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Post by sleepy on Feb 5, 2013 12:54:49 GMT -5
But how could we let them take a walk? Our survival is intrinsincly linked to our continuing the rivalry with them. So what if they don't play us at home, it's also about the national exposure and staying relevant in the media!
Look, if maintaining the rivalry was as important as some want to argue, it wouldn't matter that much where we played them. People want to see the game continue and are creating doomsday scenarios of what would happen if we don't. The truth is we can create a marquee home schedule without Syracuse. A nice out of conference schedule is important for the short term, long term though we have to develop and maintain rivalrys with our current conference and get interest in those games. That is far more important that maintaining a dying rivalry with Syracuse.
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Post by IDenj on Feb 5, 2013 12:59:51 GMT -5
But how could we let them take a walk? Our survival is intrinsincly linked to our continuing the rivalry with them. So what if they don't play us at home, it's also about the national exposure and staying relevant in the media! Look, if maintaining the rivalry was as important as some want to argue, it wouldn't matter that much where we played them. People want to see the game continue and are creating doomsday scenarios of what would happen if we don't. The truth is we can create a marquee home schedule without Syracuse. A nice out of conference schedule is important for the short term, long term though we have to develop and maintain rivalrys with our current conference and get interest in those games. That is far more important that maintaining a dying rivalry with Syracuse. This.
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Post by thebin on Feb 5, 2013 13:13:01 GMT -5
But how could we let them take a walk? Our survival is intrinsincly linked to our continuing the rivalry with them. So what if they don't play us at home, it's also about the national exposure and staying relevant in the media! Look, if maintaining the rivalry was as important as some want to argue, it wouldn't matter that much where we played them. People want to see the game continue and are creating doomsday scenarios of what would happen if we don't. The truth is we can create a marquee home schedule without Syracuse. A nice out of conference schedule is important for the short term, long term though we have to develop and maintain rivalrys with our current conference and get interest in those games. That is far more important that maintaining a dying rivalry with Syracuse. This. Right.... "This." If you are unable to comprehend a modicum of nuance. I understand it must be very difficult for you to discern any difference at all between "lets not kill off a good thing presuming reasonable/sane home and home scheduling" and "we must schedule them no matter what even if every game is a home game for Cuse." Tough for you guys to see that nuanced middle ground I guess between those two nearly identical positions. Yeah....you guys are not being emotional and immature about this issue. Not at all.
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Post by IDenj on Feb 5, 2013 13:27:38 GMT -5
Right.... "This." If you are unable to comprehend a modicum of nuance. I understand it must be very difficult for you to discern any difference at all between "lets not kill off a good thing presuming reasonable/sane home and home scheduling" and "we must schedule them no matter what even if every game is a home game for Cuse." Tough for you guys to see that nuanced middle ground I guess between those two nearly identical positions. Yeah....you guys are not being emotional and immature about this issue. Not at all. Not this.
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Post by guru on Feb 5, 2013 13:31:43 GMT -5
Right.... "This." If you are unable to comprehend a modicum of nuance. I understand it must be very difficult for you to discern any difference at all between "lets not kill off a good thing presuming reasonable/sane home and home scheduling" and "we must schedule them no matter what even if every game is a home game for Cuse." Tough for you guys to see that nuanced middle ground I guess between those two nearly identical positions. Yeah....you guys are not being emotional and immature about this issue. Not at all. Not this. Now you're just provoking... www.gifmania.co.uk/Looney-Tunes/Tasmanian-Devil/cart004.gif
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 5, 2013 13:35:17 GMT -5
There is a difference between saying, "Screw Syracuse, we don't need them, the rivalry is meaningless," and instead simply agreeing to play them at all costs. This really boils down to a few basic facts:
(1) Our new conference will be weaker. (2) Our new conference will not draw home attendance. (3) Our new conference will likely have less national exposure even if we get paid more than what we get now. I know it's en vogue to rip on ESPN, but the fact is ESPN is much higher in notoriety than a Fox Sports network that doesn't even exist yet. (4) Our out of conference schedule becomes more important. (5) Making an effort to draw fans to home games is important, because the conference schedule alone will not cut it.
My entire argument has been partially premised on the fact that the reason why the Syracuse rivalry makes good business sense is because it puts people in seats and it helps to sell season tickets. Clearly, if we just agreed to play at the Carrier Dome or Madison Square Garden, these benefits disappear.
Thus, it is completely logical to say that we should try to maintain the rivalry if they agree to a home-and-home, but to let them walk if they won't come to DC.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 5, 2013 13:45:53 GMT -5
Right.... "This." If you are unable to comprehend a modicum of nuance. I understand it must be very difficult for you to discern any difference at all between "lets not kill off a good thing presuming reasonable/sane home and home scheduling" and "we must schedule them no matter what even if every game is a home game for Cuse." Tough for you guys to see that nuanced middle ground I guess between those two nearly identical positions. Yeah....you guys are not being emotional and immature about this issue. Not at all. Except my point, as I've stated numerous times, isn't to not play Syracuse. I'd actually rather see them on the schedule for a home in home, especially if we can get the game scheduled in Jan/Feb somehow. I just don't think it is important to the strength of the program either way. My frustration comes when people act it is some necessity going forward to play them, which makes us sound like some pathetic mid-major. Playing them isn't going to hurt us, but not playing them isn't going to hurt us either. Life will go on, pretty much unaffected, either way.
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 5, 2013 13:50:30 GMT -5
Right.... "This." If you are unable to comprehend a modicum of nuance. I understand it must be very difficult for you to discern any difference at all between "lets not kill off a good thing presuming reasonable/sane home and home scheduling" and "we must schedule them no matter what even if every game is a home game for Cuse." Tough for you guys to see that nuanced middle ground I guess between those two nearly identical positions. Yeah....you guys are not being emotional and immature about this issue. Not at all. And let's ignore the fact that you can't see the middle ground between we don't "need" to play them and we "must" play them. If the series continues home-and-home that is fine, but let's not act like we need this so badly. Cuse wants this because they want to play in the DC area. Georgetown would want this for a solid OOC game that would get national exposure. How do you know that an OOC game that included a market like Southern California, Arizona, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc. doesn't do the same thing (or better) for the team for national exposure, SOS, TV ratings, recruiting, and selling tickets? I get the knock on some people for thinking about this emotionally, but I don't think it is a slam dunk from a dollars perspective. Again, I'm not against setting up a series, but I'm not of the mind set that we have no alternatives and must do it.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 5, 2013 13:58:40 GMT -5
One other pro of the DC market is many universities have strong alumni bases in the area just like NYC. Cuse isn't the only one that can help fill the 400's as Louisville, Duke, Illinois and others have shown.
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 5, 2013 14:37:20 GMT -5
When we played Illinois, they were the #1 team in the country, or certainly in the top 5. No way a game against Illinois fills it up now. Duke is a draw anywhere, but alas, they too only have so many slots on their OOC schedule. Ville is a decent draw, but even on a Saturday afternoon when they were ranked in the top 5, the Verizon Center was not sold out. Syracuse, even if they are outside of the top 10 and playing on a Wednesday, will sell out the Verizon Center. Its not just that they have a big local alumni presence. It is because its a rivalry. Which still seems to me to be worth preserving. But agree with some other posters, it has to be a home and home. We gain nothing from a "neutral site" game in NYC.
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Post by JWallsTreBalls on Feb 5, 2013 14:47:11 GMT -5
When we played Illinois, they were the #1 team in the country, or certainly in the top 5. No way a game against Illinois fills it up now. I was the Illinois@Twerps game last year and no one was there really.
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Post by Boz on Feb 5, 2013 14:49:34 GMT -5
I like that people think Syracuse is going to agree to an OOC home and home with us.
We know who their coach is, right?
Yeah, you can color me highly skeptical.
Maybe when the Mike Hopkins Era begins, we can think about it.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 5, 2013 14:50:45 GMT -5
When we played Illinois, they were the #1 team in the country, or certainly in the top 5. No way a game against Illinois fills it up now. I was the Illinois@Twerps game last year and no one was there really. Illinois was #1 at the time, and the game drew just over 12K. www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/120904aaa.htmlDifferent time, different era for Georgetown though.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 5, 2013 14:54:28 GMT -5
When we played Illinois, they were the #1 team in the country, or certainly in the top 5. No way a game against Illinois fills it up now. Duke is a draw anywhere, but alas, they too only have so many slots on their OOC schedule. Ville is a decent draw, but even on a Saturday afternoon when they were ranked in the top 5, the Verizon Center was not sold out. Syracuse, even if they are outside of the top 10 and playing on a Wednesday, will sell out the Verizon Center. Its not just that they have a big local alumni presence. It is because its a rivalry. Which still seems to me to be worth preserving. But agree with some other posters, it has to be a home and home. We gain nothing from a "neutral site" game in NYC. I think he was using Illinois to illustrate a point that playing strong teams can fill up Verizon pretty easilybecause a lot of schools have big alumni bases in teh area. I don't think he was saying we need to set up a home and home with Illinois.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Feb 5, 2013 15:14:19 GMT -5
Syracuse is the number one rival that Georgetown will have that will not be in the Catholic 7. If they would play us in a true home and home, that would be terrific for Georgetown.
The logic against it is a bit conflicting. Some folks are saying it is no longer a rivalry or a dying rivalry. That is not borne out by facts like attendance and profile of the match up. Some folks want to take some sort of revenge on them by not letting them have the honor of playing us in DC. A game that allows another big time power to come to DC just trades allows that other school the access, without the upside for GU of an exciting rivalry match up.
Who knows if they would play us. But I am all for scheduling Syracuse - or UConn for that matter - in a home and home to juice up our out of conference schedule and our national profile.
Duke would be a great home and home - but being some "wanne be" Duke rival is sort of pathetic - it would be a good game, but their rivals are down the road at UNC. We saw this year what it is like to play big time programs like Texas and Tennessee when they aren't having great years - it's not particularly compelling. Again, worth pursuing in those cases but not as interesting as Syracuse.
Be a shame to drop Cuse if the option is out there.
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 5, 2013 16:29:49 GMT -5
I think he was using Illinois to illustrate a point that playing strong teams can fill up Verizon pretty easilybecause a lot of schools have big alumni bases in teh area. I don't think he was saying we need to set up a home and home with Illinois. And the point I was trying to make is that simply scheduling a brand name or a team en vogue is not the same as keeping a big time rivalry on the schedule that will draw no matter the relative strengths of the two teams. Georgetown-Syracuse has value that no other game at Verizon Center could ever have.
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 5, 2013 16:37:18 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 5, 2013 16:48:40 GMT -5
I think he was using Illinois to illustrate a point that playing strong teams can fill up Verizon pretty easilybecause a lot of schools have big alumni bases in teh area. I don't think he was saying we need to set up a home and home with Illinois. And the point I was trying to make is that simply scheduling a brand name or a team en vogue is not the same as keeping a big time rivalry on the schedule that will draw no matter the relative strengths of the two teams. Georgetown-Syracuse has value that no other game at Verizon Center could ever have. You hit the nail on the head. Not to mention that if there's a time where the Hoyas are not a top team, the ability to get the likes of Duke, etc., to come to DC will be pretty limited.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 5, 2013 17:06:46 GMT -5
That IMPORTANT BIG 12 RIVALRY Texas-WVU game drew great (4966) in farmville last night: the upper decks were strewn with empty seatbacks masquerading at Mountaineer fanatics.
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Post by Eurostar on Feb 5, 2013 17:30:37 GMT -5
No home and home with Duke - we can never get a fair game at their place.
We should obviously continue to play rivals like Syracuse, UConn, Pitt as much as possible.
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