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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 11, 2012 12:40:48 GMT -5
What's the current % of students living on Campus? Isn't it already like 80-85% on campus? Going to 90% isn't really much of a difference. Definitely a win.
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Post by hoyatables on Jun 11, 2012 13:19:18 GMT -5
Good summary DFW. Yes, we are already above 80%. And FYI the undergrad cap is nothing new. That was proposed ago right at the outset nearly five years ago.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 11, 2012 15:05:31 GMT -5
7. Satellite campus: This is potentially the biggest issue in this settlment--Georgetown has publicly admitted it has to build a new home outside 20007. The problem is that there are probably only two 100 acre sites left inside the Beltway--Reservation 13 and the part of the St. Elizabeth's campus not taken by DHS. Each has long term opportunities but lots of short term headache, and the DC government would have to be 110% behind either project for it to proceed. All in all, by the mid-21st century, a graduate/medical campus along the Anacostia River at Stadium-Armory could be much more palatable than riding the Silver Line for 90 minutes to Leesburg or an hour on a MARC train to Frederick for a Georgetown education, because that's where much of the available land is right now. Waiting another ten years, it might not even be there, either. Two birds. One stone. Reservation 13. New Georgetown Campus. Redskins return to DC. Danny Boy builds a new football stadium. Hoya Football has a new home. Jennifer Altemus can suck it. Heck, make it three birds. New DC General. GU Med Center moves to new campus. Underserved DC population gets closer medical facility. Hopefully DeGoia has the stones (lack of misigivngs) to pull this off, stepping up where Father Leo did not.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 11, 2012 15:46:31 GMT -5
The Washington Informer article linked below indicates that Reservation 13 was rezoned in 2008 for academic or hospital use only. washingtoninformer.com/index.php/local/item/6317-reservation-13-the-debate-continuesYes, Dan Snyder has an eye on the RFK land as a site to rival the megastadium of his dreaded adversary, Jerry Jones. However, the Redskins' decision to play in Richmond for training camp is a sign that they can negotiate with the Old Dominion as well as the District when the subject comes up. The wildcard in this theory is MedStar. Clearly, a hospital built in 1947 on Reservoir Road is obsolete, but any efforts to build a new one on the current campus will be delayed by this campus plan. For MedStar to pack up and move to the hospital to the site of the former DC General Hospital will take lots of money--in this case, lots of DC money, for the hundreds of millions in city bonds needed to build a comprehensive hospital in Southeast. Obviously, any buildings Georgetown wants of its own for other programs of will cost lots of money too, which is why Capitol Crossing (which is privately financed) is an easier justification in the interim for offices and Continuing Studies growth. The space that could be opened up by the relocation of the hospital would be transformative, and the idea of a lots of open space around playing fields might be a means to win points with the neighbors too...except the ones that will criticize and beoman the loss of convenient hospital services in their neighborhood. There's only one certainty: if Georgetown wants to grow in the next 25 years, it won't be in Georgetown.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 12, 2012 13:10:39 GMT -5
Good thoughts, DFW. The undergrad cap was actually in the 2000-2010 campus plan and the effective number remains unchanged (although the way in which students are counted does, so the stated number is different). Also, realistically, there was never a chance that the courts would enforce a 100% on-campus requirement. However, years of litigation would have proven very costly in terms of money and, most importantly, time. The growth in graduate students is critical, especially with Regents Hall coming online. Per Todd Olson at the "tele-town hall" last night, the Leavey rooms will be like a "nicer Village C." Olson also promised that there would be extensive student involvement in the New South pub development throughout the process. I think the idea is to look at best practices and come up with something like The Cambridge Queen's Head Pub at Harvard. On the satellite campus, more discussion of this topic at georgetownmetropolitan.com/2012/06/12/100-acres-where/ and greatergreaterwashington.org/post/15167/where-will-georgetown-get-100-acres/ (same original post, but different fora for comments). The author mentions the Armed Forces Retirement Home, which I had in mind as well, although it may be a bit too close to Washington Hospital Center. The one point on which people appear to be saying very different things is how content MedStar is with the current location. Some are saying that they can't wait to move and find the facilities to be obsolete. Others say that GU is their most profitable campus in the area and they would be loath to move to another location (which would inevitably be in much lower-income surroundings), but see the writing on the wall that GU is going to kick the hospital out before too long and absorb the space into Main Campus. Whatever their true attitude is - and it may well be undecided or inconsistent - will probably have a significant impact on the direction this goes.
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Post by jgalt on Jun 12, 2012 17:39:56 GMT -5
Others say that GU is their most profitable campus in the area and they would be loath to move to another location (which would inevitably be in much lower-income surroundings), but see the writing on the wall that GU is going to kick the hospital out before too long and absorb the space into Main Campus. Hmm. Thats very interesting. I would love to see what the real numbers are on this. If I had to guess I would think that the majority of the difference comes from the Cancer center and other specialty services provided by the hospital. Would a different location significantly hurt those revenue streams?
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Post by jgalt on Jun 15, 2012 12:52:27 GMT -5
I dont think it really matters because the policy is just so unenforceable that I ever see it becoming an issue. University officials and DOPS have much better things to be doing than enforcing parking policies like this. Maybe a resident will complain and have very specific incident so the university will tell the student not to park in the neighborhood anymore. But I dont think we are going to see officers roaming the streets looking for students to bust.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Jun 15, 2012 19:01:12 GMT -5
University officials and DOPS have much better things to be doing than enforcing parking policies like this.... But I dont think we are going to see officers roaming the streets looking for students to bust. They DO have "much better things to do," like canvassing the area for negative results. But you'd be surprised how many officers would rather roam the streets looking for students to bust.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jun 29, 2012 22:09:56 GMT -5
How in the world did St. Patrick's Episcopal School (which doesn't even go past middle school) manage to secure that huge chunk of land in the new development off of Foxhall and Georgetown couldn't?
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 29, 2012 22:59:27 GMT -5
How in the world did St. Patrick's Episcopal School (which doesn't even go past middle school) manage to secure that huge chunk of land in the new development off of Foxhall and Georgetown couldn't? Well, put yourself into the mindset of your average Foxhall resident. St. Patrick's - Brand new low-rise school full of young, affluent, overwhelmingly Caucasian children. Possibly a very convenient place to send your own kids. Georgetown - Tall and land-intensive (because the school's space crunch requires maximizing space as much as possible) structures bringing with them loud, drunk 18-22 year olds, a horde of employees, loud and ugly shuttle buses (Foxhall is the most heavily trafficked road in the District that lacks any sort of public bus route - that's not an accident), etc. etc. Which one do you think is going to have an easier time getting all the necessary approvals? Oh, also, the campus plan agreement prohibits the University from building any new housing in 20007 that is not inside the main gates, so this location could not be used to house any students regardless. And that's a compromise - initially, the neighbors were calling for a prohibition on the University buying any property in 20007. So yea, chances of being able to exploit this plot of land was zero.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jun 29, 2012 23:02:14 GMT -5
How in the world did St. Patrick's Episcopal School (which doesn't even go past middle school) manage to secure that huge chunk of land in the new development off of Foxhall and Georgetown couldn't? Well, put yourself into the mindset of your average Foxhall resident. St. Patrick's - Brand new low-rise school full of young, affluent, overwhelmingly Caucasian children. Possibly a very convenient place to send your own kids. Georgetown - Tall and land-intensive (because the school's space crunch requires maximizing space as much as possible) structures bringing with them loud, drunk 18-22 year olds, a horde of employees, loud and ugly shuttle buses (Foxhall is the most heavily trafficked road in the District that lacks any sort of public bus route - that's not an accident), etc. etc. Which one do you think is going to have an easier time getting all the necessary approvals? Oh, also, the campus plan agreement prohibits the University from building any new housing in 20007 that is not inside the main gates, so this location could not be used to house any students regardless. And that's a compromise - initially, the neighbors were calling for a prohibition on the University buying any property in 20007. So yea, chances of being able to exploit this plot of land was zero. I meant as a potential off campus athletics site. Practice fields and the like. Kind of like how GW has used some of the Mount Vernon campus. Not to mention, St. Patrick's existing campus is already right down the street, so neighbors who might want their own kid to go there don't really have an interest in the move.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 29, 2012 23:16:29 GMT -5
The new campus will have a high school. Also, some of the property will be developed as high-end single family housing, further increasing property values. Athletic fields bring little to no value to the neighbors, and they certainly don't want students coming en masse to attend games. Mount Vernon is a different animal, since it was all one piece and came about in a different political and regulatory environment. Also, no one attends GW sporting events not at the Smith Center.
As for how the school got the property...
Across the summer of 2005, the Friends of St. Patrick's Episcopal Day School, LLC, a private entity made up of a group of Day School parents who purchased the 1801 Foxhall property, donated approximately eight acres of the land to St. Patrick’s Episcopal Church and Day School for possible school expansion. Even before the donation was made, the Friends of St. Patrick's - working closely with the Day School administration and a team of consultants - invested a great deal of time and resources into carefully crafted plans for the site.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 18, 2012 14:17:57 GMT -5
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Post by hoyatables on Jul 19, 2012 11:25:16 GMT -5
Yep, it's approved. Finally. Now the real work begins.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 19, 2012 12:16:17 GMT -5
Yep, it's approved. Finally. Now the real work begins. And in something that got little atention in the media or through the residents, Georgetown now has the authority to add onto the Leavey Center Hotel...er, dorm, without further approvals. The little used "esplanade" won't be around much longer if Leavey is repositioned as a series of 200-bed dorms. (So why do I think someone will use this as an justification to delay the MSF once again?) blog.georgetownvoice.com/2012/07/19/how-the-leavey-center-will-become-a-spacious-village-c/#more-39820
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Post by thebin on Jul 19, 2012 12:36:59 GMT -5
I actually got optomistic to see you mention the possible "delay to the MSF once again" as I assumed the project was totally dead in the water by now. Oh how we lower our standards.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Jul 19, 2012 12:50:17 GMT -5
The esplanade is not "little used". It's used as an event space throughout the year. I imagine a lot of the stuff usually held there will get moved to the new patio area between Leavey and Hariri.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 19, 2012 13:13:17 GMT -5
The esplanade is not "little used". It's used as an event space throughout the year. I imagine a lot of the stuff usually held there will get moved to the new patio area between Leavey and Hariri. "Little used" was a comparison to what it was originally sold as when constructed, which was to become a veritable Healy Lawn for that part of campus, a combined study/patio/recreation area that would draw as many students on an average day as the baseball hill did. Instead, it's the roof of a parking garage and students don't flock to it.
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Post by hoyatables on Jul 19, 2012 13:55:54 GMT -5
The addition won't eliminate the Esplanade. Leavey will be expanded to the east of the existing hotel tower (towards the student affairs tower) and over the bookstore addition.
If anything, this will INCREASE use of the Esplanade, which will become the front yard for a couple of hundred students.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Jul 19, 2012 20:13:03 GMT -5
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