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Post by grandmahoya on May 14, 2015 9:39:41 GMT -5
Thought the officiating in game five at the Hawks was very one-sided. The Wizard players were getting mauled and bumped with the blocks, and the calls against the Hawks were very limited or not at all. Heartbreaking loss with Pierce's shot with 8.1 seconds left. Wall was courageous, and hopefully with 2 days rest he can lead the Wizards to a victory and tie the series Friday night.
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 14, 2015 10:48:18 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 14, 2015 15:25:00 GMT -5
Have to say I am really bummed about Jeff Green's play this year. He was given a real nice opportunity to become a difference-maker to a very good team, and he just doesn't seem to be getting it done. Seems kinda lost out there half the time, is not aggressive, and his 3-point shooting is just awful. Love him - classy guy, great Hoya - but have to admit that he is just not going to live up to his expectations as a pro. The sample is large enough now. I think Jeff gets a pass for this season - hard to smoothly transition onto a team in mid season, especially a team with established stars, and more so with a guy like JG who has a somewhat reserved personality that suggests deference to the established stars. Let's see what next year brings.
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Post by rockhoya on May 14, 2015 23:09:21 GMT -5
Have to say I am really bummed about Jeff Green's play this year. He was given a real nice opportunity to become a difference-maker to a very good team, and he just doesn't seem to be getting it done. Seems kinda lost out there half the time, is not aggressive, and his 3-point shooting is just awful. Love him - classy guy, great Hoya - but have to admit that he is just not going to live up to his expectations as a pro. The sample is large enough now. I think Jeff gets a pass for this season - hard to smoothly transition onto a team in mid season, especially a team with established stars, and more so with a guy like JG who has a somewhat reserved personality that suggests deference to the established stars. Let's see what next year brings. This. What an arbitrary point to declare his body of work was substantial enough - half a season with a new team in a new conference, huh?
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Post by hoyarad on May 15, 2015 5:22:43 GMT -5
I think Jeff gets a pass for this season - hard to smoothly transition onto a team in mid season, especially a team with established stars, and more so with a guy like JG who has a somewhat reserved personality that suggests deference to the established stars. Let's see what next year brings. This. What an arbitrary point to declare his body of work was substantial enough - half a season with a new team in a new conference, huh? He's been in the league long enough to establish his personality. He'll have great games and games where he will "disappear". He's never going to be the man.
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Post by Filo on May 15, 2015 7:50:31 GMT -5
I think Jeff gets a pass for this season - hard to smoothly transition onto a team in mid season, especially a team with established stars, and more so with a guy like JG who has a somewhat reserved personality that suggests deference to the established stars. Let's see what next year brings. This. What an arbitrary point to declare his body of work was substantial enough - half a season with a new team in a new conference, huh? OK Rock. Usual drivel from you, making up stuff, since I did not pick any "point." I will elaborate and then drop it, since you will continue to argue the same point over and over: He's been in the league long enough to substantiate my overall disappointment. He is certainly not a bust or anything like that, but I was hoping he was going to be all-star caliber eventually. Writing appears to be on the wall in that regard. I hope Jeff picks it up but I am not overly impressed so far.
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Post by rockhoya on May 15, 2015 11:46:09 GMT -5
This. What an arbitrary point to declare his body of work was substantial enough - half a season with a new team in a new conference, huh? He's been in the league long enough to establish his personality. He'll have great games and games where he will "disappear". He's never going to be the man. Understood. Was just saying the argument, in context of evaluating a specific body of work, was weak
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Post by rockhoya on May 15, 2015 11:49:44 GMT -5
This. What an arbitrary point to declare his body of work was substantial enough - half a season with a new team in a new conference, huh? OK Rock. Usual drivel from you, making up stuff, since I did not pick any "point." I will elaborate and then drop it, since you will continue to argue the same point over and over: He's been in the league long enough to substantiate my overall disappointment. He is certainly not a bust or anything like that, but I was hoping he was going to be all-star caliber eventually. Writing appears to be on the wall in that regard. I hope Jeff picks it up but I am not overly impressed so far. Chill dude, it's nothing personal. Get it out of your head. The arbitrary point you picked wasn't even after half a season with his new team is completed. Why not wait till he's played a full year in his full role where management can have some time to find out how they fully intend to use his before declaring his experience with Memphis to be homogenous with the rest of his career. Waiting till there's a larger sample size with his new team makes for a stronger argument. Why do you have to take everything so personal? I understand where you're coming from about his body of work, then just don't use the Memphis angle in your argument because THAT sample size is too small. Since you don't seem to remember correctly in the few weeks following his trade to Memphis many experts were actually starting to think he turned the corner in his new role. Now he's not playing that well, but the season isn't over and I certainly hope he doesn't think so either.
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Post by Filo on May 15, 2015 12:25:13 GMT -5
OK Rock. Usual drivel from you, making up stuff, since I did not pick any "point." I will elaborate and then drop it, since you will continue to argue the same point over and over: He's been in the league long enough to substantiate my overall disappointment. He is certainly not a bust or anything like that, but I was hoping he was going to be all-star caliber eventually. Writing appears to be on the wall in that regard. I hope Jeff picks it up but I am not overly impressed so far. Chill dude, it's nothing personal. Get it out of your head. The arbitrary point you picked wasn't even after half a season with his new team is completed. Why not wait till he's played a full year in his full role where management can have some time to find out how they fully intend to use his before declaring his experience with Memphis to be homogenous with the rest of his career. Waiting till there's a larger sample size with his new team makes for a stronger argument. Why do you have to take everything so personal? I understand where you're coming from about his body of work, then just don't use the Memphis angle in your argument because THAT sample size is too small. Since you don't seem to remember correctly in the few weeks following his trade to Memphis many experts were actually starting to think he turned the corner in his new role. Now he's not playing that well, but the season isn't over and I certainly hope he doesn't think so either. Still making stuff up -- examples: Rock: "then just don't use the Memphis angle in your argument because THAT sample size is too small." And that is after I said "have to admit that he is just not going to live up to his expectations as a pro. The sample is large enough now." Rock: "Since you don't seem to remember correctly in the few weeks following his trade to Memphis many experts were actually starting to think he turned the corner in his new role." What does what the so-called expert opinion of Jeff's performance in the first few weeks of the trade have to do with my point? Rock: "Why do you have to take everything so personal?" And that is in response to the one time I have actually engaged in an exchange. I take offense when someone tries to falsely impute arbitrariness into a post I make. Whatever, Rock. You're a big Hoya fan and so am I. I am rooting for Jeff too. Carry on.
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Post by rockhoya on May 15, 2015 13:31:45 GMT -5
Chill dude, it's nothing personal. Get it out of your head. The arbitrary point you picked wasn't even after half a season with his new team is completed. Why not wait till he's played a full year in his full role where management can have some time to find out how they fully intend to use his before declaring his experience with Memphis to be homogenous with the rest of his career. Waiting till there's a larger sample size with his new team makes for a stronger argument. Why do you have to take everything so personal? I understand where you're coming from about his body of work, then just don't use the Memphis angle in your argument because THAT sample size is too small. Since you don't seem to remember correctly in the few weeks following his trade to Memphis many experts were actually starting to think he turned the corner in his new role. Now he's not playing that well, but the season isn't over and I certainly hope he doesn't think so either. Still making stuff up -- examples: Rock: "then just don't use the Memphis angle in your argument because THAT sample size is too small." And that is after I said "have to admit that he is just not going to live up to his expectations as a pro. The sample is large enough now." Rock: "Since you don't seem to remember correctly in the few weeks following his trade to Memphis many experts were actually starting to think he turned the corner in his new role." What does what the so-called expert opinion of Jeff's performance in the first few weeks of the trade have to do with my point? Rock: "Why do you have to take everything so personal?" And that is in response to the one time I have actually engaged in an exchange. I take offense when someone tries to falsely impute arbitrariness into a post I make. Whatever, Rock. You're a big Hoya fan and so am I. I am rooting for Jeff too. Carry on. You are delusional. "He is just not going to live up to expectations (based on what I've now seen from him in Memphis".....I mean, really? You're a psychic? What if he hits the next two game winners and then leads then to a finals MVP? Oh wait I forgot, his body of work with OCK and Boston must mean he's set for life, what was Memphis thinking when yhey traded for him? (Sarcasm) Not to mention many experts (especially the Memphis area ones) know a lot more than you about how he's impctig the game and adjusting to his new role.....the role that hasn't even stretched half a season.
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Post by kchoya on May 15, 2015 13:35:00 GMT -5
This is the most boring rock fight ever
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on May 15, 2015 14:09:45 GMT -5
This is the most boring rock fight ever ...worse than Mayweather vs. Pacquiao!
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Post by Filo on May 15, 2015 14:23:29 GMT -5
This is the most boring rock fight ever ...worse than Mayweather vs. Pacquiao! Now I really feel insulted.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 15, 2015 14:36:08 GMT -5
...worse than Mayweather vs. Pacquiao! Now I really feel insulted. Mayweather vs. Pacquiao wasn't all that bad! he! he!
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Post by ksf42001 on May 15, 2015 18:55:42 GMT -5
Otto with 3 offensive rebounds in one possession already, and they weren't easy rebounds off his own misses, all man-sized rebounds in traffic...
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 15, 2015 19:39:19 GMT -5
This is why people hate Wittman.
Watch all postseason as smaller lineup wins.
Play big lineup for 7 minutes to start second half of elimination game. Go down 15.
Put in small lineup, immediately cut lead to seven in about a minute.
It's not that easy, but it's ridiculous to me how long he was playing Gortat and Nene together.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 15, 2015 20:41:04 GMT -5
Stark example of the Wizards - Wall, Beal and Nene with terrible out-of-control shots down the stretch and matador defense.
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Post by professorhoya on May 15, 2015 20:57:03 GMT -5
Was gortat injured? Why did Gomer Pyle stop playing him?
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Post by deacon on May 15, 2015 20:58:27 GMT -5
This is why people hate Wittman. Watch all postseason as smaller lineup wins. Play big lineup for 7 minutes to start second half of elimination game. Go down 15. Put in small lineup, immediately cut lead to seven in about a minute. It's not that easy, but it's ridiculous to me how long he was playing Gortat and Nene together. I was telling a friend via text at halftime that if Nene and Gortat start the second half, I might break something. It's been obvious all series that lineup just doesn't work and yet, he put it out there and Atlanta predictably raced out to a 15-point lead. He's a moron and I'm done arguing about it. You think he's a good coach, cool but the Wizards could do much, much better.
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Post by dense on May 15, 2015 23:41:36 GMT -5
The thing is that Nene is so bad on D sometimes especially at protecting the rim. Atlanta was having a layup drill.
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