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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Apr 12, 2015 14:05:21 GMT -5
That is assuming Mourning is on scholarship, which is still unknown. Doesn't matter if he's still on scholarship or not. He's a counter. Let me get this right, if Nigel transfers he will come to us no later then 2017 is that correct? Because at this moment we only have one spot open scholarship or not, per NCAA ruling you can have 13 scholarship players and 15 players total on a team, that means two walk-on's. So we can get both Kenny Williams for 2016 and Nigel Williams-Goss for 2017 without over committing our roaster. www.verbalcommits.com/schools/georgetown
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Post by Problem of Dog on Apr 12, 2015 14:26:27 GMT -5
That is assuming Mourning is on scholarship, which is still unknown. Doesn't matter if he's still on scholarship or not. He's a counter. That's not true. How can we confirm that he was a "recruited" student athlete within the definitions set out by the NCAA? If he's a counter, he'll be on scholarship.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 12, 2015 15:06:13 GMT -5
Doesn't matter if he's still on scholarship or not. He's a counter. Let me get this right, if Nigel transfers he will come to us no later then 2017 is that correct? Because at this moment we only have one spot open scholarship or not, per NCAA ruling you can have 13 scholarship players and 15 players total on a team, that means two walk-on's. So we can get both Kenny Williams for 2016 and Nigel Williams-Goss for 2017 without over committing our roaster. www.verbalcommits.com/schools/georgetown NGW was only be eligible in 2016-2017, but he would be on scholarship for next year as well, even though he can't play. NGW is a great player, but I suspect we'd probably only have him for one year -- he's close to graduating already; he's already really good, his first year playing for us will be his academic senior year. Not saying that's not worth it, but it's something to think about.
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Post by daymondmyles on Apr 12, 2015 15:16:16 GMT -5
This counter thing again?! Haven't we seen that proven wrong again and again? How do you think UConn and Creighton turned scholarship players into walk ons? Short memories on here.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 12, 2015 16:14:12 GMT -5
Trey is a schollie player. As for Nigel - even ONE year of Nigel would be fantastic for GU and would completely dispel the notion that top level guards won't come to the hilltop and flourish under JT3.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 12, 2015 16:17:44 GMT -5
If we can get Nigel OR Kenny Williams we should grab him and thank our lucky stars. If somehow BOTH wanted to come, in keeping with Hoya tradition it would be time for someone else to head off to the French Foreign Legion
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Post by kchoya on Apr 12, 2015 20:46:33 GMT -5
This counter thing again?! Haven't we seen that proven wrong again and again? How do you think UConn and Creighton turned scholarship players into walk ons? Short memories on here. You're wrong. Ask DFW.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 12, 2015 23:51:17 GMT -5
A Recruited Student Athelete, according to the NCAA Division I manual (Rule 15.02.8) is a prospective student-athlete who: (a) Was provided an official visit to the institution's campus; (b) Had an arranged, in person, off-campus encounter with a member of the institution's coaching staff, or (c) Was issued a National Letter of Intent or a written offer of athletically related financial aid by the institution for a regular academic term. I don't think we know enough about Mourning's recruitment to say whether he was "recruited" as far as being considered a counter. Also, see Rule 15.5.1 on Counters. Under that rule, a student-athlete who receives financial aid based in any degree on athletes ability shall become a counter for the year which the sduent-athlete receives the financial aid. However, under Rule 15.5.1.3, it does seem that if the financial aid is not "renewed" that they might not be considered a counter (as long as they aren't getting financial aid) though the rule isn't entirely clear. Check out the manual at: www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D115JAN.pdf
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Post by lucky on Apr 13, 2015 6:35:00 GMT -5
The last part was how UCONN got Drummond in a few years back. They had used all scholies but some other kid suddenly had enough money to pay his own way, and voila a scholarship was opened for Mr. Drummond to play.
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Post by daymondmyles on Apr 13, 2015 6:48:07 GMT -5
Exactly. The counter thing is a red herring in this. Scholarships are year to year and counters work the same way.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 13, 2015 7:35:10 GMT -5
The last part was how UCONN got Drummond in a few years back. They had used all scholies but some other kid suddenly had enough money to pay his own way, and voila a scholarship was opened for Mr. Drummond to play. Drummond actually paid his own way so he wasn't counted toward the 13 limit. Though it shows he wasn't a "counter".
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Post by daymondmyles on Apr 13, 2015 7:57:49 GMT -5
Drummond did not have to pay his own way. They were gong to boot a scholarship player who would stay on with financial aid. It's well documented.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 13, 2015 8:32:47 GMT -5
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 13, 2015 8:34:59 GMT -5
Drummond did not have to pay his own way. They were gong to boot a scholarship player who would stay on with financial aid. It's well documented. And when I was little I said I was gonna be president one day, it was well-documented. That's not how it ended up going down though.
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Post by daymondmyles on Apr 13, 2015 8:41:15 GMT -5
This is foolish. You really think all those articles and talk from UConn about how they were going to boot Bradley and keep him on with financial aid was wrong and that nobody including UConn did their research? It came down to Drummond just feeling better PR wise about being a walk on. And another thing, the mere fact that Drummond COULD be a walk on pretty much kills the counter thing because he clearly would have been a "counter".
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Post by daymondmyles on Apr 13, 2015 8:48:31 GMT -5
Is anybody seriously arguing that if Mourning chose to pay his own way next year he would still be considered a counter and his scholarship wouldn't be available for another recruit? Forget Drummond and just remember Doug McDermott. Whether he should or needs to or wants is another matter, but let's stop debating it. It's clear that scholarships are year to year and that scholarship players can become walk ons the following year and open up the scholarships for other recruits. The counter thing is really to prevent 1/2 scholarships and maybe for transfers.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 13, 2015 10:11:35 GMT -5
Is anybody seriously arguing that if Mourning chose to pay his own way next year he would still be considered a counter and his scholarship wouldn't be available for another recruit? Forget Drummond and just remember Doug McDermott. Whether he should or needs to or wants is another matter, but let's stop debating it. It's clear that scholarships are year to year and that scholarship players can become walk ons the following year and open up the scholarships for other recruits. The counter thing is really to prevent 1/2 scholarships and maybe for transfers. My bad on the response above Day, I misread what you were stating.. I read your post again and realized you were saying that Drummond didn't "have" to pay, I first thought you were saying he didn't pay his way.. Your take above is correct, the counter rule is in place to prevent schools from handing out other types of aid to a recruited athlete.. Back to Goss.. UNLV will be tough to beat seeing that after this season they won't have a lead guard on the roster, although Pat McCaw is a good ball handler.. Having his former coach on the staff probably helps some too.. But if he wants to round out his game G'town would be the better pick.. One of his biggest negatives is that he's a ball dominant kid, playing in JT3's system will teach him how to play/be effective without the ball in his hands.. It's still puzzling that he'd transfer after all the success he had at Washington but if the staff can get that visit I'd feel pretty good about their chances of getting him to committ..
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Post by sleepy on Apr 13, 2015 11:16:39 GMT -5
Exactly. The counter thing is a red herring in this. Scholarships are year to year and counters work the same way. i thought that the year to year renewal on scholarships changes effective next year.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 13, 2015 11:19:39 GMT -5
One of his biggest negatives is that he's a ball dominant kid, playing in JT3's system will teach him how to play/be effective without the ball in his hands.. I look at that one differently Etomic. To me, his ball handling and his ability to lead a team - as a true PG - are positives (not negatives), as is the fact that JT3 knows this and is actively recruiting him. Rather than changing Nigel's game, his arrival could change JT3's offense... change, as in "evolve". Our offense has been changing over the years, but we have never had the dominant PG like other teams to lead the Hoyas. We've had Wallace, and Wright and Starks, but we never had a Kemba Walker, for example. Is that because JT3 couldn't recruit one? Or because he didn't want one? Our team and offense could benefit signficantly from a floor leader like Nigel. And he could benefit from playing for a high profile team with all the pieces except PG. GU may not be in a Power 5 conference, but we still have a pretty high profile and visibility when it comes to College Hoops. With Nigel, we are more likely to make serious runs at the BE conference title, the BET title and the NCAA tournament. This one feels like a long shot, but one well worth pursuing. I think it would be a huge boost to the program to get even one year of Nigel leading the team.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 13, 2015 11:54:33 GMT -5
Is anybody seriously arguing that if Mourning chose to pay his own way next year he would still be considered a counter and his scholarship wouldn't be available for another recruit? Forget Drummond and just remember Doug McDermott. Whether he should or needs to or wants is another matter, but let's stop debating it. It's clear that scholarships are year to year and that scholarship players can become walk ons the following year and open up the scholarships for other recruits. The counter thing is really to prevent 1/2 scholarships and maybe for transfers. Yes. Also, are you seriously arguing that Georgetown, with JT2 still alive and JT3 in charge, is ever going to boot a scholarship player (son of a past player or not)? You know that would never happen.
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