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Post by McBricks on May 1, 2019 20:10:38 GMT -5
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Post by This Just In on May 12, 2019 20:58:12 GMT -5
Just watched the hoyas' own Greg Monroe consoling on court a visibly crying Joel Embiid as the Philadephia Sixers just had their hearts broken by the Toronto Raptors on a miracle last second by Kawhi Leonard to send the Raptors to the Eastern Finals and the Sixers home.
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Post by lichoya68 on May 13, 2019 8:14:26 GMT -5
Greg. Mighta won if used him more. Oneheckofahoya yup
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Post by vv83 on May 13, 2019 9:41:39 GMT -5
Greg. Mighta won if used him more. Oneheckofahoya yup Sadly, Monroe was awful yesterday. He put up a -9 in just two minutes on the court. He had a few good stretches against NJ, but he just can't compete at a high level anymore. He was never real quick/athletic, and he seems to have lost a significant amount of the limited foot quickness he once had.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on May 13, 2019 10:18:15 GMT -5
Greg. Mighta won if used him more. Oneheckofahoya yup Sadly, Monroe was awful yesterday. He put up a -9 in just two minutes on the court. He had a few good stretches against NJ, but he just can't compete at a high level anymore. He was never real quick/athletic, and he seems to have lost a significant amount of the limited foot quickness he once had. He doesn't fit the mold of the modern NBA big. The beefy, below the rim college PFs always struggled making the transition, now more than ever. Wayman Tisdale, Corliss Williamson, Sweetney, Jared Sullinger, Troy Murphy, Monroe, Danya Abrams, Luke Harangody, etc. Random list, but those types of players rarely seem to make it. Elton Brand an exception.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 13, 2019 10:18:25 GMT -5
Greg. Mighta won if used him more. Oneheckofahoya yup Sadly, Monroe was awful yesterday. He put up a -9 in just two minutes on the court. He had a few good stretches against NJ, but he just can't compete at a high level anymore. He was never real quick/athletic, and he seems to have lost a significant amount of the limited foot quickness he once had. I disagree that Monroe can't play at high level anymore as he's only 28. He hasn't been in a situation where his skill set fits and it looks like it has caused him to lose his confidence. He also has responsibility to evolve his game and improve his skill set. Based on his game during his two years on the Hilltop, I'm absolutely shocked he never developed a reliable perimeter jumper. Sans the perimeter touch, there isn't much difference between Monroe's and Jokic's skill sets...
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Post by 95hoya on May 13, 2019 10:41:52 GMT -5
Sadly, Monroe was awful yesterday. He put up a -9 in just two minutes on the court. He had a few good stretches against NJ, but he just can't compete at a high level anymore. He was never real quick/athletic, and he seems to have lost a significant amount of the limited foot quickness he once had. I disagree that Monroe can't play at high level anymore as he's only 28. He hasn't been in a situation where his skill set fits and it looks like it has caused him to lose his confidence. He also has responsibility to evolve his game and improve his skill set. Based on his game during his two years on the Hilltop, I'm absolutely shocked he never developed a reliable perimeter jumper. Sans the perimeter touch, there isn't much difference between Monroe's and Jokic's skill sets... This is just ridiculous. There is no comparison between Jokic's skill level and Greg. None at all. I get that we all are Homer's when it comes to our own but that's a really bad take. Greg Monroe unfortunately is likely no longer an NBA caliber player. His days are numbered. There is no misutilization of his skills. He is just slow, plodding, can't shoot and not good enough around the basket to overcome that or the lack of defense.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 13, 2019 11:23:57 GMT -5
I disagree that Monroe can't play at high level anymore as he's only 28. He hasn't been in a situation where his skill set fits and it looks like it has caused him to lose his confidence. He also has responsibility to evolve his game and improve his skill set. Based on his game during his two years on the Hilltop, I'm absolutely shocked he never developed a reliable perimeter jumper. Sans the perimeter touch, there isn't much difference between Monroe's and Jokic's skill sets... This is just ridiculous. There is no comparison between Jokic's skill level and Greg. None at all. I get that we all are Homer's when it comes to our own but that's a really bad take. Greg Monroe unfortunately is likely no longer an NBA caliber player. His days are numbered. There is no misutilization of his skills. He is just slow, plodding, can't shoot and not good enough around the basket to overcome that or the lack of defense. Both have been recognized as very good passers, skilled with both hands scoring in the post, and good on the glass. Both are highly suspect defensively. Neither of them are athletic, give you rim protection or move well latterly. As I said previously, Jokic perimeter shot is much much better then Monroe. Not even close in that department. I'm not talking output, I'm talking all around skill set, minus the perimeter shooting...
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Post by hoyazeke on May 13, 2019 11:26:20 GMT -5
I disagree that Monroe can't play at high level anymore as he's only 28. He hasn't been in a situation where his skill set fits and it looks like it has caused him to lose his confidence. He also has responsibility to evolve his game and improve his skill set. Based on his game during his two years on the Hilltop, I'm absolutely shocked he never developed a reliable perimeter jumper. Sans the perimeter touch, there isn't much difference between Monroe's and Jokic's skill sets... This is just ridiculous. There is no comparison between Jokic's skill level and Greg. None at all. I get that we all are Homer's when it comes to our own but that's a really bad take. Greg Monroe unfortunately is likely no longer an NBA caliber player. His days are numbered. There is no misutilization of his skills. He is just slow, plodding, can't shoot and not good enough around the basket to overcome that or the lack of defense. 95 you are getting caught up in the results...Greg is an exact replica of Jokic minus the 3ptr...maybe if Greg had developed his jumper it would have improved his finishing around the rim....but Greg has the size and the post moves but he rarely finishes...imo
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Post by 95hoya on May 13, 2019 12:57:52 GMT -5
No they are not replicas. If you can't finish a move then you don't actually have that post move. Jokic is a talent this league rarely sees. Saying Greg is like Jokic minus the 3 point shot is just silly. There is far more than just shooting ability that separates them. Jokic functions as the defacto point guard for his team. He can grab a board and lead the break, creating for himself or his teammate. Jokic is one of the best passers in the league. The only thing they really have in common are that they are not the fleetest of foot and strong defenders.
Greg Monroe is not a jumpshot away from being a top 10 player in the league. That's what Jokic is.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 13, 2019 13:46:22 GMT -5
No they are not replicas. If you can't finish a move then you don't actually have that post move. Jokic is a talent this league rarely sees. Saying Greg is like Jokic minus the 3 point shot is just silly. There is far more than just shooting ability that separates them. Jokic functions as the defacto point guard for his team. He can grab a board and lead the break, creating for himself or his teammate. Jokic is one of the best passers in the league. The only thing they really have in common are that they are not the fleetest of foot and strong defenders. Greg Monroe is not a jumpshot away from being a top 10 player in the league. That's what Jokic is. Your still focusing on numbers. I'm talking skill set. Also don't minimize Jokic's high level shooting which opens up the floor for all his other skill sets to shine. Without his perimeter shooting skills, he's no way near the passer/player from the perimeter if his defender doesn't have to come out to defend his shot and is instead laying off of him, sitting in or near the key...
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Post by 95hoya on May 13, 2019 13:57:24 GMT -5
Their skillset is not similar at all. Greg passes pretty well for a 5 man. Jokic is considered one of the 5 best passers in the league.
Greg is not very skilled, and even worse has not aged well. What he does well he does so in a very smooth and controlled manner. Being a lefty was always an advantage for him. But he can't put the ball on the floor or shoot.
He's actually one of the least skilled bugs in the league currently and we are comparing him to Jokic because Greg is a good stationary passer. Greg needed to evolve his game and he never really did that.
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Post by deacon on May 13, 2019 14:32:17 GMT -5
I disagree that Monroe can't play at high level anymore as he's only 28. He hasn't been in a situation where his skill set fits and it looks like it has caused him to lose his confidence. He also has responsibility to evolve his game and improve his skill set. Based on his game during his two years on the Hilltop, I'm absolutely shocked he never developed a reliable perimeter jumper. Sans the perimeter touch, there isn't much difference between Monroe's and Jokic's skill sets... This is just ridiculous. There is no comparison between Jokic's skill level and Greg. None at all. I get that we all are Homer's when it comes to our own but that's a really bad take. Greg Monroe unfortunately is likely no longer an NBA caliber player. His days are numbered. There is no misutilization of his skills. He is just slow, plodding, can't shoot and not good enough around the basket to overcome that or the lack of defense. This. How Greg gets compared to Jokic is beyond me. He might not even be in the NBA next season and it’s not just because he can’t shoot.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on May 13, 2019 16:29:37 GMT -5
No they are not replicas. If you can't finish a move then you don't actually have that post move. Jokic is a talent this league rarely sees. Saying Greg is like Jokic minus the 3 point shot is just silly. There is far more than just shooting ability that separates them. Jokic functions as the defacto point guard for his team. He can grab a board and lead the break, creating for himself or his teammate. Jokic is one of the best passers in the league. The only thing they really have in common are that they are not the fleetest of foot and strong defenders. Greg Monroe is not a jumpshot away from being a top 10 player in the league. That's what Jokic is. Your still focusing on numbers. I'm talking skill set. Also don't minimize Jokic's high level shooting which opens up the floor for all his other skill sets to shine. Without his perimeter shooting skills, he's no way near the passer/player from the perimeter if his defender doesn't have to come out to defend his shot and is instead laying off of him, sitting in or near the key... I know exactly what you mean. Some people just like telling people they’re wrong because in their mind it inflates how “right” they are. You’re talking about their base skillsets, not the way they’ve been developed. Greg and Jokic entered the NBA at very different times for big men and their roles and there is much more that can be said on the subject but I’ll just leave it at that since this is still HoyaTalk. I mean, you’d think people understood words and understood that you’re not sayin they’re the same player or have the same production, just that they have more similarities than people generally realize. And those that view Greg as unskilled simply don’t understand basketball, probably haven’t played, and if they played had low iq.
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Post by 95hoya on May 13, 2019 19:29:13 GMT -5
If you rated his all around skill at the 5 position he comes in as below average across the board. Yes, relative to his peers, he's pretty unskilled. Again, what makes him skilled? He doesn't dribble or shoot and is not highly efficient in the post.
Anyway, very happy for him that he's made significant coin in the league.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 13, 2019 20:37:34 GMT -5
If you rated his all around skill at the 5 position he comes in as below average across the board. Yes, relative to his peers, he's pretty unskilled. Again, what makes him skilled? He doesn't dribble or shoot and is not highly efficient in the post. Anyway, very happy for him that he's made significant coin in the league. Do you not remember Greg coming out of HS? He could do it all in 6'11" body....he wasn't the stiff, back to the basket big he is today...at GTown he even shot the 3 a little....not developing these skillsets and not ever having these skillsets are different....
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Post by 95hoya on May 13, 2019 22:40:52 GMT -5
You are holding onto your memories of him as a high schooler and college player. In the best league in the world, he just isn't all that skilled. Very few players can get away with not improving their skillset since high school. Pascal Siakim entered college raw and unskilled. Now he's a very skilled, all star caliber player.
Yes I know his body isn't the same but he would still be a rotation guy if he could do some more things with the ball. The comp to Jokic is what I am arguing. I know what the poster is trying to say, I still strongly disagree with it.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 14, 2019 19:49:51 GMT -5
Didn't know where to put this but is anyone watching this rigged lottery? NY, LA, and 2 small markets(Memphis and NO) to make it look better...lol
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Post by njhoya78 on May 14, 2019 19:52:29 GMT -5
Didn't know where to put this but is anyone watching this rigged lottery? NY, LA, and 2 small markets(Memphis and NO) to make it look better...lol Not rigged if the top two picks are going to New Orleans and Memphis instead of New York City and Los Angeles.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 14, 2019 19:54:24 GMT -5
Spoke too soon.....Nawleans!!!!!
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