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Post by RDF on Nov 10, 2011 0:07:58 GMT -5
A psychotic person is going to act in that manner and is a lost cause. A rationale person knowing deviant behavior is taking place, and that act is tormenting children and ruining their lives, and leaving it to "I passed it on...." and then allowing the individual access to the football program--WITH children and not making certain the issue was handled is lower form of life. He knew what was taking place and so did McQueary. They didn't do a damn thing. As Jay Bilas said--when they told Sandusky--"you can't bring kids to campus" they are saying "It's ok if you do that on your own time--just not at Penn State". Guru--how would you feel if it was your child/grandchild, and I knew of this behavior and just passed it on to others and didn't follow up? Even worse--if I witnessed the behavior and did nothing? Child molestation is as low as it gets and I include someone who allows this predator to function and continue his acts. To me--Paterno and McQueary deserve same punishment as Sandusky--and I could care if they continue as part of the human race. Paterno can rot in hell for all I care. I'd just place Sandusky on a lower rung of hell. Understand and realize my feelings won't be shared by all--but we all agree--these individuals have to suffer/pay for their role in this heinous act.
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Post by Bando on Nov 10, 2011 0:13:04 GMT -5
The reactions of the PSU students right now and some PSU alum friends on Facebook right now is making me literally nauseous.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2011 0:29:43 GMT -5
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Post by CAHoya07 on Nov 10, 2011 3:52:08 GMT -5
I can understand some of the Penn State student reaction - it was emotional, irrational, and in many ways, lacking perspective. Basically, how I would expect a mob of students to react (and I was one too, not long ago). Some of the comments I've heard from some Penn State students (and alumni) have been insightful, others ignorant. My guess is it was a minority in State College that was starting most of the trouble.
I don't think Joe was self-serving, and I don't think he used the University to serve himself, as Richard Justice wrote. He donated back to the University for the library. He was just brought down by a tragic mistake, something that he has no one to blame but himself.
And the greater tragedy here, of course, is the unspeakable pain that Sandusky's victims continue to go through. Let's make sure their voices are heard.
P.S. Not sure how I feel about the whole "firing over the phone" thing... but in the end, there are more important things.
P.P.S. Saturday will be the first Penn State football game not featuring Joe Paterno on the sidelines since 1949... damn.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2011 6:43:57 GMT -5
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Post by theexorcist on Nov 10, 2011 7:30:02 GMT -5
The reactions of the PSU students right now and some PSU alum friends on Facebook right now is making me literally nauseous. Actually, the worse reactions are those of other college football fans - rejoicing because the guy who stopped the Pitt/Penn State game is gone. Get some perspective. This goes beyond football.
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Post by skyhoya on Nov 10, 2011 7:50:05 GMT -5
Now that the Board of Trustees has done their knee-jerk reaction, they have NO plan for the future. I will still be at the Beaver on saturday supporting the team, because the kids deserve it. As far as financial support, I will be with-holding it until I see what they are going to do and who fills the key positions. The media coveerage on this been absolutely terrible, especially trying to indicate the students were rioting. PSU is not UMCP and the students don't destroy where they live.
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Post by theexorcist on Nov 10, 2011 8:21:30 GMT -5
Now that the Board of Trustees has done their knee-jerk reaction, they have NO plan for the future. I will still be at the Beaver on saturday supporting the team, because the kids deserve it. As far as financial support, I will be with-holding it until I see what they are going to do and who fills the key positions. The media coveerage on this been absolutely terrible, especially trying to indicate the students were rioting. PSU is not UMCP and the students don't destroy where they live. At least the Maryland students just burn things. They don't stand outside the house to support a guy who let his friend get away with raping little boys.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2011 8:32:56 GMT -5
The problem in Happy Valley extends far beyond the University and the almighty football program. The media there have been just as complicit. Sandusky a State secret
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Post by skyhoya on Nov 10, 2011 8:54:28 GMT -5
nice find
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Post by TC on Nov 10, 2011 8:59:25 GMT -5
The problem in Happy Valley extends far beyond the University and the almighty football program. The media there have been just as complicit. Sandusky a State secretThat article makes broader claims than have even been explored yet - that Paterno used power and influence to squash a complaint in 1998 that lead to Sandusky's retirement. If that's true and proven, I don't know how he doesn't spend the rest of his life in jail, bankrupt from civil suits from victims after 1999.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Nov 10, 2011 9:14:11 GMT -5
The problem in Happy Valley extends far beyond the University and the almighty football program. The media there have been just as complicit. Sandusky a State secretHeh, I wonder if commenters "MarkPA" and "Michael5148" are still active users on that website. Peeks into the mindset of the PSU "faithful" are enlightening.
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Post by theexorcist on Nov 10, 2011 9:19:30 GMT -5
Less than an hour after Paterno was fired, a friend on Facebook commented that Tom Bradley, the acting head coach, had worked under Sandusky - and he found it amazing that he didn't know of the charges.
It's so incredibly unimportant, but Penn State football is like an Eastern European country in 1990 - almost everybody has some suspicion of being tied to a morally bankrupt regime. At some point, you have to consider totally cleaning house with a neutron bomb - not just all the coaches, but anyone who worked in things like ticket sales - to ensure that the stain is removed.
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Post by chep3 on Nov 10, 2011 9:53:10 GMT -5
Someone explain to me the reaction to reaction of the Penn State students, because I don't get it. I've been watching ESPN and CNN (flipping back and forth), and it seems like both networks were openly rooting for a riot, didn't get one, and are basically trying to push the narrative towards the idea that a bunch of college kids are outside chanting and a bunch more have their cameraphones out constitutes a riot. I don't agree with the students, I think the trustees did the right thing, but the coverage it is getting like this is some volatile and unsafe scene - where exactly is the video of this? You would think this was the Los Angeles riots or a protest to a G8 summit, or a disappointing flower show in Vancouver given how the cable newsers were covering this. Yeah I couldn't agree with this more. It was almost like Stu Scott and Steve Levy were rooting for some sort of Kent State redux. They then ended with a dialogue about how these kids are basically insulting the memory of the victims because all the care about is how the football team will do, which is not the most important thing here. Of course, in the morning edition, they asked Robert Smith how the team would cope with Nebraska on Saturday. And my take on what they're protesting about isn't really support for Joe Pa, necessarily. I think they're protesting because he really does personify the entire university, and tossing him aside makes them feel like they have lost the identity of the school they came to know. For better or for worse, Joe Pa is bigger than a Bobby Bowden or a Barry Switzer or anyone else. He isn't PSU football, he's PSU. And maybe it's totally misplaced frustration, but I'm guessing that what those demonstrators were really upset about was the loss of their school's identity.
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Post by Boz on Nov 10, 2011 9:57:25 GMT -5
The reactions of the PSU students right now and some PSU alum friends on Facebook right now is making me literally nauseous. As we have said many times, it's not often that Bando and I agree (outside of music and pop culture). We definitely agree here. Way to do yourselves proud, State College! I guess we can just call you the UMCP of Pennsylvania. As for the networks, of course they were practically openly rooting for things to get uglier. They have no souls. Never have, never will.
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Post by chep3 on Nov 10, 2011 9:57:35 GMT -5
A psychotic person is going to act in that manner and is a lost cause. I mean, I'm sure you're not in favor of letting him off the hook, but I don't think you can call him psychotic. Pedophilia is deviant certainly, but not psychotic--there's no break with reality, and thus, no absolution for being a lost cause.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 10, 2011 10:04:16 GMT -5
Now that the Board of Trustees has done their knee-jerk reaction, they have NO plan for the future. I will still be at the Beaver on saturday supporting the team, because the kids deserve it. As far as financial support, I will be with-holding it until I see what they are going to do and who fills the key positions. The media coveerage on this been absolutely terrible, especially trying to indicate the students were rioting. PSU is not UMCP and the students don't destroy where they live. Knee-jerk reaction? Are you saying that the board should not have taken the actions that it did? Or that they should have delayed things? And as far as "NO plan," I'd say they have a pretty good plan. Step #1 - git rid of all of the people that allowed this to fester. Step #2 - figure everything else out. What'd you expect, a 10-page outline for a succession plan? Spanier's successor to be named last night?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 10, 2011 10:05:30 GMT -5
I will preface this by stating that I am a life long PSU fan. Gtown is a Jesuit University affiliated with the Catholic church. That entire institution masked pedophiles for decades!!! Why didn't we call for the Pope's head when that all happened? This doesn't justify what happened at PSU as they are equally horrendous but people, to say that Paterno blatantly lied to his superiors and is at fault is a sticky proposition. The following post article makes a good point, Paterno's closeness with Sandusky probably prevented him from being able to see things clearly. His history with Sandusky probably allows him to assume that McQueary's report to him was somehow a misperception. Now if he told JoePa, "I saw Jerry sodomizing a child", then my argument is completely flawed and I get that but at present, we do not know what was conveyed and at present, I would give a guy with a 55+ year track record the benefit of the doubt. Whether he coached another game doesn't really matter to me at this point, but to trash his entire reputation immediately with out all the facts does. One last commment. I am sure many of us have known or do know pedophiles. Your relationship may cloud your view but I would suggest that with the percentage of predators in our nation, you have probably not only known one, but you have trusted one. Maybe even a Jesuit while you were at Georgetown. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/blame-for-the-penn-state-scandal-does-not-lie-with-joe-paterno/2011/11/08/gIQADqMF3M_story.html
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Post by vcjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:05:49 GMT -5
A psychotic person is going to act in that manner and is a lost cause. I mean, I'm sure you're not in favor of letting him off the hook, but I don't think you can call him psychotic. Pedophilia is deviant certainly, but not psychotic--there's no break with reality, and thus, no absolution for being a lost cause. The bible of American psychiatry disagrees allpsych.com/disorders/paraphilias/pedophilia.html
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Post by guru on Nov 10, 2011 10:08:03 GMT -5
Now that the Board of Trustees has done their knee-jerk reaction, they have NO plan for the future. I will still be at the Beaver on saturday supporting the team, because the kids deserve it. As far as financial support, I will be with-holding it until I see what they are going to do and who fills the key positions. The media coveerage on this been absolutely terrible, especially trying to indicate the students were rioting. PSU is not UMCP and the students don't destroy where they live. Knee-jerk reaction? Are you saying that the board should not have taken the actions that it did? Or that they should have delayed things? And as far as "NO plan," I'd say they have a pretty good plan. Step #1 - git rid of all of the people that allowed this to fester. Step #2 - figure everything else out. What'd you expect, a 10-page outline for a succession plan? Spanier's successor to be named last night? Agreed - and the reaction from Penn State fans has been absolutely baffling to me. I mean I know all fanbases are somewhat cult-like, but this seems to be taking it to the extreme. Calling this a knee-jerk reaction completely misses the point, and it's pretty insulting.
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