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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 20, 2011 8:22:32 GMT -5
In looking at the recruiting tables, we have very little class balance at this point. Some of this is totally out of the coaches control (Ayegba & Bowen).
The classes as I see them are: SENIORS: Clark, Sims Juniors: Thompson (possible senior by definition and he could take his talents to southbeach or somewhere else after locking up that degree) Sophomores: Lubick, Starks, Caprio (non-scholarship) Freshman: Adams, Trawick, Whittington, Porter, Hopkins, Bowen, and kind of Ayegba. In-coming next year: Bolden, DSR.
We are kind of like St. John's with experience because of Bowen & Moses. Bowen is also the odd man out in a lot of these discussions that are on the board and should be interesting to see where he fits in. It would be very difficult to keep a 7 player class together over four years but I think this also allows the coaches to be very selective with their next recruit(s).
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Post by idhoya on Oct 20, 2011 8:34:03 GMT -5
I think Bowen gets first run off the bench @ the two. Jabril will spell Markel. Aaron will spell JC. Gotta think the kid has earned the right to be first off the bench @ the two having been in the system for a year.
I think the lack of balance is also in the types of players brought in. Hoyas have two guards, although Bowen, Hollis and GW can play the two. GW is interesting because if he puts in the work then he could possibly moved Bowen out. Just my assessment.
Obviously if everyone plays to their potential the hoyas have a nice pt problem. That is not likely. Frontcourt is more settled behind Henry and Nate. Tyler and Mikael are your backups. Hollis is your three with OP behind him, though OP can play the three and four. I'd like to see him more at the three, at least initially, than the four.
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Post by chep3 on Oct 20, 2011 8:56:18 GMT -5
Correction: we're like St. John's with eligible players.
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 20, 2011 9:17:07 GMT -5
WE HAVE GREAT CLASS BALANCE because its about more than bball and ill take our KIDS AND COACHES CLASS IN FRONT OF ANYONE IN THE COUNTRY thats the class that counts and eventullly will WIN we will see underrated and overperform just like jason said at the media day LOVE THE UNDERDOG NOT SO GOOD NO ALL BIG EAST NO BIG EAST ROY ETC ETC LETS GET IT ON let the games begin from battle of beijing to battle of the big east.. go hoyas tough mean and a great well oiled machine yup we will see
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 20, 2011 9:54:40 GMT -5
I think Bowen gets first run off the bench @ the two. Jabril will spell Markel. Aaron will spell JC. Gotta think the kid has earned the right to be first off the bench @ the two having been in the system for a year. I think the lack of balance is also in the types of players brought in. Hoyas have two guards, although Bowen, Hollis and GW can play the two. GW is interesting because if he puts in the work then he could possibly moved Bowen out. Just my assessment. Obviously if everyone plays to their potential the hoyas have a nice pt problem. That is not likely. Frontcourt is more settled behind Henry and Nate. Tyler and Mikael are your backups. Hollis is your three with OP behind him, though OP can play the three and four. I'd like to see him more at the three, at least initially, than the four. I'm not yet a believer in Bowen. I know he's got the tools, but... I suspect we'll see something like this: PG Starks SG Clark SF Thompson PF Lubick C Sims Main Backup at PG/SG: Trawick Main Frontcourt Backup: Porter (w/ Lubick sliding to the 5) Minutes as they earn them: the rest We've never run guys to run them; that's the past reality and I don't see it changing. If players like Whittington, Bowens, Adams or Hopkins force their way onto the court through excellent practice play, we'll have a larger rotation. If they don't, I see them in limited injury/foul trouble/team playing awful/2 minutes of play territory. I'm not saying we're going seven man; I think we just go seven man if the team isn't very good.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Oct 20, 2011 10:05:14 GMT -5
I'm not yet a believer in Bowen. I know he's got the tools, but... I suspect we'll see something like this: PG Starks SG Clark SF Thompson PF Lubick C Sims Main Backup at PG/SG: Trawick Main Frontcourt Backup: Porter (w/ Lubick sliding to the 5) Minutes as they earn them: the rest We've never run guys to run them; that's the past reality and I don't see it changing. If players like Whittington, Bowens, Adams or Hopkins force their way onto the court through excellent practice play, we'll have a larger rotation. If they don't, I see them in limited injury/foul trouble/team playing awful/2 minutes of play territory. I'm not saying we're going seven man; I think we just go seven man if the team isn't very good. I can't fault your assessment based on the historical evidence. I really hope that JT3 is looking beyond the immediate outcome of this one season. Don't put Tyler and Mikael into a competitive game *just* to run them but do it for the sake of developing them as players so that they will be better contributors next year and beyond.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 20, 2011 10:41:53 GMT -5
Rosslyn, I think you also plug them in to keep them active and engaged. Plugging a single guy in for two to three minute spurts allows him to provide energy and learn.
As long as it isn't the point guard, it shouldn't lock up the entire offense either. I guarantee these guys will pay more attention on the bench too knowing they could enter at any time.
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Post by idhoya on Oct 20, 2011 11:00:34 GMT -5
Plus, based on III's comments, the team will be much deeper and the youngins will be counted on to contribute. Def doesn't sound like 7-man rotation.
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Post by skyhoya on Oct 20, 2011 11:08:41 GMT -5
The frosh got a lot of run in China, so III has some good gametime to evaluate as he starts practice.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 20, 2011 12:55:01 GMT -5
I, too, hope several of the young players earn time on the court. Would love to see some Pops-style defense. Pressure. Keep 'em fresh.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Oct 20, 2011 13:03:47 GMT -5
with the amount of athleticism and talent this team has, it would be a huge indictment on III to have a seven-man rotation. I don't think that's going to happen this year. We'll see nine.
Starks, Clark, Hollis, Nate, Henry.
Bench: Jabril, Greg, Aaron, Mikeal
Tyler will play as well.
Remember, we've never once had 10 BE talented players on one team. That's why we've never played that many people.
For once, III has depth. He either uses it this year, or he loses it after this year and his practice becomes a primmmmmeeeeeee target for negative recruiting.
Knowing how smart III is? I don't think he wants to open that can of worms.
Eight man rotation in the LEAST.
9/10 at the start of the season
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Oct 20, 2011 13:04:43 GMT -5
Fotgot Otto.....huge omission....my fault
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 20, 2011 13:18:02 GMT -5
I do agree that we have more talent and depth on this team than in years past. But no matter what all 11 guys are not seeing the court regularly.
I expect 8 players to be in the main rotation:
Starting 5 of Markel, Jason, Hollis, Nate, Henry Bench of: Jabril, Otto, and 1 of Mikael or Tyler
1 of Aaron or Greg will also see some minutes.
The losers of the two battles play ~ 5 minutes a game.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Oct 20, 2011 13:21:46 GMT -5
No, certainly 11 guys can't play regular minutes. I wasn't suggesting that.
I do see nine. The eight you mentioned, plus Greg. I just think a 6-9 dude that can handle and shoot and is as athletic as Greg will find a way to see at least 15 minutes per game. He can play three positions. I think Otto, Mikeal and Jabril are too good to sit as well. I see Aaron and Tyler picking up spot minutes.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 20, 2011 13:25:12 GMT -5
Freshmen. I they have a lot of potential, but Thompson has shown he will take a W over developmental time.
If the frosh are ready, they will run. If they need work, they won't.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Oct 20, 2011 13:26:30 GMT -5
basically, we have three guys on this team, (Otto, Jabril and Greg), who we have skill sets that we have never seen in the program during III's tenure.
Otto and Greg are 6-9 guys that are legit three's, not converted three's. Jeff Green was a skilled four when he was here. DaJuan didn't have near the handle of these two guys, and neither did BoBo, although I wish he had four years under III. He would've easily been an NBA guy had he been with III for at least three years.
And we haven't had a guard nearly as athletic as Jabril. Certainly not one capable of throwing down a dunk in traffic. I've said before that Sapp is his nearest comparison, and Jessie didn't have nearly the athleticism that Jabril has. He's the most purely athletic guard we've seen on the hilltop since Victor Page/Allen Iverson.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 20, 2011 13:30:25 GMT -5
basically, we have three guys on this team, (Otto, Jabril and Greg), who we have skill sets that we have never seen in the program during III's tenure. Otto and Greg are 6-9 guys that are legit three's, not converted three's. Jeff Green was a skilled four when he was here. DaJuan didn't have near the handle of these two guys, and neither did BoBo, although I wish he had four years under III. He would've easily been an NBA guy had he been with III for at least three years. And we haven't had a guard nearly as athletic as Jabril. Certainly not one capable of throwing down a dunk in traffic. I've said before that Sapp is his nearest comparison, and Jessie didn't have nearly the athleticism that Jabril has. He's the most purely athletic guard we've seen on the hilltop since Victor Page/Allen Iverson. That could be true -- I need to hold off on the Otto/Greg comment until I see whether their handles are really above and beyond Hollis/Summers. But Otto in particular is a mix of Summers and Green with hopefully a bit better handle tossed in. And no disagreement on Jabril's combination of athleticism and offensive skills. That said, this team is missing some things other teams had: outside shooting outside of Hollis; a 7'; experience. So yes, you're right and that's cool, but it doesn't mean all that much yet.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Oct 20, 2011 13:37:09 GMT -5
As the season goes on and these freshmen get some seasoning, there are going to be a lot of teams that will have a hard time matching up with us.
I remember how utterly small we used to look next to Syracuse. We'll see some of that going our way this year
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Post by prhoya on Oct 20, 2011 14:47:33 GMT -5
As the season goes on and these freshmen get some seasoning, there are going to be a lot of teams that will have a hard time matching up with us. I remember how utterly small we used to look next to Syracuse. We'll see some of that going our way this year IF they get playing time... The good thing is that JT3 will not have much choice. He will need bodies out there when the 3 upperclassmen get into foul trouble, get tired, etc... Yes, but we went 1-1 v. Syracuse and outrebounded them both times. Chris was out for the loss. Against Syracuse, it's about hitting shots and/or having zone busters, and playing good defense. We did great at Syr., but sucked at home. I think by Feb., with his "perpetual motion", Otto will be a nightmare for the Syracuse zone and their offense. I like our chances this year against them, but it will depend on hitting our shots, not giving them second chances and playing tough defense.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Oct 20, 2011 15:10:01 GMT -5
I think III has sent out many subliminal hints of the freshmen getting ample playing time. He compared Greg to Wesley Johnson. You just don't say that unless you're planning on playing him. He started Otto in China and he stated that Jabril will have an impact. I don't think there's any question that these guys will play, at least initially
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