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Post by williambraskyiii on Jan 20, 2012 10:44:08 GMT -5
I agree comparing Jenkins to Scott and Barkley is a stretch at this point, but it is more descriptive of the type of game Jenkins has than a prediction that he will be one of the top 50 NBA players of all time (just like comparing Aquille Carr to Mugsy or Spud). I watched him go inside and out at will against the team from Chicago and mostly outside at will against Patterson - the No 1 team in Bmore (which he won at the buzzer with a three). His passing and movement w/o the ball to give himself opportunities is excellent as is his rebounding. His defense is suprisingly good given his size and the fact that he is not the fleetest of foot. Although his speed and height are admittedly less than classic, the point is that a non classic combo Barkley/Scott inside/out type game can work well, even if Jenkins will never be Scottie Pippen, the classic 3 or Kevin Garnett, the classic 4. Also, 3 teams in the top 10 HS nationally this year (even without Oak Hill) and the DMV cant get any respect from RDF?? In addition to 3 of the starting Hoyas, incl our best player by far, recent DMV includes Oladipo at Indiana, Marshall at UNC, Robinson at Kansas, Roscoe Smith at U Conn, McGruder at K State, Thorton and Hairston at Duke, Atkins and Grant at ND, half of the U Md squad, CJ Fair and Joseph at Syacuse - OK Joseph only played 2 years in the WCAC -but I am guessing that is 2 more than RDF played. That's a pretty impressive group. Fact is the DMV is still one of the best in the country. Jenkins is one of the best in the DMV. He's a get if possible (so is BJ Anya - another 2013 DMV boy that will make waves at Georgetown or elsewhere). If you read RDF's post, he focuses on this year and last year's players in the DMV. It seems like virtually everyone you cited in the above post is 2010 or earlier. Also, citing "half of the U Md squad" as a basis for arguing about the high quality of the DMV is comical.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 20, 2012 10:55:26 GMT -5
We're talking about a kid that's not even listing Hoyas and it seems GU has not been very active in his recruitment.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 20, 2012 11:27:04 GMT -5
I'd prefer a more explosive 5 than Anya or Meeks. Noel should be target #1. I think everybody prefers Noel but it's probably a good idea to have a plan B
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 20, 2012 11:50:00 GMT -5
Yeah hsb is either a Gonzaga guy or a member of the Jenkins family. I mean, Dennis Scott/Charles Barkley combo? Why not a Ray Allen/Dwight Howard combo while were tossing out hyperbole? And citing the ESPN rankings? Ummm...Pollard is the #20 player in the country in their rankings, while Jenkins is 30th...at his position.
And just to clarify, I think Jenkins is a good player. He may not have a prototypical skill set for his position, but he is very talented. He's just not a "must get" or even a "pursue" for the Hoyas at this point because of his shortcomings (both when it comes to his body composition and his game). He'd obviously be a better last minute pickup than a guy like Benimon, but I don't think he'll stay on the market that long, nor do I think we'll need a last minute guy with our scholarship numbers for 2013 and the guys we're pursuing now.
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Post by hsb on Jan 20, 2012 23:30:59 GMT -5
It's not complicated Dog. If you've seen him play, you'd know that he is an undersized banger and rebounder w/ good ups for his size, who has great hands and is very strong in the paint (ala Charles, not Dwight). . . In fact he shut down Jahlil Okafor (listed at 6'9" - 270 lbs - No 3 in 2014) when Gonzaga beat em a few weeks ago.
He can also step out and hit the three consistently despite his size (ala Scott) and carries a little more girth and a little less foot speed than one is used to seeing on the perimeter in a knock down shooter (again ala Scott not Ray).
No one is a "must get" - but I have watched a lot of high school hoops in my time and I have not seen many more dominant hs players, especially with his unique skill set . . . and he is a 2013.
He's a big reason why Gonzaga is ranked No 6 in the US (Monrose Christian is No 7, DeMatha was No 5). . .although perhaps you'd say the US is down this year as well as the DMV.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 20, 2012 23:41:45 GMT -5
Noel, maybe not a must get, but is a missing piece
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Post by ZagHoya04 on Jan 21, 2012 22:17:28 GMT -5
Admitted Gonzaga homer here but FWIW Kris Jenkins single-handledly beat DeMatha tonight at AU, in a game that eerily resembled our finish against Rutgers. Granted Gonzaga took about 12 min to match our FG output, and led by as much as 17 down the stretch, but it took free throws to break a 74 all tie with 1 second left in the game. Jenkins went off for 27 points on 6 threes, but was hitting from all over the court with very few misses. He stepped up big with Nate Britt in street clothes again, and put the team on his back against their biggest rival. Very much a tweener body but seems like he could be a special kid. Per Josh Barr Xavier's coach was in attendance and liked what he saw, and i saw it reported that Villanova and Clemson have expressed interest. The rematch is on ESPN2 on February 10th, so it will be interesting to see how He is affected by Britt's return.
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Post by hsb on Jan 22, 2012 21:37:25 GMT -5
I am not a Gonzaga homer but I am an admitted DMV homer. Nonetheless, I know a big time player when I see one. Jenkins is a big time player.
I was at the Gonzaga Dematha game. Not only did Jenkins score from all over the court, but he played shut down D on BJ Anya who only scored 6 points. Of Course, De Matha guards dont get BJ the ball but still crazy for Jenkins to play 2/3 on offense and 5 on defense.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 23, 2012 0:13:14 GMT -5
I am not a Gonzaga homer but I am an admitted DMV homer. Nonetheless, I know a big time player when I see one. Jenkins is a big time player. I was at the Gonzaga Dematha game. Not only did Jenkins score from all over the court, but he played shut down D on BJ Anya who only scored 6 points. Of Course, De Matha guards dont get BJ the ball but still crazy for Jenkins to play 2/3 on offense and 5 on defense. Too bad the big time coaches who have big time players on their rosters already and are recruiting more don't think of Jenkins as a big time player. You're not going to fool anyone by saying you're not a Gonzaga homer.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Jan 23, 2012 9:09:16 GMT -5
I am not a Gonzaga homer but I am an admitted DMV homer. Nonetheless, I know a big time player when I see one. Jenkins is a big time player. I was at the Gonzaga Dematha game. Not only did Jenkins score from all over the court, but he played shut down D on BJ Anya who only scored 6 points. Of Course, De Matha guards dont get BJ the ball but still crazy for Jenkins to play 2/3 on offense and 5 on defense. Too bad the big time coaches who have big time players on their rosters already and are recruiting more don't think of Jenkins as a big time player. You're not going to fool anyone by saying you're not a Gonzaga homer. Kid is still a junor....that could have a lot to do with it dont you think? I mean im no jenkins fan but there is still plenty of time left in the recruiting process.
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Jan 23, 2012 9:57:31 GMT -5
Jenkins can play. While he doesn't have a natural position and needs to lose some weight to become an effective college two, its time to realize that the question is, "Would we rather have him on our team or face him in Big East play?" I know I'd rather have him playing for us than against us.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 23, 2012 11:06:02 GMT -5
Too bad the big time coaches who have big time players on their rosters already and are recruiting more don't think of Jenkins as a big time player. You're not going to fool anyone by saying you're not a Gonzaga homer. Kid is still a junor....that could have a lot to do with it dont you think? I mean im no jenkins fan but there is still plenty of time left in the recruiting process. I'm just countering hsb's irrational exuberance for a kid from his school. If you read my earlier posts, I think the kid is a player, just not a high-major guy.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 23, 2012 11:21:07 GMT -5
Jenkins can play. While he doesn't have a natural position and needs to lose some weight to become an effective college two, its time to realize that the question is, "Would we rather have him on our team or face him in Big East play?" I know I'd rather have him playing for us than against us. You also have to ask the question "would we rather have him or another player who is also interested in Georgetown", especially considering our limited scholarship situation.
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Post by hsb on Jan 23, 2012 14:18:41 GMT -5
Kinda weird to see a Hoyas fan dogging the DMV when the Hoyas have - and have had - so many great players from the DMV. Where are you from Dog? Syracuse?
Nothing irrational about this - Jenkins completely outplayed a kid (BJ - No 37 ESPN 2013) who has offers from everywhere, incl Gtown, and completely outplayed a Syracuse bound 3/4 (Grant - No 43 ESPN 2012), . . .that should be - and is - big time whether he becomes a Hoya or not.
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Post by RDF on Jan 23, 2012 14:31:27 GMT -5
HSB, how can you ignore reality? Didn't you give me crap for saying Anya and DeMatha were vastly overrated last week? I'd say that Jenkins performance against DeMatha actually supports my claim more then Jenkins being "Dennis Scott or Charles Barkley" and you continue to used analogies of Scott in his NBA career as the "haters". Scott was HS POY and considered the #1 recruit in country by many publications--and Georgetown did recruit him. He was also 6'8--and could play SF or SG. When he got heavy-it hurt him because of his position. Hating the DMV isn't what is happening-it's called wanting the best players you can get and how they fit in the program. A bunch of people want BJ Anya--I wouldn't recruit him at all. I think the guy is awful in all honesty. He's got stone hands, can't finish near hoop, and is intimidated by anyone who is 6'5 or taller. He can't face up and for a PF/C in this offense-you have to possess that ability. James Robinson was supposed to be great. How's that turned out? Average player going to a program who likes average guards. Jerami Grant picked right program for him--but he's not an elite player--he's a guy who needs to develop. After that, Dematha has? If DMV has more Whittington like prospects--6'8 and multi skilled who enjoy playing DEFENSE, let me know about them.
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Post by tonyparker on Jan 23, 2012 17:28:34 GMT -5
Look, Kris Jenkins also outplayed local board favorite Ricardo Gathers two weeks ago, giving him 30 in a national tournament. He's taking on all comers and killing people this season. National scouts like Dave Telep have taken notice. He's going to have big time offers coming his way in no time, as long as Britt stays sidelined and he remains Gonzaga's primary scorer.
My biggest problem with Jenkins is his body. Kid is a player but needs to get into basketball shape. If he showed just a little bit more consideration for his body - he's a high major starter no doubt.
Nevertheless, he's probably never going to be a Hoya because he is a DC Assault kid so that is why I'm not going to sweat his recruitment too much.
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Post by ZagHoya04 on Jan 23, 2012 23:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by tonyparker on Jan 25, 2012 13:16:54 GMT -5
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Post by idhoya on Jan 25, 2012 15:24:04 GMT -5
he's definitely trending upward
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Post by RDF on Jan 25, 2012 15:30:15 GMT -5
Hoyas need to be really careful with recruiting. Let's put it this way--what about this year's team stands out? Versatile guys who are long/athletic, interchangeable, and defend. Now look at some of the names popping up--Tony Parker, Kennedy Meeks, DSR, Kris Jenkins, BJ Anya, and they are opposite. You have slow footed/heavy kids, who are limited in where they can play on court, and some are just flat out defensive liabilities. A kid like Anya struggles to catch passes and finish against people 6'5 or taller. He can't face up and doesn't possess skill. Jenkins is a tweener. DSR isn't a point--he's a stocky 2G. Parker is a flaky one end of the court player. Meeks is too fat and liability on defense.
Realize it's not a done deal with anyone--but you can't deny what has worked for the program and what hasn't. The type of players I want Hoyas to land are Devonta Pollard end of spectrum body wise/skill wise and if it's not him--be along those lines. Really be a huge leap backwards to get too many of the "chunky bunch".
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