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Post by jkhoya12 on Dec 9, 2011 21:31:47 GMT -5
rthere is absolutely nothing unique about HOYA Blue. every school has a student section. The only difference is tghat our students don't travel. I sincerely disagree with the second part of this. There have been many problems with student attendance/Hoya Blue/student section, but we are the best traveling student section in the Big East.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 9, 2011 21:47:28 GMT -5
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 10, 2011 23:27:54 GMT -5
another anemic showing by the student section ... better effort by the alumni flag football team who came from anacostia at halftime.
at least the ones who were there yelled loudly ... after we started winning by more than 6 ...
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Post by rosslynhoya on Dec 11, 2011 1:40:45 GMT -5
another anemic showing by the student section ... better effort by the alumni flag football team who came from anacostia at halftime. at least the ones who were there yelled loudly ... after we started winning by more than 6 ... Sometimes I get very confused as to what games some of you people are watching. The crowd got very noisy when Howard cut the lead to two. People really got into it for the first time all game at that point (which makes sense when you quietly jump out to a 17-0 lead and kind of coast from there).
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Post by bigelephant on Dec 11, 2011 11:09:59 GMT -5
It was one of those games that was hard to cheer - ran away for the first part and then sloppy play and less than good offense contributed to a strange quietness. Things got going when OTTO did those super slams.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 11, 2011 12:02:09 GMT -5
BLUE AND STUDENT ATTENDANCE VERY BAD but will only get worse now that outa school OUCH get it moving blue come on
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Dec 11, 2011 12:41:24 GMT -5
A few comments: 1) I took the orange line to the game and listened to a few students talk about how it was stupid that they just couldn't be bussed there. They had no idea that its what used to happen. I mean, it just needs to happen. With all of the delays yesterday, I had an hour commute home to Clarendon and I didn't have to get on a bus after getting out of the metro like the students had to. Especially during exams, you can't expect students to come out unless its easy for them. Hopping on a bus and arriving at the Verizon center = easy 2) The stupid "heads" have got to go. If you watched the Indiana game yesterday, that student section did it right. Having 2 tiny "big" heads (one of JT3 and the other of Bill Clinton, of all people) just looks absurd. If you're going to do it, can you at least add Bradley Cooper? 3) Because no student sings the fight song, the words are now printed on the cheer sheets HB hands out. Kudos to HB for recognizing the problem, but its just sad. Back in my day, we had to learn the fight song during NSO (and if we didn't figure it out then, the Escape leaders made sure we knew all the words by the first night of the retreat)
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Post by tjm62 on Dec 11, 2011 13:48:08 GMT -5
Really no excuse for not busing the kids directly to the verizon center. Given the relative difficulty of getting to a metrostop (and the reliance ANYWAY on GUTS buses to get kids there), it is a needless impediment to having a better student section. As far as I can remember, they stopped the buses after my freshman year, and the willingness of students to attend the unsexy out-of-conference games dropped.
Doesn't really bother me when attendance is anemic during finals time (though I know the problem goes beyond that). Doing well on exams is more important than being there against Howard. And if the administration guarantees that it will take 90 minutes to get there, all the more reason to skip it.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 11, 2011 14:47:54 GMT -5
another anemic showing by the student section ... better effort by the alumni flag football team who came from anacostia at halftime. at least the ones who were there yelled loudly ... after we started winning by more than 6 ... Sometimes I get very confused as to what games some of you people are watching. The crowd got very noisy when Howard cut the lead to two. People really got into it for the first time all game at that point (which makes sense when you quietly jump out to a 17-0 lead and kind of coast from there). Sometimes I get very confused about what posts some of you people are reading. The crowd did NOT get "very noisy" when Howard cut the lead to two. They got noisy (and started paying attention for the first time in the second half) when Otto jammed one home to take the lead to 6.
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Post by skyhoya on Dec 11, 2011 15:07:59 GMT -5
Not many students there, a few more than on school break, were tehy noisy?, yep
were the fans into the game, not until the game was on the line, like a LA crowd.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 11, 2011 17:46:10 GMT -5
Doing well on exams is more important than being there against Howard. Strongly disagree, but then again, I know that I was a different breed of student. ;D I didn't really care at the time, but now that student attendance has dropped, there's definitely a good argument for reinstatement of buses. Just provided it's done well. It wasn't always done well when I was a student. Sometimes a good chunk of the student section would leave early, for fear that they would miss the bus back to campus.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 11, 2011 19:01:47 GMT -5
Doing well on exams is more important than being there against Howard. Strongly disagree, but then again, I know that I was a different breed of student. ;D I didn't really care at the time, but now that student attendance has dropped, there's definitely a good argument for reinstatement of buses. Just provided it's done well. It wasn't always done well when I was a student. Sometimes a good chunk of the student section would leave early, for fear that they would miss the bus back to campus. I'm not sold on the bring back the buses idea yet. I have a feeling there will be a significant uptick in attendance for the Big East season, when we'll at least be playing "real" opponents (and hopefully still ranked ourselves). It might be worth bringing back next season on a limited basis, maybe for non-league games only. My friends and I never thought it was too much of a hassle to get to games, but then again, I spend a lot of time reading and posting here and on CasualHoya, so I'm not exactly representative of the student body on the whole.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 11, 2011 19:23:47 GMT -5
Anyone in favor of buses, please at least address the quantity issue:
500 undergrads is at least 10 buses.
I know some games we definitely got above 2,000. That would be FORTY to FIFTY buses. I could see 60+ buses worth of students coming out for specific games. That's incredibly hard to rent and manage at those quantities.
Where's the cut-off? How about getting home? If you don't have enough isn't there natural incentive to miss the end of the game?
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Post by KirbyKeger on Dec 11, 2011 19:32:43 GMT -5
I honestly don't think there's cause for concern yet. Home matchups have not been good. Our marquee OOC games have been away (Maui and Alabama). Recent home games featuring lackluster opponents (NJIT and Howard) have fallen on the saturday before the last week of classes when everyone has papers/presentations and on the saturday before exams. The VC will be rocking again at the start of next semester, guaranteed.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 11, 2011 23:15:15 GMT -5
Anyone in favor of buses, please at least address the quantity issue: 500 undergrads is at least 10 buses. I know some games we definitely got above 2,000. That would be FORTY to FIFTY buses. I could see 60+ buses worth of students coming out for specific games. That's incredibly hard to rent and manage at those quantities. Where's the cut-off? How about getting home? If you don't have enough isn't there natural incentive to miss the end of the game? Yea, I think this was what ultimately dictated the end of the busing operation. It's one thing to transport Esherickian crowds; it's a different matter entirely when you have two student sections' worth of demand. Ultimately, there's just no good staging area for that many buses. Maybe if you had the cooperation of MPD to shut down an entire block of roadway adjacent to the Verizon Center, in order to hold and dispatch buses upon game's end, it could work. But absent that, you had the kind of "Two minutes left! Gotta run to catch the bus!" scramble that we saw in 04-05 and especially 05-06 seasons. There's only so long you can sit there and block traffic. Plus the whole cost thing. If this were to be resurrected, I think it would have to be limited to weekend games. During the week, in rush-hour DC traffic, GUTS to Rosslyn or Dupont and then Metro is much quicker than trying to navigate the gridlock by overground bus. At the end of the day, it's still all about supply and demand. You've got 6,000 undergrads and 20,000 seats. When it's Duke or Syracuse or UConn, there's scarcity. When it's IUPUI or NJIT or Howard... there's just not. Win a couple of national championships and then maybe there will be. That's not to say that Hoya Blue or McDonough (attempted mass ticket giveaways notwithstanding) or others couldn't do more to drive up the numbers for some of these games. Let's keep brainstorming. But the perceived quality of the product is still variable numero uno.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 11, 2011 23:47:47 GMT -5
Yea, I think this was what ultimately dictated the end of the busing operation. It's one thing to transport Esherickian crowds; it's a different matter entirely when you have two student sections' worth of demand. Except that...in the Capital Centre era, large student crowds were also in play and yes, there were tons of buses as well. But in the case of Landover, students had no choice but to take the buses and the two hour round trip. For Verizon, the school could order the buses and students could still go via Metro or cab. It may be a case that GU was no longer willing to pay for half-empty buses.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 12, 2011 1:04:29 GMT -5
Yea, I think this was what ultimately dictated the end of the busing operation. It's one thing to transport Esherickian crowds; it's a different matter entirely when you have two student sections' worth of demand. Except that...in the Capital Centre era, large student crowds were also in play and yes, there were tons of buses as well. But in the case of Landover, students had no choice but to take the buses and the two hour round trip. For Verizon, the school could order the buses and students could still go via Metro or cab. It may be a case that GU was no longer willing to pay for half-empty buses. Large student crowds, yes, though not quite as large - the undergraduate enrollment has risen since 1997, after all. In any case, I was speaking not just to the pure number of buses, but all the attendant complications. Landover is nothing if not 'blessed' with generous amounts of parking and staging areas. Not so Chinatown, especially circa 2011. Also, given what rush hour traffic looks like these days, a trip to Cap Centre via several freeways would probably be not much longer than slogging through downtown DC. If I had to guess, I'd also wager that it's not just a matter of payment. Given all the attention paid to traffic and congestion in the campus plan wrangling, what would the reaction to dispatching 30 buses through congested city streets be?
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Post by Bando on Dec 12, 2011 3:12:36 GMT -5
SFHoya99 is right as to why busing stopped. But really, campus is better served by mass transit than 90% of the country, so I really don't see why the lack of door-to-door conveyance is such a big deal. Off the top of my head, here are all the ways I can think of to get from campus to the Verizon Center:
1. Cab (cheaper if shared) 2. Walk less than an hour. 3. D2, D6, or G2 bus to Dupont Metro, train to Chinatown 4. GUTS bus to Rosslyn or Dupont, train to Metro Center or Chinatown 5. 38B to Rosslyn, train to Metro Center 6. Gtown-Union Station circulator to Mt. Vernon Square, walk a few blocks to arena 7. Take 32 or 36 bus to Foggy Bottom Metro, train to Metro Center 8. Take 32 or 36 bus to 7th & Pennsylvania NW, walk a few blocks
This really isn't that hard, especially since you can get real-time info for all Metro and Circulator buses from a cell phone nowadays.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 12, 2011 8:33:27 GMT -5
bando good suggestions.. i hope the athletic dept looks at some of these. understand the 50 busses thing.. maybe those that COME TO ALL OR SO MANY EARLY games get FREE BUSSES for the season.. need to be creative to get them out so hope we can up with some new creative ideas.. aND the whole its exams more important than bball ??/ sorta understand but gimme a break.// AGAIN ill say these student athletes THEY BUST THEIR BUTTS EVERYDAY IN PRACTICE AND THEYVE GOT TO LEAVE AND GET TO VERIZON BEFORE ALMOST ALL STUDENTS.. SO I DONT BUY THAT.. these are YOUR ... classmates... yup ... work as hard as you do in school.... AND bust their butts for you all .... SO LETS LOOK AT HOW TO FILL THE BOOTH.... GO HOYAS
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Dec 12, 2011 10:18:07 GMT -5
SFHoya99 is right as to why busing stopped. But really, campus is better served by mass transit than 90% of the country, so I really don't see why the lack of door-to-door conveyance is such a big deal. Off the top of my head, here are all the ways I can think of to get from campus to the Verizon Center: 1. Cab (cheaper if shared) 2. Walk less than an hour. 3. D2, D6, or G2 bus to Dupont Metro, train to Chinatown 4. GUTS bus to Rosslyn or Dupont, train to Metro Center or Chinatown 5. 38B to Rosslyn, train to Metro Center 6. Gtown-Union Station circulator to Mt. Vernon Square, walk a few blocks to arena 7. Take 32 or 36 bus to Foggy Bottom Metro, train to Metro Center 8. Take 32 or 36 bus to 7th & Pennsylvania NW, walk a few blocks This really isn't that hard, especially since you can get real-time info for all Metro and Circulator buses from a cell phone nowadays. The thing is, all of those options (besides cab) can take you an hour on the weekend and are no easier than hopping on the shuttle to the Metro that they provide for bball games (extremely limited GUTS service on weekends). If we want more student fans during these games, you are going to have to bus them directly there.
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