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Post by calhoya on May 16, 2012 10:48:26 GMT -5
Agree that Boise has proven to be a consistent winner for several years. However, most of that time was in the WAC and although they proved to be able to play with and beat the big boys 2-3 times a year, they will not convince the rest of the nation that they have arrived on the national stage until they can do it week in and out. I think Petersen is more than capable of accomplishing that feat. The real question is whether the competition in the reconfigured BE will be deemed by so-called national pundits to be adequate enough to elevate the program into the category of the elite or do they need a Big 12 or Pac 12 type of schedule? Many people are convinced they are now elite. It appears you are one of those who are not. Some will never be convinced. Many of those people are also living in the 1970s. One recent national publication listed Petersen as the second best coach in FBS after Saban. If BSU keeps Petersen (and every indication is that he will stay), BSU can continue an elite national program a la Osborne, Paterno, Bowden, Beamer, etc. The one thing BSU fans are accustom to is having the goal posts moved. They fully understand that when they join the Big East it will no longer be good enough either. The most interesting example of this was when they heard that Oregon would beat BSU 9 of 10 times after BSU had won twice in a row - home and away. (By the way, I am a GU alum and basketball fan as well as a BSU football fan having grown up in Boise) I am actually a GU alum who also follows most of the Western schools, particularly in the MWC, because of my SoCal location. I am a big fan of Petersen too, but the reality remains that all of BSU's accomplishments will continue to be discounted by many people because they have not played the high level of competition on a weekly basis. I am not in that group as I think that the MWC has been at the level of the BE for several years now. Could BSU perform at that level on a weekly basis? I think so. Will they get credit for doing so in the Big East? I doubt it--at least not until the BE football is restored to some level of national prominence. I remain unconvinced that BSU actually is going to benefit its reputation in the long term by this move. I would have stayed West, dominated the MWC--or tried to--an hope for an invitation from the Big 12.
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Post by jwp91 on May 16, 2012 12:54:49 GMT -5
I am actually a GU alum who also follows most of the Western schools, particularly in the MWC, because of my SoCal location. I am a big fan of Petersen too, but the reality remains that all of BSU's accomplishments will continue to be discounted by many people because they have not played the high level of competition on a weekly basis. I am not in that group as I think that the MWC has been at the level of the BE for several years now. Could BSU perform at that level on a weekly basis? I think so. Will they get credit for doing so in the Big East? I doubt it--at least not until the BE football is restored to some level of national prominence. I remain unconvinced that BSU actually is going to benefit its reputation in the long term by this move. I would have stayed West, dominated the MWC--or tried to--an hope for an invitation from the Big 12. The MWC is the old WAC. Forget the impact on reputation. BSU would get more money and a higher level of competition based on the absence of bottom dwellers. Until Memphis was admitted, the Big East had no true bottom dwellers in football.
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Post by jgalt on May 16, 2012 23:03:30 GMT -5
Winning is only half that equation. Got to also bring in the fans home and away. Boise has been a draw at away games because they have played schools with already big draws. Its when they can go to uconn or rutgers and fill the stadium when they have made it (like a Michigan or Texas would do)
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Post by jwp91 on May 17, 2012 6:39:21 GMT -5
Winning is only half that equation. Got to also bring in the fans home and away. Boise has been a draw at away games because they have played schools with already big draws. Its when they can go to uconn or rutgers and fill the stadium when they have made it (like a Michigan or Texas would do) Big East presidents have already noted they like BSU for their ability to bring in fans to away games and TV. The President of BSU made several comments during the press conference when joining the Big East about all the compliments he had received on the topic. From watching the phenomenon, BSU has developed a bit of a national following. They are the 2nd favorite team for many fans due to their former Cinderella status, their history of success, and their frequent featuring on ESPN. And they don't just draw fans from Idaho to the away games. They bring football fans from the surrounding area who have joined the bandwagon and have only a fan connection to the school. As an example off the top of my head, Toledo (that attendance powerhouse) set their all time attendance record when BSU played them last season. I would have to think that BSU vs. UConn or Rutgers would have even more appeal than Toledo. When BSU played San Diego State last year (a very weak attendance school in football), it was San Diego's largest home crowd of the year by far. And it was a virtual home game for BSU. From the reports I read, most of those were SoCal based fans who had adopted BSU to follow. There is no significant presence of BSU alum in SoCal to note. I think you will be surprised at BSU's attendance draw.
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Post by thebin on May 17, 2012 9:13:10 GMT -5
I second the notion that Boise have sort of become America's team as far as that is possible in college ball. Guilty as charged myself.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 10:19:12 GMT -5
Take this with a grain of salt but…
The Dude of WV @thedudeofwv What does it mean that the #ACC would talk to Georgetown about membership?
The Dude of WV @thedudeofwv @chris_vannoy ACC is talking to a few Big East schools.. Cards, Knights, Bulls, Hoyas among them… and surprisingly UCONN – ACADEMICS!
Apparently the Sec is open to expansion in new markets only, and might be looking at VT (most likely) or Maryland.
Clemson and FSU are gone to the Big 12 and rumor is the ACC meetings have….
Greg Swaim @gswaim So far the #ACC meetings have been gold to the #Big12. This conference has become a civil war between the football & basketball schools.
Greg Swaim @gswaim @thedudeofwv It's a dog eat dog world, in conference realignment, and the #ACC is now wearing MilkBone underwear.
This will not end well..
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 17, 2012 10:29:56 GMT -5
1. Twitter is not journalism. 2. Chris Vannoy is not Andy Katz. He's not even a sportswriter. He's a tech developer in Indianapolis, which is not a good source for ACC conference chatter...unless you're apparently someone from West Virginia. twitter.com/chris_vannoy3. A quick check of the Interwebs suggests the WVU poster in question is a frequent blogger on various realignment boards. Maybe he should talk about the CAA mess instead.
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Post by jwp91 on May 17, 2012 10:36:19 GMT -5
1. Twitter is not journalism. 2. Chris Vannoy is not Andy Katz. He's not even a sportswriter. He's a tech developer in Indianapolis, which is not a good source for ACC conference chatter...unless you're apparently someone from West Virginia. twitter.com/chris_vannoyAndy Katz's connections are basketball based. And football is driving all of this. I have found Andy also has no keen insight into what is happening.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 10:46:30 GMT -5
1. Twitter is not journalism. 2. Chris Vannoy is not Andy Katz. He's not even a sportswriter. He's a tech developer in Indianapolis, which is not a good source for ACC conference chatter...unless you're apparently someone from West Virginia. twitter.com/chris_vannoy3. A quick check of the Interwebs suggests the WVU poster in question is a frequent blogger on various realignment boards. Maybe he should talk about the CAA mess instead. Twitter 101… Chris Vannoy was the person the comment was directed to. That is why it says "@chrisvannoy”
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Post by hoyarooter on May 17, 2012 11:30:05 GMT -5
The information is probably worthless, but the milkbone underwear reference made me LOL.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 17, 2012 12:00:49 GMT -5
I know that many people here would probably scoff at this, but if Georgetown ever has a chance to join the ACC, they should do it immediately. I don't expect Georgetown to ever have such an opportunity (why would the ACC ever take on a non-football school), however, so we're talking in hypothetical terms only.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 17, 2012 12:11:39 GMT -5
I know that many people here would probably scoff at this, but if Georgetown ever has a chance to join the ACC, they should do it immediately. I don't expect Georgetown to ever have such an opportunity (why would the ACC ever take on a non-football school), however, so we're talking in hypothetical terms only. There's only one other league Georgetown would consider joining, and it's not looking to expand.
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Post by deacon on May 17, 2012 12:19:43 GMT -5
I know that many people here would probably scoff at this, but if Georgetown ever has a chance to join the ACC, they should do it immediately. I don't expect Georgetown to ever have such an opportunity (why would the ACC ever take on a non-football school), however, so we're talking in hypothetical terms only. There's only one other league Georgetown would consider joining, and it's not looking to expand. If the ACC asked today, I would hope Georgetown would accept before the ACC changed its mind. The Big 10 would be nice, but let's be real about the situation.
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Post by jgalt on May 17, 2012 12:42:38 GMT -5
There's only one other league Georgetown would consider joining, and it's not looking to expand. If the ACC asked today, I would hope Georgetown would accept before the ACC changed its mind. The Big 10 would be nice, but let's be real about the situation. I believe DFW is talking about the Ivy. But really Gtown should jump at the opp to join the ACC. But the chance of an invite is less than 0% unless that conference gets truly desperate.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 17, 2012 13:26:48 GMT -5
I know that many people here would probably scoff at this, but if Georgetown ever has a chance to join the ACC, they should do it immediately. I don't expect Georgetown to ever have such an opportunity (why would the ACC ever take on a non-football school), however, so we're talking in hypothetical terms only. There's only one other league Georgetown would consider joining, and it's not looking to expand. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, of course.
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Post by IDenj on May 17, 2012 19:45:04 GMT -5
Would the ACC look at strengthening its basketball side by adding a a few non football schools? Who else would be a candidate? And wouldn't Maryland want no part of this??
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Post by jgalt on May 17, 2012 20:02:25 GMT -5
Would the ACC look at strengthening its basketball side by adding a a few non football schools? Who else would be a candidate? And wouldn't Maryland want no part of this?? ACC basketball is Duke and UNC, so no they would not want that. I think Pitt and Cuse got in only because they are large schools with adequate football teams (meaning better than Duke or Wake), that can get tickets sold to both events. All of us should be hoping that the new CFB playoff is not determined by Conference champs because that will be one step closer to detaching FB conferences from every other sport; which, in the long term, is the best for Gtown
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Post by fsohoya on May 18, 2012 9:43:20 GMT -5
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Post by calhoya on May 18, 2012 10:00:47 GMT -5
From a football perspective the strength of the ACC is Miami, Va Tech, Florida State and Clemson. The loss of 2-3 of those teams would leave the ACC as a fairly weak football conference, notwithstanding the addition of "powerhouse" programs like Syracuse. I would still worry, however, that the next stop for the ACC would be to court Notre Dame, Louisville and UConn or Rutgers. At that point the BE is back on the brink.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on May 18, 2012 10:30:08 GMT -5
IMO the only program that the ACC would possibly consider as a BB only member is Notre Dame. IMO if any schools would leave for other conferences, and that I doubt, it would be bad news for the Big East. Goodbye Rutgers and UConn! It is my opinion that the ACC and it appears the A10 are more proactive than the BE.
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