RDF
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Post by RDF on Mar 8, 2012 0:28:40 GMT -5
Loved Don Reid as well but for those old enough to remember--he would pick up fouls faster then I p-i-s-s people off. Don't exaggerate. You know what bothers you Ed--you hate my guts and still read the stuff I write. Just can't stand that can you? You sick old bastard. ;D
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Air Jordan
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Post by Air Jordan on Mar 8, 2012 8:48:16 GMT -5
I remember the Florida State game in the NCAA Tourney, when Zo fouled out, in came Don Reid, I started crying because I knew the Hoyas season was over.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 8, 2012 13:26:16 GMT -5
You know what bothers you Ed--you hate my guts and still read the stuff I write. Just can't stand that can you? You sick old bastard. ;D RDF, you'll stoop to anything.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 8, 2012 17:24:42 GMT -5
today was a perfect example of how this team needs a pg that can handle man pressure and create off the dribble without wetting himself and turning the ball over.
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alleninxis
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 8, 2012 17:31:14 GMT -5
If anyone thinks we don't need a PG to make life easier on this team and how they score the ball, they're blind.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Mar 8, 2012 18:04:57 GMT -5
agreed with the need for a true PG dont agree with any of the negative recruiting talks. I recognize some names on this thread that were up in arms when we lost Roscoe Smith and Rakeem Christmas and were stuck with GWinn and Otto. (watched those guys play today- not impressed) Trust in the coaching staff and their abilities to recruit players that fit the system.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 8, 2012 18:24:18 GMT -5
where are the 3 stars who develop late and are solid college guys? where is an aaron craft? we need a guard who can get places on the floor with the ball/defend/etc forget all these 5 star pgs they aren't coming here. front court players...aim for the moon...not saying don't recruit them, just don't go all or nothin on them
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Mar 8, 2012 20:45:46 GMT -5
You know what bothers you Ed--you hate my guts and still read the stuff I write. Just can't stand that can you? You sick old bastard. ;D RDF, you'll stoop to anything. So you disagree with my analysis of the situation? If you hate me/what I say--that ignore button works fine. Just find it hilarious how many people get that upset at me but enjoy reading it so they can come at me/insult me. It's truly fun. I enjoy stirring it up and being the irritant for some of you guys and it's so EASY to upset you too. ;D
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 8, 2012 20:46:27 GMT -5
i think markel is that guy H.A.H.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Mar 8, 2012 20:48:19 GMT -5
where are the 3 stars who develop late and are solid college guys? where is an aaron craft? we need a guard who can get places on the floor with the ball/defend/etc forget all these 5 star pgs they aren't coming here. front court players...aim for the moon...not saying don't recruit them, just don't go all or nothin on them Point that was trying to be made before was you will never get a PG to come to Georgetown as long as the "system" is in place. Hoyas never have either--they have had combos come but never a true PG because they don't fit what the "system" wants from guard position. III values shooters over ball handlers at that position and he values shooting over athleticism/speed. So your guys who need to be developed will be bypassed for a slower guy who can shoot or a combo who doesn't handle the ball as well but is bigger. Developmental PG are no different then real PG's-they still want to handle the ball and run a team.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 8, 2012 22:36:32 GMT -5
You are wrong.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 8, 2012 23:34:08 GMT -5
Not sure about a true PG never coming to Georgetown with the system in place, but the facts speak louder than conjecture. JT3 has not had a true PG other than Wallace come during his seven years. I think it just is a matter of priorities. It seems that he looks for guards that can shoot the 3pt shot first. I agree that the elite PG that can shoot the 3 and penetrate will be gobbled up by the Dukes, Kentuckys etc, but there are plenty of Joey Browns out there who just want a chance to play on a major D1 team. III was a forward his top recruiter Kirby is a "big man" coach so who is ouit there looking for that PG that can put this team on another level. When III first got to Georgetown the announcers said that his system was "Princeton on Steroids". That was used to describe III's teams because they envisioned "complete basketball players(athletic, can shoot, can handle with both hands, can defend and rebound) running a complicated system. So far that complete guard has not been landed by JT3 yet.
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 8, 2012 23:48:36 GMT -5
OHF, you aren't really suggesting we should aspire to another Joey Brown are you? Great kid. Gave his all. Not very talented.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2012 6:34:15 GMT -5
We just need Greg Whittington to become Magic Johnson over the summer… booom.. problem solved…
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 9, 2012 8:37:39 GMT -5
We just need Greg Whittington to become Magic Johnson over the summer… booom.. problem solved… blueprint lol
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 9, 2012 9:43:17 GMT -5
Not sure about a true PG never coming to Georgetown with the system in place, but the facts speak louder than conjecture. JT3 has not had a true PG other than Wallace come during his seven years. I think it just is a matter of priorities. 1) Wallace was not a true point guard. Couldn't create for others, didn't do the majority of the ball handling during his minutes on the floor. 2)Wallace didn't have that many D1 offers and at first was headed to Princeton until III took the job at Georgetown.
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 9, 2012 10:01:05 GMT -5
I think they can get a PG. Sure if they try to land a kid that is coveted by everyone by their SO year it's not happening..but if you do a good job evaluating talent and get in early on a kid that has a chance to blossom, it can happen. (cough* Semaj Christon *cough). Once you get a kid like that you have to play to their strengths and let them go make plays and make life easier on everyone.
Now, if we want in on the elite ones from the jump, the system would have to go.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 9, 2012 10:02:26 GMT -5
I didn't see the guard play as the problem. Missed FT's and an unfortunate elbow to the face turned that game. 12 turnovers in the 2nd half. A lot of those were on craptastic entry passes or fumbled balls. We just didn't close and for a young team that isn't terribly surprising. Get to the round of 16 and all is forgotten.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 9, 2012 15:49:39 GMT -5
I didn't see the guard play as the problem. Missed FT's and an unfortunate elbow to the face turned that game. 12 turnovers in the 2nd half. A lot of those were on craptastic entry passes or fumbled balls. We just didn't close and for a young team that isn't terribly surprising. Get to the round of 16 and all is forgotten. Many of the "craptastic entry passes" were caused by the guards getting the ball out of their hands as fast as they could because they were afraid to try to penetrate the perimeter with the dribble. I remember at about the 6 minute mark in the 2nd half and the Hoyas up about 7, Cincy players looked as though they were about to quit and then they decided to play the guards tight and jump the passing lanes and I could literally see the fear in the guards watching it on the TV and I know Cincy players could see it too. It was down hill after that with Hollis dribbling ball off his behind then his foot in successive drives to the basket.. Missed FT were important but the lack of a guard that could get into middle with the dribble was more important. I don't remember Gates doing any dribble drives to get his points down the stretch. He was consistently setup for easy dunk or layup by a penetrating guard. The Hoyas just do not have one with the confidence to consistently try to penetrate. Clark does dribble drive sometimes but it is to score most of the times and not to move the defense in order to drop a pass to big men under the basket.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 9, 2012 16:53:42 GMT -5
RDF, you'll stoop to anything. So you disagree with my analysis of the situation? If you hate me/what I say--that ignore button works fine. Just find it hilarious how many people get that upset at me but enjoy reading it so they can come at me/insult me. It's truly fun. I enjoy stirring it up and being the irritant for some of you guys and it's so EASY to upset you too. ;D For the record, RDF, this is the direct quote that led you to call me an old bastard. You: Loved Don Reid as well but for those old enough to remember--he would pick up fouls faster then I p-i-s-s people off. Me: Don't exaggerate." If that make you go off like you did, maybe you need to hit the ignore button. For the record, I do not dislike you. In fact I read what you say because you are very informed. You have a great deal to offer to this board. What I don't like is your seeming belief that you know more than anyone else (including the coaching staff) and anyone who does not agree with you does not know basketball.
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