chep3 on Mar 13, 2013 22:48:04 GMT -5
Why does it have to be "him and not another big man"? Starks, Lubick and Moses will be gone. Bowen may or may not play as a 5th year senior. Whittington could possibly bolt to the NBA. So there are a minimum of 3 scholarships available. Four or five depending on Bowen and Whittington. Their is enough room for Copeland, Morgan plus a big man. Maybe even two more. Well frankly, because I (and no one short of the kids themselves and JTIII) have no idea whether Aaron or Greg will be around, and so I'm going off what I know the roster looks like. I know by the time Copeland and (potentially) Morgan walk onto campus, we'll have only 1 guard with more than 1 year of eligibility (DSR) and we'll have no bigs that have played non-garbage time that have more than 1 year of eligibility. It looks more and more likely that 2013 is a 1 man class. It just seems to me that a 1 (or 1/2) and a 4/5 is more of a need. Which is why I termed Morgan "a luxury." You're right that things may shake out differently, and 2014 ends up a 4 or 5 man class (or 2013 ends up more than a 1 person class). And granted the staff is more likely to know that than any of us. But the situation seems somewhat odd to me because it looks likely to lead to a positional imbalance on the roster. PS...I know Greg and Otto is the obvious comparison, but the jury is still out on how well they worked together offensively.
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Post by nychoya3 on Mar 14, 2013 13:27:30 GMT -5
The new rivals rankings have Morgan up to 13 in the nation. To particularly drive POD crazy, they have him ahead of Theo Pinson now.
I haven't seen him play, but I'm just observing that there's a healthy debate on this board about whether we should make room for a local player ranked as the 13th best prospect in the nation. Just observing.
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Post by tullamore2 on Mar 14, 2013 13:40:53 GMT -5
The new rivals rankings have Morgan up to 13 in the nation. To particularly drive POD crazy, they have him ahead of Theo Pinson now. I haven't seen him play, but I'm just observing that there's a healthy debate on this board about whether we should make room for a local player ranked as the 13th best prospect in the nation. Just observing. Scout had him ranked #15.
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Post by krukster201 on Mar 14, 2013 13:41:09 GMT -5
No offense to POD , but to say this kid isn't top 50 is insane. He over came his tendinitis issues and has simply elevated his game. He will rip the spring/Summer circuit up and quiet his nonbelievers IMO .. He wants to come to the Hilltop no way you turn that type of talent down. Regardless , I trust the staff.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2013 13:57:44 GMT -5
TTS definitely! #13 and pass?! Don't get it...
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 14, 2013 14:40:13 GMT -5
I have a hunch this debate is going to be moot.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 14, 2013 16:38:24 GMT -5
No offense to POD , but to say this kid isn't top 50 is insane. He over came his tendinitis issues and has simply elevated his game. He will rip the spring/Summer circuit up and quiet his nonbelievers IMO .. He wants to come to the Hilltop no way you turn that type of talent down. Regardless , I trust the staff. He's a poor man's Roscoe Smith. But then again, I remember how everyone here fiended over Roscoe, so this isn't surprising. Not a top 50 guy. Top 50 guys don't play third fiddle on their high school teams.
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Post by DoctorHoya on Mar 14, 2013 16:39:33 GMT -5
No offense to POD , but to say this kid isn't top 50 is insane. He over came his tendinitis issues and has simply elevated his game. He will rip the spring/Summer circuit up and quiet his nonbelievers IMO .. He wants to come to the Hilltop no way you turn that type of talent down. Regardless , I trust the staff. He's a poor man's Roscoe Smith. But then again, I remember how everyone here fiended over Roscoe, so this isn't surprising. Not a top 50 guy. Top 50 guys don't play third fiddle on their high school teams. DSR was not the first option or even the second option most games. I think we would all agree that it turned out well for us
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 14, 2013 16:50:24 GMT -5
He's a poor man's Roscoe Smith. But then again, I remember how everyone here fiended over Roscoe, so this isn't surprising. Not a top 50 guy. Top 50 guys don't play third fiddle on their high school teams. DSR was not the first option or even the second option most games. I think we would all agree that it turned out well for us Doc, DSR was the best player on Oak Hill last year imo.. He was better than Lewis, Adams & the kid who went to Purdue
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 14, 2013 17:13:18 GMT -5
No offense to POD , but to say this kid isn't top 50 is insane. He over came his tendinitis issues and has simply elevated his game. He will rip the spring/Summer circuit up and quiet his nonbelievers IMO .. He wants to come to the Hilltop no way you turn that type of talent down. Regardless , I trust the staff. He's a poor man's Roscoe Smith. But then again, I remember how everyone here fiended over Roscoe, so this isn't surprising. Not a top 50 guy. Top 50 guys don't play third fiddle on their high school teams. Last year, Nigel Williams-Goss was the fifth option for Findlay...not only is he top 50, he's a mcDonald's kid. If you want, I can cite you plenty of top-50 kids who are the third best players on their team....
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Post by deacon on Mar 14, 2013 20:37:26 GMT -5
Morgan finished with 7 points (3-15 FG, 1-7 FT), 7 rebounds and a block in 60-43 loss to Benedectine at Alhambra today.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 14, 2013 20:52:49 GMT -5
He's a poor man's Roscoe Smith. But then again, I remember how everyone here fiended over Roscoe, so this isn't surprising. Not a top 50 guy. Top 50 guys don't play third fiddle on their high school teams. Last year, Nigel Williams-Goss was the fifth option for Findlay...not only is he top 50, he's a mcDonald's kid. If you want, I can cite you plenty of top-50 kids who are the third best players on their team.... Ummm...St Frances is NOT Findlay.
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