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Post by hoyas big supporter on Sept 29, 2012 22:09:00 GMT -5
I agree with what you're saying but I mean I think his game is a tiny bit more than just dunking right now (from clips he's shown me more touch and bucket awareness than Thabeet). So it's not to say that those things can't come easily to him. I think we should wait to see if JW pops. And if he does then great I'm all for it. I know it's against board rules but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to see three open spots next year (one early departure, one illness/injury departure, and one transfer if needed). If that is the case, then I think this guys should be next on the list. Really the biggest reason I'd like to see us get him is to see what he can do defensively. We all know how valuable Roy was to our defense, I just think this guy has the potential to control much of what goes on in the paint and dominate defensively by the simple virtue of being that big and reasonably coordinated. Plus, I bet you we would be able to use him in spurts early on in his career to have him shut down many opposing centers. I'm not saying he will be an immediate defensive stopper or that I don't have faith in our current guys, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable if we had him to help slow down the likes of Zeller, Young, Maymon, Parker, Smith, the Wears, and Austin (not to mention Benimonster  ) that we will be playing in the next few months. |
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Post by jsk793 on Sept 29, 2012 22:19:10 GMT -5
Keep in mind the competition he is playing when he makes those "moves". Granted the big east won't be what it was were he to committ, but he would still need a ton of seasoning and work to be able to be effective in an offense. I agree he could be a stud on defense, but he needs work to do there to. I mean of thoses guys you mention, a few of them could easily take him off the dribble from the top of the key. (also the wears suck.) But I will say it again, I would be fine taking a chance on him, you cant teach size. JWIII is supposed to announce on october 18, so we will see what happens with him. Also, we will see what JTIII does with kenedy meeks recruitment
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 30, 2012 19:30:17 GMT -5
There's no problem with taking a project--as mentioned, you're only gonna play between 8 and 10, and you have 13 scholarships. So having a couple of high-potential guys at the end of the bench at any given time is no problem. If they pan out great and if they don't there isn't much lost. At 7'5 N'Diaye is definitely a high-potential project.
The problem is, we've already got several other guys on the team who were brought in under similar pretenses. When we got Moses, he was billed as a very athletic big with great shot blocking instinct who needed a lot of work on his basketball skills. When Bolden was brought in, we said a lot of the same things--athletic big with potential who needs to build his skills. And with Hayes, pretty much the same thing. So really, I think we're pretty close to our quota for project bigs. When you add in the fact that Tyler Adams is still on scholarship, we've got 4 scholarships allocated to centers who have yet to show a thing on the court at the college level. Much as I think N'Diaye is an intriguing prospect, I'm hesitant to spend a scholarship on a guy who probably wouldn't see the court for a couple years, if ever. If we're very confident that one or two out of Moses/Adams/Bolden/Hayes is going to be ready to be a significant contributor at the Big East level in the very near future, I'm OK with N'Diaye... If we land him, I'll assume that's what III is thinking. Otherwise, if those guys are all the projects that they seem to be on the surface, I think it might be better to spend the scholarship on somebody who can come in and help right away and we can focus on cultivating skills in some of the guys already on the roster for a few years down the line.
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Post by calhoya on Sept 30, 2012 20:53:43 GMT -5
There's no problem with taking a project--as mentioned, you're only gonna play between 8 and 10, and you have 13 scholarships. So having a couple of high-potential guys at the end of the bench at any given time is no problem. If they pan out great and if they don't there isn't much lost. At 7'5 N'Diaye is definitely a high-potential project. The problem is, we've already got several other guys on the team who were brought in under similar pretenses. When we got Moses, he was billed as a very athletic big with great shot blocking instinct who needed a lot of work on his basketball skills. When Bolden was brought in, we said a lot of the same things--athletic big with potential who needs to build his skills. And with Hayes, pretty much the same thing. So really, I think we're pretty close to our quota for project bigs. When you add in the fact that Tyler Adams is still on scholarship, we've got 4 scholarships allocated to centers who have yet to show a thing on the court at the college level. Much as I think N'Diaye is an intriguing prospect, I'm hesitant to spend a scholarship on a guy who probably wouldn't see the court for a couple years, if ever. If we're very confident that one or two out of Moses/Adams/Bolden/Hayes is going to be ready to be a significant contributor at the Big East level in the very near future, I'm OK with N'Diaye... If we land him, I'll assume that's what III is thinking. Otherwise, if those guys are all the projects that they seem to be on the surface, I think it might be better to spend the scholarship on somebody who can come in and help right away and we can focus on cultivating skills in some of the guys already on the roster for a few years down the line. I tend to trust the coaches on recruiting but you make a very valid point. None of the bigs on the roster are ready for prime time yet. |
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 30, 2012 22:05:37 GMT -5
I believe Hayes and Moses will both get minutes this year and a 7'5" guy is gonna play also. Project or not. By the time we reach BE play Ndiaye would have shown us something. Something good or something bad............
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Post by idhoya on Sept 30, 2012 22:18:31 GMT -5
Thabeet brought another dimension to Uconn. This guy can do the same thing. He doesn't have to be Ewing
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 30, 2012 22:23:02 GMT -5
Agree id.
I also think a lot of people are underestimating what Hop is going to bring to the table this year.
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Post by RDF on Sept 30, 2012 23:47:34 GMT -5
Thabeet brought another dimension to Uconn. This guy can do the same thing. He doesn't have to be Ewing True-but I'd say if you get N'diaye--he'd be most ideal to utilize on the block and in the paint on both ends, as he'd be able to open court up for shooters who aren't fastest personnel but are good shooters. So that means you get him-don't want to see him 20 feet from basket up top or hedging and getting cheap fouls 20 feet on other end. Let him protect the rim and do what he does effectively. Would that happen? He moves better then you expect, and he would compliment the personnel that Georgetown is putting together on perimeter, and aid them on defensive end. That's if he's used as a true Center and not flexing out all over the court. Rather see Hopkins do that type of thing then a 7'5 kid. |
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Oct 1, 2012 9:00:29 GMT -5
Thabeet brought another dimension to Uconn. This guy can do the same thing. He doesn't have to be Ewing True-but I'd say if you get N'diaye--he'd be most ideal to utilize on the block and in the paint on both ends, as he'd be able to open court up for shooters who aren't fastest personnel but are good shooters. So that means you get him-don't want to see him 20 feet from basket up top or hedging and getting cheap fouls 20 feet on other end. Let him protect the rim and do what he does effectively. Would that happen? He moves better then you expect, and he would compliment the personnel that Georgetown is putting together on perimeter, and aid them on defensive end. That's if he's used as a true Center and not flexing out all over the court. Rather see Hopkins do that type of thing then a 7'5 kid. Well, duh. |
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Post by RDF on Oct 1, 2012 9:33:32 GMT -5
True-but I'd say if you get N'diaye--he'd be most ideal to utilize on the block and in the paint on both ends, as he'd be able to open court up for shooters who aren't fastest personnel but are good shooters. So that means you get him-don't want to see him 20 feet from basket up top or hedging and getting cheap fouls 20 feet on other end. Let him protect the rim and do what he does effectively. Would that happen? He moves better then you expect, and he would compliment the personnel that Georgetown is putting together on perimeter, and aid them on defensive end. That's if he's used as a true Center and not flexing out all over the court. Rather see Hopkins do that type of thing then a 7'5 kid. Well, duh. When has Georgetown adapted to fit their personnel? That's the point. If you are going to be a System program--then you recruit to it. If you want a 7'5 kid, then he needs to be utilized like it--not as part of the system where he's playing 20 feet from the basket. |
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Oct 1, 2012 9:41:17 GMT -5
When has Georgetown adapted to fit their personnel? That's the point. If you are going to be a System program--then you recruit to it. If you want a 7'5 kid, then he needs to be utilized like it--not as part of the system where he's playing 20 feet from the basket. Well they did just fine managing a 7'2" Roy. And who's to say thats not exactly what they are planning on doing with the recruitment of N'Diaye? WHo says they're going to let him be 20 feet from the basket at all? Oh yeah, you. Thats who. We dont have him, and him being on the court for us hasn't happened yet. So we have no idea what the staff will do. You can say they dont adapt all you want, but unless you're a coach in those meeting rooms going over game plans you have no idea what they try to do. Its all subjective. I have seen an effort from the staff to play to certain players' strengths, I'm not going to argue with you if you choose not to see it. Adapting to different personnel doesn't necessarily mean scrapping everything that came before. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 1, 2012 10:26:40 GMT -5
His list is really weird and that's concerning to me. also apparently there's questions about him being eligible academically. If his folks care about education and would prefer he be on the west coast as they've said where's Cal or Stanford, or UCLA or USC on his list?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 1, 2012 10:45:05 GMT -5
If he's not a complete stiff, aka, Kickingstallionsims, in terms of movement, 7'5" is a gamechanger. I don't ever care about competence on offense. If he can defend and board, someone that height can completely define a defense and in a good way. Opponents simply cannot come inside and score efficiently, no matter how talented they are.
But that's all contingent on being as quick and smart as Roy. Roy wasn't lightning fast, but he was quick enough and smart enough to stay out of foul trouble, to not jump too much, etc.
I'm not able to tell that from the video, but it is one of those things where if he works hard and has the basic ability, it's definitely worth a flyer.
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Post by nychoya3 on Oct 1, 2012 11:08:30 GMT -5
Oh man, I hadn't thought about Chief Kickinstallionsims in years. Even Chief was able to block 3 shots a game in 20 minutes as a senior and he was AWFUL. Not to mention he's four inches shorter than Mamadou, which is like the difference between Jabril and Mikael Hopkins.
Like you said, even if he is never able to play more than a 20 minutes a game, a dude that big standing in the lane with his arms up completely changes the game for the other team.
One thing you do take on with him though is a higher probability of injury than with your average player. Roy was able to stay healthy throughout his career, but in HS he missed a lot of time with foot problems. Not atypical for guys over 7 feet tall to be fragile physically.
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Post by RDF on Oct 1, 2012 11:11:59 GMT -5
When has Georgetown adapted to fit their personnel? That's the point. If you are going to be a System program--then you recruit to it. If you want a 7'5 kid, then he needs to be utilized like it--not as part of the system where he's playing 20 feet from the basket. Well they did just fine managing a 7'2" Roy. And who's to say thats not exactly what they are planning on doing with the recruitment of N'Diaye? WHo says they're going to let him be 20 feet from the basket at all? Oh yeah, you. Thats who. We dont have him, and him being on the court for us hasn't happened yet. So we have no idea what the staff will do. You can say they dont adapt all you want, but unless you're a coach in those meeting rooms going over game plans you have no idea what they try to do. Its all subjective. I have seen an effort from the staff to play to certain players' strengths, I'm not going to argue with you if you choose not to see it. Adapting to different personnel doesn't necessarily mean scrapping everything that came before. It's not a criticism to call Georgetown a "system" program. Most programs have a way they play and recruit to it--just harder to do that when you have a style of play that eliminates a lot of players from fitting in due to de-value of a position or the skill set you value at certain spots over other schools. For instance/speed and athleticism don't matter to Georgetown in recruiting. Point Guards don't matter. Bigs who are low post players--not as important as face up guys. They don't gameplan as much as "worry about us". Which is fine as long as you recruit to the model--they went away from it--and results were average. They went back to it--and last year you saw the improvement. Comparing N'Diaye to Hibbert is an insult to Hibbert's skill set coming out of HS. If you remember III mentioned he wouldn't have recruited a kid like Hibbert initially and he was glad he was wrong. Hibbert is exactly the type of big who fits Georgetown style of play--he could shoot the ball and pass and had high IQ. That is type of big you want--N'Diaye is not going to be effective 20 feet from basket. And if you have 7'0 people--who can score on block, why would you want to waste time with them at high post? Get their ass on block and play off them. Without getting off topic, we'll agree to disagree about gameplans for opponents or altering how they play to fit the talent they have. |
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Post by geedell on Oct 1, 2012 14:48:07 GMT -5
I don't trust this...not on board with it.
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Post by Ottomatic on Oct 1, 2012 14:59:16 GMT -5
I don't know if III purposely "went away from it." Julian was a transfer not a recruit for the period between Greg and Henry.
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Post by prhoya on Oct 1, 2012 15:01:59 GMT -5
N'Diaye is not going to be effective 20 feet from basket. And if you have 7'0 people--who can score on block, why would you want to waste time with them at high post? Although a 7'5" player with a better-than-average 5' faceup shot would be great to watch. |
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 25, 2012 5:47:25 GMT -5
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) that we will be playing in the next few months. 
