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Post by prhoya on Oct 20, 2011 15:18:06 GMT -5
I think III has sent out many subliminal hints of the freshmen getting ample playing time. He compared Greg to Wesley Johnson. You just don't say that unless you're planning on playing him. Hope you're right! And here I was thinking that Otto was the Wes type... could be that both of them fit the role!
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Post by KennaHoya on Oct 20, 2011 15:59:04 GMT -5
In China JT III started Sims-Lubick-Thompson-Clark-Starks, but that really did not matter. The playing time was split between 10 of the 11 healthy players, with those 10 getting between 18 and 24 minutes on average (two of the games were 48 minutes, I think one was 40 minutes, I don't count the Bayi game although minutes were pretty well distributed there too; Caprio played, but not like the other 10).
Otto and Greg do have similar games, although I think Greg favors the three with set feet more than Otto, and Otto is smoother in the mid-range area and in the full court transition game. Both are pretty thin, but rebound based on their height and athleticism - I do not think they have the power Mikael Hopkins has, even though he may even be a half-inch shorter. But they are still growing boys, I think!
As I have noted elsewhere, I really do think JT III will use 10-11 in a meaningful way, if not in every game, then over the course of several games, depending on who has the hot hand or more useful skills for the opponent. Obviously you cannot give 10 guys 20 plus minutes each every game.
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 20, 2011 18:28:26 GMT -5
I think III has sent out many subliminal hints of the freshmen getting ample playing time. He compared Greg to Wesley Johnson. You just don't say that unless you're planning on playing him. He started Otto in China and he stated that Jabril will have an impact. I don't think there's any question that these guys will play, at least initially Agree with all of this. Plus, Otto will be a starter, at least by start of BE.
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Post by idhoya on Oct 20, 2011 19:14:58 GMT -5
I think Tyler has to play with no Moses to back up Henry. Mikael is too light in the britches.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Oct 20, 2011 19:41:57 GMT -5
I think III has sent out many subliminal hints of the freshmen getting ample playing time. He compared Greg to Wesley Johnson. You just don't say that unless you're planning on playing him. He started Otto in China and he stated that Jabril will have an impact. I don't think there's any question that these guys will play, at least initially Agree with all of this. Plus, Otto will be a starter, at least by start of BE. Hmm. Interesting. Who do you think he supplants? Id hate to see him starting at anything down low once BE starts so you see him taking whose spot, Hollis? Jason? I dont see that at all, but I do see him playing heavy minutes, similar to what Hollis got last year and providing some minutes at the 4, but cant see him starting this year.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Oct 20, 2011 19:49:51 GMT -5
Let me preface this by saying I don't think this would happen at any point:
But I firmly believe that this would be our best starting lineup.
1) Markel
2) Hollis
3) Otto
4) Nate
5) Henry
We get super long, athletic and defense on the wings. Hollis would be able to play his NBA position. Otto would benefit best from being in the starting lineup and being able to do everything. Markel would have the green light to look for his shot.
As for Jason?
He becomes a super-sixth man. We get automatic scoring off the bench. He doesn't have to defer to anyone. His minutes 25-28 would be the same whether he starts or not. Jabril becomes the back-up point and the two can switch defensively.
I just really think that would be a great lineup. As I said, knowing III, there's 10 percent chance this happens. But I also think Otto is one of our best five players, and he needs to play. And mixing Jason up and putting him in that role would make him very effective, IMO
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Post by alleninxis on Oct 20, 2011 19:59:22 GMT -5
Agree. that is ideal.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 20, 2011 20:26:06 GMT -5
Let me preface this by saying I don't think this would happen at any point: But I firmly believe that this would be our best starting lineup. 1) Markel 2) Hollis 3) Otto 4) Nate 5) Henry We get super long, athletic and defense on the wings. Hollis would be able to play his NBA position. Otto would benefit best from being in the starting lineup and being able to do everything. Markel would have the green light to look for his shot. As for Jason? He becomes a super-sixth man. We get automatic scoring off the bench. He doesn't have to defer to anyone. His minutes 25-28 would be the same whether he starts or not. Jabril becomes the back-up point and the two can switch defensively. I just really think that would be a great lineup. As I said, knowing III, there's 10 percent chance this happens. But I also think Otto is one of our best five players, and he needs to play. And mixing Jason up and putting him in that role would make him very effective, IMO I like this line-up also Daytona... My only question is who plays the last 4-5 minutes of a close game?
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Post by idhoya on Oct 20, 2011 20:28:30 GMT -5
won't happen. This is JC and Hollis' team.
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 20, 2011 20:28:59 GMT -5
kenna hoya you seem to be pretty right on as long as you didnt get a concussion from projectile in china tho go hoyas yup let the games begin coach said he will probably do some scrimmage sat am and he emphasized SOME so we will seeeeeee
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 20, 2011 20:29:42 GMT -5
ps otto for surprise roy in the big east maybe you never ever know go hoyas gO OTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 21, 2011 2:33:37 GMT -5
ps otto for surprise roy in the big east maybe you never ever know go hoyas gO OTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Drummond wins this unless he breaks his leg. All rookie team is another matter, however.
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 21, 2011 8:03:35 GMT -5
REMINDER rudy gay was a LOCK for the roy in the big east preseason and one jeff greeen tied him and really shoulda one by his rookie performance so YOU NEVER KNOW nope dont know ottooo is pretty darn good WE WILL SEE. and our guys have class vs uconnn? ?? we will see
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 21, 2011 10:28:05 GMT -5
Agree with all of this. Plus, Otto will be a starter, at least by start of BE. Hmm. Interesting. Who do you think he supplants? Id hate to see him starting at anything down low once BE starts so you see him taking whose spot, Hollis? Jason? I dont see that at all, but I do see him playing heavy minutes, similar to what Hollis got last year and providing some minutes at the 4, but cant see him starting this year. I see Otto supplanting Henry. Henry has been here three years and has shown no ability to compete at this level and has been relegated to the bench by III, even when Vaughn was struggling last year. I see no reason to suspect he will be able to handle a starting role this year. He may (or may not) begin the season as the starter but I think he will continue to show he's just not that good. Hope I am wrong. Further, I would not be surprised to see one more freshman in the starting role before we start BE play. III has said many good words about GW and Mikael so look out for them. If my beliefs are on, it leaves us with somewhat of a small team down low but that may be the way the ball bounces. Okay, RDF, tell me once again I don't know what I'm talking about.
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Post by idhoya on Oct 21, 2011 10:48:05 GMT -5
Otto is not a five. He's lighter than Henry. Now, if you put him there he'll compete, but it's be like Hollis @ the four last season, imo.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 21, 2011 10:53:25 GMT -5
won't happen. This is JC and Hollis' team. There is some precedent for Clark coming off the bench his senior year--Jesse Sapp did it. I'm not sure we want the same conditions that lead to that benching to occur again though.
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Post by idhoya on Oct 21, 2011 10:56:31 GMT -5
Was Sapp better than Clark is? Different players. Sapp was an attacker, while Clark likes the jumper. I just see III finally giving JC the reigns; doesn't mean he'll keep them though. This JC and Hollis' team at the beginning at least.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Oct 21, 2011 11:01:43 GMT -5
Hmm. Interesting. Who do you think he supplants? Id hate to see him starting at anything down low once BE starts so you see him taking whose spot, Hollis? Jason? I dont see that at all, but I do see him playing heavy minutes, similar to what Hollis got last year and providing some minutes at the 4, but cant see him starting this year. I see Otto supplanting Henry. Henry has been here three years and has shown no ability to compete at this level and has been relegated to the bench by III, even when Vaughn was struggling last year. I see no reason to suspect he will be able to handle a starting role this year. He may (or may not) begin the season as the starter but I think he will continue to show he's just not that good. Hope I am wrong. Further, I would not be surprised to see one more freshman in the starting role before we start BE play. III has said many good words about GW and Mikael so look out for them. If my beliefs are on, it leaves us with somewhat of a small team down low but that may be the way the ball bounces. Okay, RDF, tell me once again I don't know what I'm talking about. I dont disagree with what you are saying necessarily. But sliding Otto into the starting lineup in favor of Henry means Nate moves to the 5 and Otto to the 4. I dont like that at all. IF, and I dont see it happening, Henry has to sit down and someone else is inserted, it should be Mikael or Tyler. But I dont see either of them being as far along as Henry. Thus, I see the starting lineup being Henry/Nate/Hollis/Jason/Markel. If Henry proves to be ineffective then I see him being the first man pulled, and maybe Otto first off the bench and slide Nate to the 5. However, I am not a fan of predestined subbing patters as we saw last year, ie-Hollis always first out the game in favor of Nate, even if Hollis starts the game out making 3 straight jumpers. Id like it to be more on feel this year. Bottom line though is I think Otto sees 25 mpg off the bench. Jabril sees 15-20.
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Post by alleninxis on Oct 21, 2011 11:12:38 GMT -5
won't happen. This is JC and Hollis' team. There is some precedent for Clark coming off the bench his senior year--Jesse Sapp did it. I'm not sure we want the same conditions that lead to that benching to occur again though. also PE JR. and that is the preferred route. Guy realizes team is best served with a different lineup/6th man and embraces it.
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Post by idhoya on Oct 21, 2011 11:24:21 GMT -5
Again, it may happen, but not initially. He'll be given a chance to lose his spot.
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