tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Nov 4, 2014 19:31:59 GMT -5
I can finally watch a full Knicks game! Woo hoo!
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Post by dense on Nov 5, 2014 19:47:59 GMT -5
Henry has to play better or he will lose his rotation spot soon. Really has been jump shot happy and he isn't rebounding or defending particularly well.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Nov 5, 2014 23:05:41 GMT -5
Greg with 23 pts 18 reb and 3 assists.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 6, 2014 9:20:12 GMT -5
Jeff had 20 but Celts had 28 turnovers....
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Nov 6, 2014 9:40:53 GMT -5
Glad I did not make the Wiz v Pacers game last night, as I had planned. Otto 1 for 5 (a three pointer) and Roy 0-7! Roy did have 5 blocks and 9 boards, but still remains an absolute mystery to me.
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Post by emkmd on Nov 6, 2014 10:31:25 GMT -5
I watched the first half of the Wiz Pacers game, unfortunately. Both teams just play bad basketball. The announcers made a point about Wall being number one in assists for corner threes and he is very good at driving and dishing. But the team has too many one pass and shoot posessions. Otto did hit a corner three, he got blocked in transition after a steal. Seemed to play good D, was mached up against Copeland. The team D did fall apart on some screen and rolls and Otto got caught on the wing alone one time with two Pacers behind the 3 point line. He went after the other player with the ball leaving Copeland open, who then received the pass and drianed the 3. The Pacers have too many injuries and will be better once guys start coming back. They will have some depth off the bench. Roy could not get anything going against Gortat and just did not get the ball. He did play good D.
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jorand
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Post by jorand on Nov 6, 2014 10:40:06 GMT -5
Glad I did not make the Wiz v Pacers game last night, as I had planned. Otto 1 for 5 (a three pointer) and Roy 0-7! Roy did have 5 blocks and 9 boards, but still remains an absolute mystery to me. As far as Roy goes I've come to the conclusion this is just who he is. Not saying he's a bad player (obviously he isn't) but he's just unreliable.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Nov 6, 2014 10:44:22 GMT -5
I've seen some commentators killing the Pacers/Roy for having him take a 3 down 2 at the end of overtime (the shot looked pretty good but obviously missed). The criticism is understandable given the aforementioned poor shooting night, but surprised I have not seen anyone remember what he did to UCon in a very similar situation.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 6, 2014 10:46:43 GMT -5
Luckily so far this year even when he's not scoring he's still blocking shots, rebounding, and playing good D. Which is more important frankly. If he can keep consistent on that end of the court he'll have a much better season. And frankly outside of last night he's had 4 good to great offensive games so far in the young season.
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Post by dungeon ball on Nov 6, 2014 10:54:47 GMT -5
For people that follow the Pacers more, how come they don't post Roy up that much? Is that by design, or is that Roy not being assertive?
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jorand
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Post by jorand on Nov 6, 2014 11:10:03 GMT -5
For people that follow the Pacers more, how come they don't post Roy up that much? Is that by design, or is that Roy not being assertive? Honestly, from what I've seen I don't believe he's that great at posting up. I mean he's tall but he's not very strong in his lower body. Seems like he can be pushed out of the paint.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 11:22:26 GMT -5
Averaging 12.5 9 boards 4 blks a game…
Don’t know what people expect, but he’s not a superstar player. He’s a good defensive center and those are solid numbers
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Post by dungeon ball on Nov 6, 2014 11:26:13 GMT -5
Averaging 12.5 9 boards 4 blks a game… Don’t know what people expect, but he’s not a superstar player. He’s a good defensive center and those are solid numbers I'm not saying he isn't, I was just wondering about the lack of posting up. Granted I tuned in at the end of the 1st quarter, but I didn't see him post up once.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 11:30:20 GMT -5
Averaging 12.5 9 boards 4 blks a game… Don’t know what people expect, but he’s not a superstar player. He’s a good defensive center and those are solid numbers I'm not saying he isn't, I was just wondering about the lack of posting up. Granted I tuned in at the end of the 1st quarter, but I didn't see him post up once. Wasn’t singling anybody out per se’. They don’t really run plays for him so it is what it is. He has to get his in other ways, but yes he posts up and when they look for him he can be effective...
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vv83
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Post by vv83 on Nov 6, 2014 11:31:55 GMT -5
Roy suffers in the public's perception in part because he does occasionally put up a 25-30 point game. The fact that he can do this a few times a year (and has had some games like this during the playoffs, on national TV) leaves fans/media expecting him to do it every night. Anyone who has watched Roy over time knows that he is not going to put up 20+ regularly.
The key, as others pointed out, is continuing to play impact defense. In the playoffs last year, when he was really struggling offensively - he also let down a bit on defense. Last night, he was still an impact defensive player even though he had a really bad offensive night. As long as he plays D every night, he is a uniquely valuable player. Fans and the media may continue to rip on him for his occasional bad offensive nights. But you can be sure that Roy will always have a starting job (at a good salary level) in the NBA as long as he plays defense. There are very few players you can build an entire quality defense around in the NBA, and Roy is one of them.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Nov 6, 2014 12:54:25 GMT -5
Roy suffers in the public's perception in part because he does occasionally put up a 25-30 point game. The fact that he can do this a few times a year (and has had some games like this during the playoffs, on national TV) leaves fans/media expecting him to do it every night. Anyone who has watched Roy over time knows that he is not going to put up 20+ regularly. The key, as others pointed out, is continuing to play impact defense. In the playoffs last year, when he was really struggling offensively - he also let down a bit on defense. Last night, he was still an impact defensive player even though he had a really bad offensive night. As long as he plays D every night, he is a uniquely valuable player. Fans and the media may continue to rip on him for his occasional bad offensive nights. But you can be sure that Roy will always have a starting job (at a good salary level) in the NBA as long as he plays defense. There are very few players you can build an entire quality defense around in the NBA, and Roy is one of them. vv83 ..I am definitely one of those who has seen Roy absolutely dominate some of the best players in the world, in the most intense playoff conditions possible, and wonders..why can't he do it on a regular basis? I do not mean to be critical...he is definitely my favorite Hoya in the NBA. He has made two All Star teams and was second in the NBA defensive player of the year voting last year. He is utterly dominant, in terms of keeping other teams out of the paint..so on defense, he is a true stud. He is also a very good passer. It is just his scoring that is so inconsistent...such as going 0-7 last night. So, yes...I am probably one of those who sees his 25 point, 15 rebound games against the Heat, and wonder why he doesn't at least average 15 and 10.
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bkhoya
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Post by bkhoya on Nov 6, 2014 13:19:29 GMT -5
Simply put I think Roy is still too weak and gets easily knocked off balance to be a consistent low post scorer. He'll have an occasional good offensive game when his confidence is up and his first couple of shots drop. But they don't he'll battle with himself as well as the opponent the rest of the game, like he did last night.
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Post by royski on Nov 6, 2014 13:31:58 GMT -5
Sorta off topic, but Durant in his HBO documentary is rocking a Hoyas hat for the opening scenes. Cool to see.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 6, 2014 13:46:20 GMT -5
Roy suffers in the public's perception in part because he does occasionally put up a 25-30 point game. The fact that he can do this a few times a year (and has had some games like this during the playoffs, on national TV) leaves fans/media expecting him to do it every night. Anyone who has watched Roy over time knows that he is not going to put up 20+ regularly. The key, as others pointed out, is continuing to play impact defense. In the playoffs last year, when he was really struggling offensively - he also let down a bit on defense. Last night, he was still an impact defensive player even though he had a really bad offensive night. As long as he plays D every night, he is a uniquely valuable player. Fans and the media may continue to rip on him for his occasional bad offensive nights. But you can be sure that Roy will always have a starting job (at a good salary level) in the NBA as long as he plays defense. There are very few players you can build an entire quality defense around in the NBA, and Roy is one of them. vv83 ..I am definitely one of those who has seen Roy absolutely dominate some of the best players in the world, in the most intense playoff conditions possible, and wonders..why can't he do it on a regular basis? I do not mean to be critical...he is definitely my favorite Hoya in the NBA. He has made two All Star teams and was second in the NBA defensive player of the year voting last year. He is utterly dominant, in terms of keeping other teams out of the paint..so on defense, he is a true stud. He is also a very good passer. It is just his scoring that is so inconsistent...such as going 0-7 last night. So, yes...I am probably one of those who sees his 25 point, 15 rebound games against the Heat, and wonder why he doesn't at least average 15 and 10. The Wiz's radio announcers gave high praise to Roy's defense last night, while pointing out the lack of scoring.
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Post by HoNYaSaxa on Nov 6, 2014 16:43:01 GMT -5
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